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Please don't ever tell me "we have to vote Republican" ever again.

tubabucknuttubabucknut BannedPosts: 3,520 Senior Member
Once again the Republicans you elected are pushing Obama's agenda.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/245827-senate-advances-fast-track-trade-bill-for-obama

So when is this majority going to do anything to oppose Obama.

I am waiting for the repeal of Obama care.
I am waiting for repeal of Common Core.
When is a balanced budget resolution going to be passed?
When are we going to have real challenges on executive orders?
When are we going to repeal the NDAA?
What good is a Republican majority when they are shilling for the leader of the other party.


No difference whatsoever.
Keep telling yourself it is OK, when the foreign object is inserted, it's ok it has an R in front of it's name.
Please by all means continue to enjoy being screwed.
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Because your gun collection doesn't stand a chance with Hillary, or Bernie, or Mike, or Lincoln. If for any contrived reason you feel you don't have to vote Republican, be sure to send in all your firearms and all ammo with your ballot. Even if, God forbid, the GOP reps and senators were to vote for some new gun control, it would still be a lot less severe than anything the Democrats would approve of.

    Most of what you want done can only be done if the GOP controls both the Congress and the Presidency. Duh. Now that you know that, vote Republican. Thanks.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Congress will only be able to vote yes or no and not offer any amendments to his trade deals. Still can vote them down.

    I didn't like the smell of it from the get go, all that secrecy. Maybe it will actually be beneficial, I guess we will have to wait and see.

    Yes, I will still vote REP over the Pantsuit (probably their gal).
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Because your gun collection doesn't stand a chance with Hillary, or Bernie, or Mike, or Lincoln.
    Interestingly I still have my collection nearly seven years into Obama. It has grown quite nicely over the last seven years. Nice try. Please take your fear tactics somewhere else. If fear of the other guy motivates you to vote for an individual ill equipped for the job, then we have already lost.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,467 Senior Member
    I agree with horselips. You have your guns in spite of Obama, not because of him.

    Vote for whomever you want, just don't bitch when you waste your vote on a nut. And you will.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Interestingly I still have my collection nearly seven years into Obama. It has grown quite nicely over the last seven years.

    That's because the GOP won the House in 2010, and the Senate in 2014. No other reason whatsoever.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,547 Senior Member
    Before a bill can be brought to the floor of the senate for a straight up and down vote, it must pass cloture. Cloture means that the senate has voted to then vote on whether or not a measure passes. While the vote on the measure itself only requires a simple majority (i.e. 51 or more votes) to pass, cloture requires 60 or more votes.

    The senate republicans hold about 55 seats, which means they need at least 5 democrats to cross the aisle to bring a measure to an up or down vote. If that doesn't happen, a measure does not get a vote.

    That's one of the reasons why the senate is not able to completely control legislation.

    And then there's presidential veto. If the president vetoes a bill passed by both houses, both houses can only over-ride the veto with a 2/3 vote. The republicans don't have near that kind of majority in either house and are unable to over-ride a presidential veto without help from democrats.

    But you probably already knew that.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    Before a bill can be brought to the floor of the senate for a straight up and down vote, it must pass cloture. Cloture means that the senate has voted to then vote on whether or not a measure passes. While the vote on the measure itself only requires a simple majority (i.e. 51 or more votes) to pass, cloture requires 60 or more votes.

    The senate republicans hold about 55 seats, which means they need at least 5 democrats to cross the aisle to bring a measure to an up or down vote. If that doesn't happen, a measure does not get a vote.

    That's one of the reasons why the senate is not able to completely control legislation.

    And then there's presidential veto. If the president vetoes a bill passed by both houses, both houses can only over-ride the veto with a 2/3 vote. The republicans don't have near that kind of majority in either house and are unable to over-ride a presidential veto without help from democrats.

    But you probably already knew that.
    Oh I get it. So push the President's agenda instead. But you already knew that. Please don't patronize it is beneath intelligent conversation.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,564 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Prediction:The republicans will do zero, or damn near zero, that they promised they would do. Then next go round, they'll lose seats.
    Any takers?

    Sadly, I'm beginning to suspect this. 6 months into a Republican majority in the senate and all they've done is kissed his ass.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    That's because the GOP won the House in 2010, and the Senate in 2014. No other reason whatsoever.
    No it's not. Obama had neither the will nor the power to do anything whatsoever regarding restricting firearms ownership.

    Gun rights are, for now, an election loser. Anti gun Democrats aren't stupid.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    I'll just leave this right here.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/23/marco-rubio-casts-deciding-vote-for-obamatrade-without-even-reading-it/

    I almost want him to win the nomination, so I can read the contortionist responses as to why he is any better than the other big Gov Co statist on the other ticket.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Congress will only be able to vote yes or no and not offer any amendments to his trade deals. Still can vote them down.

    I didn't like the smell of it from the get go, all that secrecy. Maybe it will actually be beneficial, I guess we will have to wait and see.

    Yes, I will still vote REP over the Pantsuit (probably their gal).

