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breamfisher wrote: »
And you don't answer my questions...
1. Is there a better use for the money?
2. Where will the money come from?
3. Is the equipment really needed?
As taxpayers, we deserve those answers. Don't deflect with talking about fire departments and trying to throw in the cost of patrol vehicles... they're immaterial to the discussion. Their maintenance and replacement should be figured into the annual budget, barring catastrophic event. Instead for new equipment that can be a potential money sink, those expenditures need to be justified and explained.
tennmike wrote: »
Generally speaking about MRAPs in a general sort of way. They are pretty worthless as a SWAT vehicle. They have a huge amount of ground clearance.
1. High ground clearance makes them worthless to try to hide behind; you're exposing everything from the belly button down, and more, depending on officer height, to 'hostile fire' standing on the opposite side of one. Bullet resistant vests don't protect the 'giblets' or the legs.
2. Anyone riding in the back has to negotiate steps to get down out of that high box in back. More exposure, and you're coming down facing the ladder to prevent doing a face plant in the pavement if you trip.
3. They are seriously at a disadvantage on soft soil. FL has a lot of soft sand masquerading as soil making them useless off the pavement.
4. They make a nice armored command post vehicle for radio and other communication, but don't really have much more purpose due to the above glaring deficiencies. Unless you're planning on rolling through one of those houses built on a concrete slab in FL to flush out the armed and barricaded individual. In that capacity, they might work O.K.
5. They are just as susceptible to Molotov cocktails as most any other wheeled vehicle during a riot. Once the tires are on fire, their usefulness will soon be limited as they start running on the wheels when the tires part company.
Military Police use the Dragon 4X4 vehicle to some extent. It is superior to the MRAP in all but personnel capacity. But, whatever.
JasonMPD wrote: »
Do ALL agencies need these things? No.
Do SOME agencies need them? Yes.
Are they an ideal vehicle? No.
Are there better vehicles out there? Yes.
And I am bias to my profession. I want the best tools possible available to my brothers and sisters so I don't have to attend anymore funerals. If that best available tool for an agency who can't really afford the up-front cost of specialized armored vehicles is a demilitarized vehicle, so be it.
breamfisher wrote: »
Do you realize this is what I've been advocating all along? All of it.
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