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NJ fifth-grader suspended for bringing a foam 'bullet' to school, says mom

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,995 Senior Member
This is where Fat Boy could step in and earn some points with gun owners and put a stop to this stupidity in his state.........I wouldn't move to NJ if my life depended on it.


I guess they were worried about all the Nerf murders lately :angry::cuss::cuss:


NJ fifth-grader suspended for bringing a foam 'bullet' to school, says mom

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/19/new-jersey-child-suspended-from-school-for-foam-toy-bullet-in-pocket/?intcmp=latestnews
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Nerf with a toothpick ... I remember pulling the erasers out of pencils, sticking a pin through it to make blow darts and drilling them into the ceiling in the lunchroom using drink straws ... and that was not even bad compared to some things we use to pull in school. Man, I'd have never made it through school today without being label a future serial killer type.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,981 Senior Member
    Once again...

    "In the first place, God created idiots. That was for practice. Then He created school boards." --Mark Twain

    ... and by inference, school administrations in general.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Once again...

    "In the first place, God created idiots. That was for practice. Then He created school boards." --Mark Twain

    ... and by inference, school administrations in general.

    I am so glad I don't have to deal with schools and their stupidity anymore, common sense evades these ****................glad the kid didn't bring a slingshot to school................. he would have been arrested for being a terrorist with a projectile launcher.

    They need a good ole fashioned country butt whupping to knock some sense into them. These idiotic "Zero Tolerance Rules" haven't stopped one school mass shooting and give the schools something to cite and hide behind when parents get outraged by their decisions.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    You'd think their NERF Governor night step in? Naaah. Must be out for a cheese burger. :nono: Later,
    Fat Billy

    Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
  • GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior Member Posts: 1,095 Senior Member
    It's New Jersey, for cripe's sake. Up until a just few days ago, having sex with barnyard animals was still legal. But pumping your own gas isn't.
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    GunnerK19 wrote: »
    It's New Jersey, for cripe's sake. Up until a just few days ago, having sex with barnyard animals was still legal. But pumping your own gas isn't.


    So, after a long weekend you wanted to be able to pump your own gas before heading home? :tooth:


    If this was approached with any sort of common sense, the dart is taken away from the student and (maybe) is sent home with a note or (more likely) just thrown away. I see in the story the kid has had issues in the past, mebbe this is just an excuse to go after him?
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    Definitely possible. At the same time, bad apples used to be expelled all the time. These days, about the only thing that actually gets somebody expelled is 'hate crime' stuff, (calling somebody a name) or actual violence, like bringing a foam dart to school (sic)...unless you have a good reason, like you're poor or otherwise 'disadvantaged'. If you've got a kid in class that is merely a constant behavior problem (and this almost always negatively affects other kids)...not so much. A situation like that may have folks looking for creative solutions. Sayin'

    I'll stand right there with anybody against stupidity and argue louder than most over same. Something about this one tells me the reporter has glossed over some things. Maybe my meter is a little twitchy, but I think there is more than meets the eye here...just a hunch, but it's all mine!:jester:
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
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  • NJSOGNJSOG Member Posts: 101 Member
    Just to add gasoline to the fire. Slingshots are also illegal in my state. Yeah you can buy one just don't take it out side of your house ! Welcome to the Socialist Peoples Republic of New Jersey.


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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,981 Senior Member
    Who's that that says "PC" is like trying to pick up the clean end of a turd...

    You know this kind of BS has gotten way out of hand when the Liberals I know are also complaining about it. Of course, its Bush's fault...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Hey, we've only heard PART of one of the 3 sides, so who knows, you could be dead nutz right :uhm:


    Or, just plain nutz! :silly:
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,135 Senior Member
    You guys are being too nice. It is not just nutz, it is plain ol STUPID.
    Over a piece of foam with a piece of toothpick in it, this thing has taken up how much time ? The child has missed class time, administrators that make ? how much an house have taken up who knows how many hours from their normal duties, heck it has even made the news. People all over the country are laughing at this situation and it nothing but a show of STUPIDITY. Things like this must stop. The clown currently in the Oval Office should sign an executive order saying so.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    You guys are being too nice. It is not just nutz, it is plain ol STUPID.
    Over a piece of foam with a piece of toothpick in it, this thing has taken up how much time ? The child has missed class time, administrators that make ? how much an house have taken up who knows how many hours from their normal duties, heck it has even made the news. People all over the country are laughing at this situation and it nothing but a show of STUPIDITY. Things like this must stop. The clown currently in the Oval Office should sign an executive order saying so.

