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O'Rilley gets it wrong about Armslist as a backdoor way to get a gun
Big Chief
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O'Rilley show tonight had their reporter on the ground in Chattanooga and the question came up about where the Terrorist got his guns and he told BO some were purchased the legal regular way and some through Armslist. Then BO starts blabbing about it being a backdoor way to obtain guns without getting a background check.
The reporter correctly says it was started by two Air Force Academy graduates who did it after eBay and like sites refused to list guns anymore.
I have never bought anything off Armslist, but common sense would tell me or anyone they would have been shutdown long ago if they were breaking any gun laws. This is on their front page of their site.
I'm thinking you have to follow all the local laws and anything from out of state will have to be a transaction through an FFL with a background check, unless say like here in FLA it is legal to have a private gun sale between two individuals. Here I can scan the classified ads and if I see one I'm interested in, call and go look at it and buy it just between me and the seller and like wise I can place an ad and sell a gun myself with the only stipulation that I believe the buyer is a law abiding citizen and for my protection look at his ID to make sure he is a FLA resident or from a state which allows the transaction. Also I'd get a bill of sale with BOTH our data on it.
Anti gun groups have went after Armslist with their usual lies and distortions.
For someone who prides himself on getting the facts straight he needs to do his homework on Armslist before condemning a legal activity. Are people really stupid enough to think you can get a AR-15 from a guy say in TX mailed to you in FLA without going through an FFL dealer and getting a BC? Or criminals use Armslist exclusively to obtain a gun illegally say in a state which allows private gun transactions.
http://www.armslist.com/
"Disclaimer
Always comply with local, state, federal, and international law. ARMSLIST does not become involved in transactions between parties. Review our privacy policy and terms of use for more information. Report Illegal Firearms Activity to 1-800-ATF-GUNS FREE."
And their terms of use on the same site.
The reporter correctly says it was started by two Air Force Academy graduates who did it after eBay and like sites refused to list guns anymore.
I have never bought anything off Armslist, but common sense would tell me or anyone they would have been shutdown long ago if they were breaking any gun laws. This is on their front page of their site.
I'm thinking you have to follow all the local laws and anything from out of state will have to be a transaction through an FFL with a background check, unless say like here in FLA it is legal to have a private gun sale between two individuals. Here I can scan the classified ads and if I see one I'm interested in, call and go look at it and buy it just between me and the seller and like wise I can place an ad and sell a gun myself with the only stipulation that I believe the buyer is a law abiding citizen and for my protection look at his ID to make sure he is a FLA resident or from a state which allows the transaction. Also I'd get a bill of sale with BOTH our data on it.
Anti gun groups have went after Armslist with their usual lies and distortions.
For someone who prides himself on getting the facts straight he needs to do his homework on Armslist before condemning a legal activity. Are people really stupid enough to think you can get a AR-15 from a guy say in TX mailed to you in FLA without going through an FFL dealer and getting a BC? Or criminals use Armslist exclusively to obtain a gun illegally say in a state which allows private gun transactions.
http://www.armslist.com/
"Disclaimer
Always comply with local, state, federal, and international law. ARMSLIST does not become involved in transactions between parties. Review our privacy policy and terms of use for more information. Report Illegal Firearms Activity to 1-800-ATF-GUNS FREE."
And their terms of use on the same site.
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Dad 5-31-13
Of course, I'd refuse a private sale to anyone who I was suspicious about and who couldn't produce valid ID. And I'd be the first to call the police and report them if I felt they were up to something nefarious.
He lives in where, NY? Where you can't do things like that.
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Dad 5-31-13
Jerry
ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
I've purchased and sold firearms on Gun Broker and Guns America. Their requirements are that all transactions go through an FFL holder. Obviously those sites don't have any control over that, but all the private individuals I've bought guns from stipulate that I send an FFL to them before they will ship. I also require a faxed or email copy of the buyers FFL before I will accept a firearm.
O'Rielly has always been a knee-jerk idiot. Then again, a lot of people here, responding to my earlier poll, voted overwhelmingly that Fox was their favorite news site. Go figure.
I see your problem. O'Reilly is not a news provider. His program is an editorial format that promotes HIS OPINION on the news stories of the day. You are confusing news with opinion.
O'Reilly has a large staff that could be tasked with finding out the facts of such things as Armslist and sales going only through FFL holders, but he is a blowhard that will not check facts if the facts might disprove his own OPINION of what he thinks the facts should be.
I haven't seen a NEWS REPORTER yet on FNC. Why don't they have a White House reporter? Why don't they have an evening news show? All Fox has is talking heads/pundits with LEGS.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
I basically agree with you Snake. However, he is all for himself. As Colbert once joked about BO's show, . . . "Its not about ME." Of course it is. Now he's trying to push this San Francisco tragedy into Kate's Law. I agree with that proposition, but BO is trying to garner support for himself as this name, I assume, was created by him. More notoriety for himself. I detest him.