    I'm of mixed feelings about this trade agreement. I sincerely doubt that so many Republicans would vote for it if it were so bad for the country. And realize that other presidents had similar pass/fail fast track authority.

    Oddly, Obama seems to make reasonable decisions on international economic deals -- maybe there's at least one or two smart people in his administration who are providing good advice.

    I kinda think that the trade bill is okay, actually. If you look at all the Republicans in both the House and Senate who supported it, it's very unlikely it's a bad measure. I dunno, could be wrong.
  • Gator MonroeGator Monroe Banned Posts: 655 Senior Member
    RINOs want to surrender totally to teh Messiah (Obama) ,its gonna get ugly when a Democrat POTUS gets three SCOTUS pics within 3 years
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    RINOs want to surrender totally to teh Messiah (Obama) ,its gonna get ugly when a Democrat POTUS gets three SCOTUS pics within 3 years

    The Repunklickan Establishment has no more use for a free middle-class than the Bolsheviks. We truly are one justice away from the end of the Constitution!!!
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 380 Member
    horselips wrote: »
    That's because the GOP won the House in 2010, and the Senate in 2014. No other reason whatsoever.

    That is not because of a gutless GOP.
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    Interestingly I still have my collection nearly seven years into Obama. It has grown quite nicely over the last seven years. Nice try. Please take your fear tactics somewhere else. If fear of the other guy motivates you to vote for an individual ill equipped for the job, then we have already lost.

    That's only because the Republicans control the house, if the Demotards had the house along with the senate we'd all be archery buffs.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,351 Senior Member
    Interestingly I still have my collection nearly seven years into Obama. It has
    grown quite nicely over the last seven years. Nice try. Please take your fear tactics somewhere else. If fear of the other guy motivates you to vote for an individual ill equipped for the job, then we have already lost.

    OK every day you and some others here offer this same advice, don't vote for those evil republicans. But you do not offer any real alternative. It's just exactly like horselips told you. If you expect to keep your firearms and your costitution you have one alternative, and that's vote for the Republican on the ballot. Do you think the rest of us like the choices we have? I mean really, you got it all figured out. Tell us. because I'll tell you what you will end up with if we do as you keep saying. You will have a choice, in that you can turn in your guns or become a criminal and risk being caught with illegal guns. Because if you put another Dummycrap in the White House that's what will happen.

    Again, offer us a real viable alternative where we can keep our guns, our God and our money and I'll stay home myself.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,604 Senior Member
    That's only because the Republicans control the house, if the Demotards had the house along with the senate we'd all be archery buffs.

    So you had to get rid of all your guns in 2008? :uhm:

    I won't make the argument that dems are generally good for the 2a, I think that would be stupid...but they're not ALL 'hand 'em over now' types.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,351 Senior Member
    Also, would you please name the Republicans who are in the race for president who you believe are rinos?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,547 Senior Member
    Oh I get it. So push the President's agenda instead. But you already knew that. Please don't patronize it is beneath intelligent conversation.

    Enlighten me, please. What part of the president's agenda are they pushing? And no, I didn't already know that.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,604 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Also, would you please name the Republicans who are in the race for president who you believe are rinos?


    The only RINOs are the republicans that don't agree with you, right? So, if I'm going to name them, you'll have to tell me first.

    Here's my list of GOP candidates I could vote for right now: Scott Walker

    He's the only one I know enough about at this time to even make that affirmative decision. There are a few others who are 'maybes', among them Cruz and Fiorino. Everybody else is a 'no', and not likely to change. I reserve the right to immediately and permanently change my mind if any of the above either step on their respective cranks or have some sort of epiphany and make an about face. Christie is out. Forever. Bush is circling the drain. If Romney were to decide to run, he would be out before he got started.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Gator MonroeGator Monroe Banned Posts: 655 Senior Member
    Christie (Bad on 2A/RTKBA) Bush (Open Border/Pro illegal Minority) Grahamnesty ( Open Border/ Capitulatory)
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Oh and please don't tell me about Supreme court Justices either.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_SUBSIDIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    Roberts: Bush appointee

    Kennedy: Ford appointee
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    It's not a perfect world (Duh!) and yes, Republican appointees to the courts screw up every now and then. But there is one undeniable, inarguable fact - the conservative-ish judges, including Roberts and Kennedy, have so far been on the side of the RKBA. If you don't think that matters, and YOU DON'T if you argue with voting Republican, just truck your guns and ammo down to your local police department, turn it all in, and stop wasting our time with self-inflating, self-righteous puffery.

    Vote any other way than for every single GOP nominee, and you're asking for it - don't whine when you get it, and lose everything. You'll deserve it.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,531 Senior Member
    Sadly, I'm beginning to suspect this. 6 months into a Republican majority in the senate and all they've done is kissed his ass.

    He offers money and power. The two things any politician can't resist.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,351 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    No it's not. Obama had neither the will nor the power to do anything whatsoever regarding restricting firearms ownership.

    Gun rights are, for now, an election loser. Anti gun Democrats aren't stupid.

