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Another day in Texas.

BufordBuford Senior MemberCA. Beach citiesPosts: 6,722 Senior Member

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Waco sure attracts the Whackos don't it. Biker gangs having a meeting at a Twin Peaks restaurant didn't turn out so well.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    So far, it looks like nobody's civil rights were violated, and no 'innocent' victims were killed. Isn't that supposed to be what we all want?

    Maybe or maybe not, but this is what it looks like, sometimes, when police wait until a law is broken to act. When the media circus subsides, I reckon we will find out who is to blame. For now, it seems like a pretty good result, under the circumstances.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    One thing about it, there don't seem to be any innocent victims killed or wounded here. They are all gang members. Now that can't be a totally bad thing.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    One thing about it, there don't seem to be any innocent victims killed or wounded here. They are all gang members. Now that can't be a totally bad thing.

    Agreed. Biker gangs shoot it out now and then, and sometimes innocents get killed too. Thankfully the cops put the hammer down on this and apparently they did some of the "compulsory retirement" of gang members.

    Good results all round. I read somewhere that the restaurant owner welcomed the gangs to rally there. He needs to be shut down asap. Let 'em fight out in the roadside or wherever, not where civilians might be. It was just sheer luck that nobody innocent got hurt.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,291 Senior Member
    "That was fast"
    "Everybody could shoot...."
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Cops around Tennessee call those situations "public service murder" where scumbags shoot each other. Lots more economical than trials, jail terms, parole- - - - -"rinse and repeat"!
    Jerry
  • BufordBuford Senior Member CA. Beach citiesPosts: 6,722 Senior Member
    They need to do this public service in a more remote location. I can't believe no innocents got caught up in this.

    The violence erupted shortly after noon local time at a busy shopping center along Interstate 35 that was full of people, including families marking Baylor University's graduation this weekend.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    And not to be outdone, over this same weekend, 49 people were shot in Chicago.

    Anything can happen anywhere, and next time, the bad guys might not be so careful of the good guys in the immediate vicinity. It is appropriate to carry a concealed weapon anywhere you are likely to come into the presence of any other person. Rule #1 - Have a gun. Everywhere, every time.
  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member North Georgia MountainsPosts: 648 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Cops around Tennessee call those situations "public service murder" where scumbags shoot each other. Lots more economical than trials, jail terms, parole- - - - -"rinse and repeat"!
    Jerry

    Was that a joke? Hope so.

    Maybe the U.S. Government will be able to hire these biker gangs to help us eliminate ISIS when they invade!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Some local news videos, sounds like the Sheriff (let the videos run) is ready for any more trouble in Waco.

    http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html
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  • EliEli Senior Member Attalla, Alabama.Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    "That was fast"
    "Everybody could shoot...."

    :tooth:

    Wonder if anyone got taken off of their "horse" with a double barrel 8 gauge?
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Chicago beat Waco this past weekend. 49 people in Chicago were shot between Friday night and early Monday morning. The total shot in Chicago this year now stands at 627. That city needs to change its name from 'The Windy City' to something like 'Bullets Fill the Air City'.
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  • timctimc Senior Member TexasPosts: 6,684 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Chicago beat Waco this past weekend. 49 people in Chicago were shot between Friday night and early Monday morning. The total shot in Chicago this year now stands at 627. That city needs to change its name from 'The Windy City' to something like 'Bullets Fill the Air City'.

    That's all just Left wing propaganda; nobody in Chicago has guns, I know because its a law!
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    They sure arrested a butt-load of Bikers, but I'm wondering how so many (170?) can be charged with Capital Murder, gonna be hard to make all that stick unless they get evidence and some talking, which ain't likely unless they are facing the death penalty/life????

    Some of the dead were shot by cops, 4 or more the news is saying.
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Somewhere north of MozambiquePosts: 6,637 Senior Member
    #bikergangslivesmatter
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  • EliEli Senior Member Attalla, Alabama.Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    They sure arrested a butt-load of Bikers, but I'm wondering how so many (170?) can be charged with Capital Murder, gonna be hard to make all that stick unless they get evidence and some talking, which ain't likely unless they are facing the death penalty/life????

    Some of the dead were shot by cops, 4 or more the news is saying.


    Don't know about Texas, but many states have in place a law in which if anyone dies during the commission of a felony, everyone committing a crime is charged with "felony murder".

    Most of the time if you read about someone that has been charged with felony murder (as opposed to just regular murder), it's because they were with some buddies robbing houses or stores, the homeowner or store owner killed one of the thugs, and the other thugs are charged with the "felony murder" of their buddy.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I know like the Getaway Driver/ Wheel-man in a bank robbery where he waits outside and his buds kill someone inside during the stickup, but 170 bikers...............how could they all of known murders might occur at what was a turf conference/who could wear the Texas Rocker under their colors?