He does own a gun(s) and said on his show he would use one to protect his family/home. I'm sure he has other security around too in his neighborhood.
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Ed Henry is Fox's Whitehouse correspondent. Brit Hume and Brett Baier do the evening show last I checked. If you want to look at Hume's legs, I guess I won't judge...
George Carlin
I don't detest him because he's mostly on the right side of issues I care about, but he can be an arrogant B...tch. I love Sean Hannity. He gives the libtards no quarter.
I like Britt Hume and Brett Baier . And it's funny to watch Ed Henry talking to Josh Ernst or Ernest however you spell it. The Prez's mouth piece. He get's him pretty flustered sometimes. But I guess one reason I take up for almost everyone on Fox News is because all my life all we had was the commie net work. And they make everybody on fox look like Michael Savage. And Savage is so far right the radar don't even go there.
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Also that instant check background checks are being performed.
Nobody legitimately purchasing firearms is circumventing any normal sales or Government procedures.
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I hope that Armslist will contact O'Reilly and Fox News. I think that would carry far more weight than any interested third party. I'll contact Armslist to make sure they are aware of what BS Bill had to say.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
I listened to the whole spill. I didn't think O'Reilly bashed Arms List, he was taking his lead from the reporter, John Roberts. But both failed to realize that all firearms sales still have to go through an authorized FFL holder. There's no bypassing the law here. But with all the BS the lame stream media spews, if you aren't up on the regulations of firearm purchasing, you can get it wrong real easily. And this is why the left has made the inroads into gun control it has.
What we can all do is email Fox (The more the better) and straighten Bill out. Not only Bill O but the rest of Fox's reporters. I don't know why Hannity hasn't jumped right in his back yet. He knows better and he's as pro gun as you get. And that's really amazing considering he's a Nu Youka too.
One thing about Hannity, he lived down south a while when he was younger. and his wife is from Alabama. He is a concealed handgun carrier and active shooter.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Some states allow private sales which do not have to go through an FFL holder. Bill also stated that there were a couple of murders in NY that were by committed by someone(s) who had purchased a gun via Armslist. Neither of these make the purchase illegal by themselves.
Bill conveniently left out that the guns purchased by the Chattanooga shooter might have been purchased legally. I sent email to him asking if he knew whether or not the purchase was legal. I'll be surprised if there will be a follow up, though.
From my reading of the Armslist FAQ I don't think that O'Reilly did a very thorough investigation of how it operates.
I really wish that Armslist would respond. I think that would be best.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
I thought most states, the free ones anyhow, allowed private sales w/o backround checks. Many listings here in AL the sellers stipulate they will only sell to concealed carry holders or at least people with an AL DL. I think it's more a CYA thing, not an Armslist requirement.
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Jerry, going through an FFL is not a state law, it's a federal law. To be legal by mail it has to go through a licensed FFL Dealer. The point in question was not about private purchases. It was about dealing with Arms List. Texas allows private purchases. Heck a third of what I have was by private purchase. But I didn't get them over the internet and I didn't get them in the mail. They were face to face in person purchases. That's something the Fed hasn't addressed (YET).
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Snake, Armslist is basically an online want ads service for folks who want to buy and/or sell firearms. It doesn't restrict sellers to FFL holders. If the sale is local, and private, it's up to the state law as to whether a background check is required. Armslist does not facilitate the sale. It simply connects a buy and seller.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
OK Gotcha, I was thinking it was like Gun Broker. But I think that's what O'Reilly was thinking too. But here's something to consider. Say you see a gun on that list you can't live without and you contact the seller and he lives 1000 miles from you and you really don't want to drive that far. You're going to send him a money order and he's going to send you the gun. But, to do that legally it's got to go to an FFL dealer near you. I would think the post office or UPS or whoever is not going to allow you to send it without a copy of an FFL it's going to. If it's in your home town or 50 or 100 miles down the road and you don't mind the drive, yep thats a legal private purchase where I am.
Anyway, anyway you look at it Bill O and John Roberts got it wrong.
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Small correction about Post Office, UPS, FEDEX or whomever. These entities do not require to see an FFL at all. Frankly, its none of their business. Any handgun, by the way, HAS to be shipped by overnight air. I have a feeling this is to minimize the time a small package is handled by untold how many people. Small packages can find there way into an employees car trunk if you get my drift?
Nope. To transfer across state lines, yes, but for example in PA if I wanted to send a rifle to someone who lived in PA, I put it in a box and mail it after the check clears same as a FtF sale. Handguns are required to be processed through a FFL so the NICS gets done. States set their own regulations within their boarders.
Armslist is just Craigslist for firearms and related.