    He has no legal say over this, other than to appoint a 'School Czar' and declare them to be Omni jurisdictional or 'uniter annointed' or some such. The way most administrators lean, he'd probably be able to just convince them it's silly...but who's going to convince him?
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,135 Senior Member
    just being facetious. I know he has no say in this matter and would think that it is wonderful that a child is told that bullets real or fake are bad.

    The point is that such stupid things are taking up so much time that good things like a kid learning in school are forgotten for an agenda.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    This rates up there with the wisdom they used on an airline a few years ago when they made a ruckus over a little boy bringing his GI Joe on the plane...........hell what a threat, could have hijacked the aircraft with it in their simple minds!

    What is lacking is CFS...................Common Frigging Sense!
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Back when I was in grade school we all carried pocket knives, and brought our cap guns to school to play cops 'n' robbers, or cowboys 'n' Indians during recess. We made some wicked pop guns out of a piece of small bore cane pole with a dogwood push rod; them things with a dogwood berries for ammo would put a hurtin' on ya, and loaded with paper wads were still right nasty as to hurtin' when hit. With a few exceptions, most of the kids I went to school with turned out pretty good. Just look at what a good example I am! :rotflmao:

    Zero tolerance, and teachers unable to discipline troublemakers (spank their butts), and parents that don't teach their little hellions how to act are three of the major problems in schools. There's a lot more problems, but those three are glaring standouts, IMHO.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Had a teacher on the news (Substitute?) took off his belt and commenced to whupping some butt in a school yesterday...............they deserved it too!

    I like it!

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/substitute-teacher-takes-belt-rowdy-students-31171475
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,981 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Zero tolerance, and teachers unable to discipline troublemakers (spank their butts), and parents that don't teach their little hellions how to act are three of the major problems in schools. There's a lot more problems, but those three are glaring standouts, IMHO.
    :that::agree::applause:
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,910 Senior Member
    Suspended over a foam bullet? No wonder children don't learn anything...teachers are too busy imposing stupidity on students.
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    Suspended over a foam bullet? No wonder children don't learn anything...teachers are too busy imposing stupidity on students.


    Many teachers go along willingly, but most are just completely hamstrung by their administrations and school boards. The folks you and I keep voting in. Repeatedly.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,910 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    Many teachers go along willingly, but most are just completely hamstrung by their administrations and school boards. The folks you and I keep voting in. Repeatedly.
    I actually took the time to research judges and school board members last time around. Information is not generally out there but there are some sources on the internet.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    I would say that a goodly portion of us here, do...sadly, I believe most people do not.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Suspended over a foam bullet? No wonder children don't learn anything...teachers are too busy imposing stupidity on students.
    In this day and age yep ... what happened to the good ones like my Junior High Shop teacher who showed me how a grill igniter made a better trigger on my Tater Gun, starter fluid makes a better propellant (and huge flash) and sharpening the muzzle end of its barrel makes it easier to load the tater.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,910 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Nope. That teacher would get an ass Beating if they did that to my kid. I am 100% against spanking kids at school. I'll spank my kid if that's what needs to happen. But the teacher or principal doing it? Nope. That will end in me owning a good portion of the school after I win the lawsuit, or the teacher or principal getting a black eye and fat lip.

