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Spitez or hollows. I needs to know.

The .243 thread here, and Jason's hijacked Mossberg Patriot thread got me hot and bothered about loading for my .243. I am interested in the 85 gr game kings. These come in the spitzer, or hollow point. What say you? Is there any difference in terminal performance? I am thinking deer and smaller with this.
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Do you want big wounds or penetration. Sometimes Hollow points WILL penetrate, but often they will open up like a daisy and stop a few inches in, IF they don't come a part. A Spitzer will penetrate and in a Game King it will also expand usually quite nicely. I love Spitzer Game Kings. They have been my primary hunting bullet for years. But I don't leave out Pro Hunters either. They are great bullets in their own right. The original purpose with Boattails was longer range. They have less wind resistance due to the boat tail. But out to 300-400 yards you won't know any difference in Pro Hunter and Game King. I prefer Game Kings only because they tend to be just a bit more frangible, but I have used both and I like both.
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Hey Tuba, read this. Six gun nailed what I was trying to pull out of my hat. This is as plain as you can say it.
I have some 160 grain Sierra Game King HPBTs I haven't used yet. I was thinking of loading some for my .280. I was afraid they'd be too frangible for my 7 Mag.
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I've killed a bunch of deer with a 110 grain HPBT between 50 and 250 yards...and never saw either of the phenomenon you describe. In every case the hit resulted in complete shoot throughs with significant exit wounds....
"but often they will open up like a daisy and stop a few inches in"...I'd like to see some evidence of this claim
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While you're looking a bullets...I suggest that you take a look at the 95 grain Hornady SST or the 105 grain AMAX.
In past years, I had good luck with 6mm 95 grainNosler Ballistic Tips - however they are about twice as pricey as the SST
http://www.corneredcat.com/article/ammunition/are-hollowpoint-bullets-more-dangerous/
http://ammo.net/bullet-type/hollow-point-hp
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/07/robert-farago/breaking-u-s-army-switching-to-hollow-point-ammunition/
http://bearingarms.com/u-s-military-makes-monumental-shift-hollowpoint-pistol-ammunition/
Here's four stories on why most of us consider hollow points less likely to penetrate and go all the way through an animal and also expand to a higher degree than a more solid design.
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I can promise you right now, they aren't too frangible. This cow elk was hit with that exact, 160 gr. HPBT GameKing bullet out of my 7mm WSM. Sierra tells you straight away in the product description that the hollowpoint in that larger bullet is not going to be an overly easy-opening, explosively expansive bullet like many folks might think. I got one clean, round exit hole with very little meat damage, as you can see in the second shot. Per the official product description...
https://www.sierrabullets.com/store/product.cfm/sn/1925/284-dia-7mm-160-gr-HPBT
those all concern pistol ammunition.
Mike
N454casull
You're comparing apples and oranges....
I hadn't read down to your post yet before I started typing....
I also believed that the 160 grain Sierra Hollow points for my 7mms are beefier around the hole than a classic hollow point. That's just speculation on my part, I didn't dissect one.
As for the addresses I added above, I couldn't find many articles on hollow point rifle bullets. I did find a couple but one led into a discussion about pistol bullets too. The other one talked about both and was really anti hollow point. I'm not anti hollow point. I just think most hollow points are probably too frangible for hunting deer. I've seen deer that were shot with too frangible bullets and in at least two cases we had to track the deer down and finish it off.
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That bullet and the 105gr A-Max are my Go-To 6mm bullets.
I've never had a shoot through with a NBT or an SST on deer...on boiler room hits they have entered, grenaded and homogenized the contents of the chest cavity...Never found an intact bullet either...only fragments - once I found a bullet base..Of course I have a tendency to run them a little fast
I think what you are missing is that not all hollow point bullets act the same.
Jayhawker's never had a pass through with NBT's or SST's.
I've shot about 30 deer and five antelope with them and found jacket material on the offside in one deer. All the rest went completely through. At ranges from 80 yards to 440, at almost every angle you're likely to encounter. All the deer were taken with a .270, and all the antelope with a 6mm Rem.
Mike
Mike
N454casull
I just do it to aggravate people who shoot little bitty deer a dozen times with a .45-70, when their little girls are killing giant bucks DRT with smaller-bore rifles.
I saw that happen once on a big mule deer buck that a friend shot in the shoulder with a .243 nosler ballistic tip, ugly shallow wound with no penetration. I killed it with a 30.06 and a nosler partition. I'm no fan of ballistic tips, I have no experience with Sierra's however. I like to stick with solid copper alloy bullets nowadays. I've never had one of them fail on me.
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