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Possible new life for 9mm
104RFAST
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http://bearingarms.com/caliber-will-army-choose-xm17-modular-handgun-system/?utm_source=BearingArms1_7&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BearingArms1
Looks like the Military my give the 9mm a second chance or develop a new 9x23 mm round. Gee, if they come out with a 9x23
(38 super) auto I may go broke,know what I mean!!
After posting I googled 9x23, to my surprise,I discover Winchester already manufactures a 9x23 round
that closely matches 357 performance. Aside from the double stack magazine the 9x23 would offer
it seems a 10mm would accomplish the same results
Looks like the Military my give the 9mm a second chance or develop a new 9x23 mm round. Gee, if they come out with a 9x23
(38 super) auto I may go broke,know what I mean!!
After posting I googled 9x23, to my surprise,I discover Winchester already manufactures a 9x23 round
that closely matches 357 performance. Aside from the double stack magazine the 9x23 would offer
it seems a 10mm would accomplish the same results
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Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
@$1.50 a round for SD, looks to me the 10mm is more affordable than I thought.Besides, the pictures of some Pistols make Glock's look slim
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Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_mm_caliber
Winston Churchill
Why?
I always thought, in the military, a pistol is not an assault weapon but a last ditch defence.
If you allow yourself to be in a situation where you are in need of a .38 Super Trooper, you are carrying the wrong bang stick.
Winston Churchill
The whole issue's likely a non-starter. Handguards are a distant secondary feature for most folks, and with lower budgets something like adopting a new rifle will likely take precedence.
And the new rifle's been bandied about for .... how long?
:that:
The .357 sig, much like the .40 S&W, is a very pointless, and stupidly overpressured cartridge. One of the issues with "issuing" it is simply the wear and tear on a gun. The Beretta 92 is built like an absolute tank, every major part of it is over engineered and it is designed to put forth a lifetime of service (with regular maintenance).
However, talk to 100 folks who've carried one into battle and 97 of them will tell you what an old, worn out, piece of $#!+ it is. Cracked frames, failures to eject/extract/feed, magazines that either won't feed ammo, or that jettisoned the floorplate and defecated all the rounds into the dirt, etc...
Adopting a sidearm that runs at a HIGHER pressure than the 9mm is a seriously poor idea.
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
They would go bang and if you did your part, you could qualify. Not tack drivers to be sure.
Personally, I think the 1911 is easier to hold than the M9. I'd like to see an improved model. Of course this would be sacriledge to some, but something like a .400 Corbon. Not a high pressure round. Ton's of velocity and easily swappable to .45acp. A para-ord model LDA.
Winston Churchill
I agree 100%.
I was simply pointing out that the military is a "ride hard and put up wet" industry when it comes to tertiary tools. How many years did it take the low pressure 92s and 1911s to get f.u.b.a.r. vs how long it will take something running a much higher pressure cartridge to get to the same point?
Jerry
From what I understand, it was a case of Navy SEALS using 9mm SMG only ammunition which is much hotter than normal 9mm Para.
Winston Churchill
The answer here is really pretty simple - the 1911 in the original .45 ACP with a 185-ish grain flat-nosed FMJ running at 1100 or so FPS. Tissue disruption is retained by the flat nose, sufficient penetration and Hague compliance is maintained by the FMJ, weapon durability is maintained by the low pressure nature of the .45. Safety and sufficient capacity is maintained simply by not giving pistols to troops that can't shoot one.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Special Opps types probably use what ever pistol/ammo combination they see fit to use. Wouldn't surprise me to find a some 10mm stuff
being used from time to time.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
:agree:
In January 2013 the MoD swapped out our Browning L9A1, which had replaced Inglis variants in the late 1960's, for the Glock 17
Before the Blue on Blue came along in Afghanistan, they did not get used over much.
Besides anecdotal evidence, where is the objective evidence that such a statement is fact ?
Over penetration is over stated, know your target and what is beyond it !
How do You shoot a rifle ?
Any round may or may not over penetrate, depending on your target or if you miss the target completely.
It never came up in the entire time that I was in
Early on, if a bad guy grabbed hold of the pistol, he could push the right buttons and pull the slide forward and disasemble the pistol in one fast movement. I've seen it demonstrated at LE schools. But I think Beretta addressed this a long time ago.