    Back when I was in grammar school, corporal punishment was not only legal but not protested by parents. I'm talking about the 50's before lawsuits started for stuff like that.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    Coach Hunter drilled big holes in his paddle so it wasn't slowed by aero during swing. When very bad at home dad used a belt. Never went to prison. I'm ok with results. Now days the kids won't get spanked until they get to prison. Remember the song " The times they are a changing"? :banned: Later,
    Fat Billy

    Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    Ok boys and girls I figured out a simple solution. Colorado entered the U.S. As a state in 1876. New Jersey entered in 1776. Now Colorado has been messed up but not as bad a New Jersey. My opinion is that it is simply because our legislators have had a century less to work. Give them time. They'll get there.
    Now with regard to the student. Common sense just isn't that common any more. Particularly in public school. Maybe Limbaugh is right when he calls it "screwel."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,981 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    administrations and school boards.
    You mean those do nothing people drawing down a 6 figure salary?
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    When paddling students went out of vogue, nothing was put in place to replace it regarding discipline. I have a solution.

    Parents will be called and have 30 minutes to show up and take charge of their child's discipline. Failure to comply with the 30 minute time frame will then require the child be picked up by appropriate authorities and taken to whatever juvenile facility is available. Then the parent(s) can deal with them. That would at least bring calm to the classroom so that the non disruptive students can do what they are there for, LEARN.

    The principle is simple; don't want the school to discipline your kids, then you will be required to do it yourself or deal with the consequences. Puts the responsibility back on the parents to discipline their kids, where it belongs.
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    I don't know about the exact mechanism, but you're hitting the nail on the head Mike. Making a child's misbehavior 'painful' for the parents will do a few things: First, parents will take a more 'active' interest in their kids' actions. Since being disinterested is unpleasant, becoming more involved will be the order of the day. Second, Kids will lose an important ally in their war of indifference. With parents no longer willing to sit back spectate-and even less willing to assist-kids won't be able to face society alongside their parents in a unified front. Third, as kids see their parents actually taking an interest in something other than what is happening on the idiot box, they will begin to have one of their own. Apathy breeds apathy, care and concern breed care and concern.

    These things won't be easy, and they can't happen overnight, but the have to start happening soon. It took us 50+ years to get to this point, it'll probably take even more than that to get back.

    I think the first place to start is the pocketbook. If were going to rewarding people for spawning, we should at least attach the flow from the money spigot to the kids' (and maybe the parents' too?) performance in school. You get the full amount for A and B grades, correspondingly less amounts for lesser grades. In the short run this will likely mean we're building smarter social sponges, but eventually the smart ones realize there is a better way. Cap entitlements so that having more kids becomes much less attractive. The cap should be low enough that living as an entitled pauper is to be avoided. When staying at home pays close to or more than any job the average stay-at-home sloth could get, there really isn't any reason to leave the house. That being the case, attach those entitlements to a job. Any job. If we're already paying them, why not expect something in return? Pick up trash on the side of the road. Sweep floors down at City Hall. Maybe even make it so that small business owners could benefit from some of that labor. The list is virtually endless. When getting a check means going out and performing, the attraction of getting a better check will lure folks away from the trough.

    Do the same for school systems. Make it painful to have a graduating class in which less than 50% of students actually matriculate. After a period of time, raise the 'acceptable' number and keep doing so until the system is actually passing an acceptable number of students. This will be easier for some schools and nigh impossible for others, so allowances will have to be made. Temporary allowances. Instead of school systems being a jobs program for administrators (Dance of the Lemons, anyone?) where a failing admin is 'let go' from one failing school only to land at another with resultant six-figure salary, perks and bonuses, we should have a system where those that fail-repeatedly-are fired with extreme prejudice. Those firings should be messy, ugly and very, very public. No more golden parachutes.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,981 Senior Member
    Tim, I'm totally with you - but it ain't gonna happen...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior Member Posts: 1,095 Senior Member
    Back when I was in grammar school, corporal punishment was not only legal but not protested by parents.

    I know that guy, he was an Aide to major malfunction, under the command of general mayhem... :usa:
    I'm a Conservative. How conservative? Only Alex P. Keaton has me beat.

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