    Hey now children, lets stop this bickering. You're both right. Obama didn't have the power because the house and senate went Republican AND because a majority of people want to be able to defend themselves and don't trust the government with their constitutional rights. Obama has about given up on gun control but not all the way. He had to throw a punch when this Roof idiot sicko killed those nine people. He wants gun control so bad he can't help himself. But the fact that he has to fight almost all the Republican law makers and part of the Democrats causes him to give in and just mumble. Mumble is all he can do because he knows it's a dead issue, for his term anyway.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,787 Senior Member
    Oh and please don't tell me about Supreme court Justices either.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_SUBSIDIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    Roberts: Bush appointee

    Kennedy: Ford appointee

    Now, you're just using the liberal/socialist trick of emphasizing the exceptions to 'the norm' and ignoring 'the norm.' You have created a narrative you are going to stick with, no matter what, and are cherry-picking facts to support it. I know of no honest, thinking person who is not disgusted with Roberts over his continuing trend of saving Obamacare. But it is an anomaly, not a trend toward liberalism, itself. This has happened, from time to time, with at least half of all the judges that were nominated for their conservative credentials. In fact, Kennedy has a history of going off the reservation fairly often, on social issues. Roberts apparently believes that Obamacare is bad law, but that it is up to Congress to fix it, and up to the people to elect better law-makers. If not, then maybe universal health care, at any cost, is his Achilles heel, when it comes to strict constructionism.

    Regardless of the reasons, it is a fact that 5 judges have so far prevented the 2A from being shredded, and that they were all Republican appointees. None of them have shown any trend other than to uphold the 2A, as written, whereas all of the Democrat appointees have. If you are at all interested in facts, you cannot deny this, and your "there's no difference" argument fails.
  • Gator MonroeGator Monroe Banned Posts: 655 Senior Member
    Socially Liberal Firearms enthusiasts will be the Death of 2A/RTKBA and they will blame Conservatives every step of the way ...:bang:
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,351 Senior Member
    Interestingly I still have my collection nearly seven years into Obama. It has grown quite nicely over the last seven years. Nice try. Please take your fear tactics somewhere else. If fear of the other guy motivates you to vote for an individual ill equipped for the job, then we have already lost.

    The ONLY reason you still have a gun legally in your possession is because of a very slim majority in the SCOTUS. And what happened this morning should set this right in your face when the SCOTUS narrowly made Gay Marriage the law of the land against a majority of the people's desire.
    One vote turned a long held belief that a marriage is a union between a man and a woman, that sacred belief that has been the law of many lands almost from the beginning of civilization, gone because of ONE VOTE!

    If you stay home or vote for hopeless joe, then this is only the begging. You won't be able to recognize this country in another 5 years. And this is not a fear tactic. I'm only telling you what myself and many here believe. It's common sense. And if we get another total libtard in office, this country may be so far gone we can never turn it around. It may be there now.

    I think you call anybody that doesn't agree with you a RINO. A RINO is somebody like the late Arlen Specter, from Pennsylvania who ended up turning democrat. He truly was "Republican In Name Only!"

    But just because a senator or representative is moderate and sometimes actually sides with the other side doesn't make them a RINO. That happens from time to time. People's beliefs overlap. That doesn't mean they're not Republican. I think we need a change in the Senate Leadership. McConnell has been acting like a shameless RINO. But they all aren't like McConnell. Boehner has actually started acting more conservative lately. He's been fighting Obummer on Obama Care and several other issues.

    Edited to ADD: Having said this, I will say, that I much prefer a true conservative over a moderate. I vote that way in the primary every time. But I do realize that we have to take what we can get and not run in the corner and suck my thumb if I don't get the choice I desire. I take the next best thing. Hey, if you can't afford a Cadillac or a Lincoln, do you walk because you can't get what you want? No, you buy a Chevy or a Ford, or maybe a Buick or a Mercury.

    And I realize no third party candidate has ever come close to winning the presidency. Teddy Roosevelt tried it and he was probably more popular than Ross Perot was. It ain't gonna happen. So I don't waste my vote on somebody that ain't got a prayer. And I will always argue that any republican is way yonder better than ANY Dummycrap.

    Like Chief said, people tried that with Perot and it didn't work. We got Clinton. Also we let McCain lose. Yeah McCain wasn't my favorite. But once he got the nomination I fell in behind him 100%. But too many of you stayed home. AND who did we get? ODUMMER!

    Then it was time for Romney. Everybody saying how liberal he was and not even considering he was a Politician. All of them are POLITICIANS! Can you compare Romney or McCain with Obama's liberalism? Get off the idea that some are your knight in Shining Armor! None of them are. Some seem to be more honorable than others, but the bottom line is that they all will do what they deem necessary to win an election. They justify this by saying they can do nothing for us if they don't get elected.

    And, you don't get to be Governor of Massachusetts by doing your "Ronald Reagan Impersonation." But I believe on a national stage Romney especially would have been a very good president. He is a level headed and somewhat brilliant business man. We would have been way yonder ahead of where we are now with him in office. And while he nor McCain may not have been a real strong proponent of the 2A, I don't think either would have let it be diluted or weakened. In my view, it was a REAL BAD mistake that we didn't support him and get him elected.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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