    I don't pretend to understand the organization of MCs and how they work and think, but some former members of those clubs and others have come on TV trying to explain the way they work.

    The Bandidos were formed by a Vietnam Vet and dock worker in the 60s and the yellow and red on their colors is homage to the USMC they said on TV ...................

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/The-Bandidos-motorcycle-gang-roots-run-deep-in-6270946.php

    Some of the TV footage showed some colors saying Veterans and Bell County (Fort Hood area) on the Rocker at the bottom. I saw quite a few bikers in that area while I was out there.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Somewhere north of MozambiquePosts: 6,637 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    You win the Internet.


    Don't want it. Take it back!
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Banditos and even the Hell's Angels were formed by former vets who still had the wanderlust. But the fun aspects of these "2%" clubs (2 percent of motorcycle riders are "bikers") soon left the organization, as leaders like Sonny Barger and others took their clubs into causal crime (smoking weed) and then to a highly organized network of dope dealers -- meth mostly -- and serious crimes, extortion and similar.

    There are of course many peaceful and law abiding biker Harley-riding (mostly) groups. I used to go on rides with one of these "non-gang" gangs in the Bay Area and later, El Paso. These were just a bunch of guys (and some gals) who loved bikes and rode all the time. Their "colors" were not-threatening and they just hung out and played pool and drank beer. And teased me for riding a "ricer" until they took a spin on it and found they could easily hit 90 in 3rd gear, 3 more gears to go. I'd be playing pool and they'd tell me "Sam, your bike has a leak -- better check it out" and I go out to the lot and they'd have dribbled a scoop of white rice under the **** hump. Jokes like that.

    But the Banditos are genuine thugs. Similarly the other gangs involved in the riot.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,291 Senior Member
    N320AW wrote: »
    Was that a joke? Hope so.

    The concept of "public service homicide" has been known and understood for decades. Nothing handier than a local scumbag taking out another local scumbag....no fuss...no muss...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,291 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Banditos and even the Hell's Angels were formed by former vets who still had the wanderlust. But the fun aspects of these "2%" clubs (2 percent of motorcycle riders are "bikers") soon left the organization, as leaders like Sonny Barger and others took their clubs into causal crime (smoking weed) and then to a highly organized network of dope dealers -- meth mostly -- and serious crimes, extortion and similar.

    Small correction Sam....they are 1% ers
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Agreed. Biker gangs shoot it out now and then, and sometimes innocents get killed too. Thankfully the cops put the hammer down on this and apparently they did some of the "compulsory retirement" of gang members.

    Good results all round. I read somewhere that the restaurant owner welcomed the gangs to rally there. He needs to be shut down asap. Let 'em fight out in the roadside or wherever, not where civilians might be. It was just sheer luck that nobody innocent got hurt.

    I think you're right Sam, and so did Twin Peaks management. They pulled the franchise. Twin Peaks management were NOT happy.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Eli wrote: »
    Don't know about Texas, but many states have in place a law in which if anyone dies during the commission of a felony, everyone committing a crime is charged with "felony murder".

    Most of the time if you read about someone that has been charged with felony murder (as opposed to just regular murder), it's because they were with some buddies robbing houses or stores, the homeowner or store owner killed one of the thugs, and the other thugs are charged with the "felony murder" of their buddy.
    Learn somethin' new every day. All this time I thought all murders were felony's. How can you have a misdemeanor murder?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Small correction Sam....they are 1% ers

    Thanks. I was just culling that up from my distant memory banks.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Learn somethin' new every day. All this time I thought all murders were felony's. How can you have a misdemeanor murder?

    Eli is right about the terminology, but that terminology is misleading. Yes if someone dies during commission of a crime (say, heart attack) then that is termed "felony murder" and same here in Texas.

    As you know, not all deaths are murders (felonies). If you deliberately cause someone's death, it's technically a "homicide" even if it's a legit self defense shooting and no charges are filed. The term "homicide" means the intentional taking of a human life, regardless of the circumstances. There is of course "justifiable homicide" which is what a "good" SD shoot would be labeled. If however it's determined that the killing was not justified or was a crime (holdup, mugging, etc) then it's now "murder" which is the unjustified taking of a life.

    But regardless of the term being confusing, "felony murder" is the term often used. That might have now changed since I did my research on the lingo, however (I studied criminal terminology for my mystery novels).
  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    Banditos vs Cossacks biker gangs. Cossacks are supposedly aligning with the Hells Angels in an effort to take over in Texas and the Banditos are defending their territory. Many will be charged with RICO violations if not capital murder. Good thing no bystanders were hurt. This ain't over.
  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    Wish I knew how many of the dead were from either gang.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,313 Senior Member
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