Sounds like some great reasons not to elect a corporate 'mover and shaker' for President.
I harbor no ill will towards anyone who has had the energy and smarts to make themselves rich, but I do need to believe they also have a desire to serve the public, if they run for office. A president would do well to have access to advice from a Donald Trump type. But for president, I think I'd rather have someone who doesn't screw his friends or associates, and then say "nothing personal - just business." That would be more like a king (or maybe 'The Godfather') than a president.
That might be too general a statement. Plenty of very successful small business owners do not have experience in the large corporate world so it's difficult to understand the reasons why someone would do certain things. Also unfortunately the general publics view is clouded by journalists, an idealistic hippy bunch that has never produced a dime on their own...
That is fine and dandy. This is what I am arguing....
Sorry, Trump's businesses went bankrupt four times. Financial restructuring is bankruptcy!!!
Yes, General Motors failed. They failed because they made bad decisions. You need to think twice about people that make bad decisions.
Trump's investments were other people's money. Why would he get protection from creditors if it was his own money? He needed protection from the people that he owed money to.
I am better off talking to a wall. Holy crap!
Everyone of your excerpts from my narrative and your opinions didn't address ANYTHING. It's obvious you've never operated a business. Please get off your "Trump" vendetta and join reality. It's right outside your front door!
Sounds like some great reasons not to elect a corporate 'mover and shaker' for President.
I harbor no ill will towards anyone who has had the energy and smarts to make themselves rich, but I do need to believe they also have a desire to serve the public, if they run for office. A president would do well to have access to advice from a Donald Trump type. But for president, I think I'd rather have someone who doesn't screw his friends or associates, and then say "nothing personal - just business." That would be more like a king (or maybe 'The Godfather') than a president.
"Screw his friends or associates?" Put facts here when you make such a comment.
Where do you come off saying Trumps investments were other peoples money? You know nothing of his finances. Could the OTHER PEOPLE be a large bank, insurance company, mutual funds, hedge funds, etc.? Of course they were involved and none of them lost a dime thanks to Trump. You arbitrarily consider someone who has filed for bankruptcy a DEADBEAT. Wow, are you way out on left base.
Your narrative is not about Donald Trump . . . it's about our society. Hundreds of thousands of people file for bankruptcy here every year. That's called PROTECTION from ruthless loan companies, credit card issuers, and others who couldn't care less if they put a family on the street just to get back their money. You better be damned proud that you live in the USA and can possibly avail ourselves of remedies that other countries don't provide.
Everyone of your excerpts from my narrative and your opinions didn't address ANYTHING. It's obvious you've never operated a business. Please get off your "Trump" vendetta and join reality. It's right outside your front door!
Tonight, I have been in a meeting at my corporate gathering place and met with J&L Properties regarding their newly acquired land in northern Michigan. It seems that SJS Innovations wants to put a 100 yard testing facility on that property. August Construction gave a proposal to build the facility, while Shaw Brothers Distilling will be stocking the hospitality room.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Crazy, ain't it? What would be crazier is if I put them in bankruptcy and called it "good business". I am no Donald Trump, but I would call that a failure. That, and screwing the people I went in business with. Saying that "it just happens" or that "they are not nice people" is a crappy excuse for my own failures. I would think it is a time for reflection and to find out how things went horribly wrong. But that is just me.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
SJS Innovations is proposing to Jackson Engineering an exchange of the first ever Savage Axis in .430 SJS in exchange for a Jackson Engineering prototype rest. The SJS may have melt marks in it though from the heat gun. And butt prints-- only because I am that kind of guy.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
SJS Innovations is proposing to Jackson Engineering an exchange of the first ever Savage Axis in .430 SJS in exchange for a Jackson Engineering prototype rest. The SJS may have melt marks in it though from the heat gun. And butt prints-- only because I am that kind of guy.
Sounds like a couple of corporate movers and shakers have come to a mutually beneficial business arrangement.
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SJS Innovations is proposing to Jackson Engineering an exchange of the first ever Savage Axis in .430 SJS in exchange for a Jackson Engineering prototype rest. The SJS may have melt marks in it though from the heat gun. And butt prints-- only because I am that kind of guy.
Anxiously awaiting the test report on the .430 SJS. I think I'll be Jonesing for one kinda bad. I gots barrels; just need a reamer and an action. Maybe the owner of SJS Innovations can get me in on the ground floor; I sorta know the guy! :tooth:
“I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer” ― Douglas Adams
"Screw his friends or associates?" Put facts here when you make such a comment.
I was applying my assessment of the facts already known, i.e. bankers that loaned him money = "friends or associates". The fact that you don't get that means that you are either a dumbass or a groupie who makes up his mind before all the facts are understood, and will never back down. Consider any future comments from me as being addressed to someone who is trying to work this all out using logic. The facts are few and far between on Trumps qualifications, and that's the way he likes it; therefore he and his groupies will have to accept any misperceptions that come up, as a result of his low information campaign.
Sorry guys, it is NOT unethical or even remotely criminal to do business using the rules your government has given you. And Jerm, sorry buddy and with all due respect your example is like comparing apples to a Buick. BIG business is all about making sure YOU WIN, not about your "friends" feelings. I try to be as fair as I can in my deals so everyone wins but I am NOT naive enough to think I'm negotiating with "friends" and at the first taste of someone potentially screwing me I will burry them with every tool I have, financial or legal. I don't have a conversation with my global business partners without at least one lawyer by my side and sometimes as many as 5.
Good business partners have a BIG gun pointed at each other's head. THAT is the way it way it works when the deals are worth hundreds of millions if not billions. There is NO ONE in that league that has not left a pile of bodies in their wake. Where the big boys play is truly survival of the fittest and it's called capitalism and it is naive to think otherwise. Pretty much the way you need to deal with the rest of the world if you are a U.S. President because EVERYONE wants to screw you. Reagan defeated the Soviet Union without firing a shot because he out maneuvered them and sent them into bankruptcy, not because him and Gorbachev where buddies.
If you want a harmonious business environment where everyone is protected you need to live in China.
Maybe not illegal, as long as it isnt planned, knowing you are going to go bankrupt because that is your plan and you get investors to come along without knowing the plan? You bet un ethical. You are talking apples and oranges. Negotiating a trade agreement of goods and services is NOT the same as getting investors. What you do is no different than two guys over a fence dealing to run cattle in a pasture as long as the fence gets fixed. If one guy doesnt live up to the bargain, there is heck to pay. Getting people to put money into a business with the promise to grow that money and not doing it is why Bernie Madoff went to jail.
For arguments sake, say it is legal and ethical. If so he still screwed tens of thousands of people. Banks dont have money. Banks have depositors money.
Plenty of very successful small business owners do not have experience in the large corporate world so it's difficult to understand the reasons why someone would do certain things.
And even more corporate types think the scale makes a difference. Ever negotiate with a Amishman? If your I's are not dotted he will charge you extra to cross your T's for you if it isnt in the contract. The only difference is that if a little guy hoses the people he works with, he will be out of business quick fast and in a hurry. Corp types are large enough that people will still look to take their contracts even if they are deadbeats, for a while.
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As to is GM a failure? Yep. If they didnt screw their investors (illegally with the govt stepping in to let it happen BTW) and didnt get a tax bailout (Which article in the constitution says I have to pay GM? I wont buy their crap on my own.) they would have chapter 11 and either restructured (admitted failure) or went under. (failure) As it is they took our tax money, paid part back, and are well on their way to tanking again.
It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
A former business partner (for a very short time) said it this way- - - - -"You've gotta screw your friends because your enemies won't stand for it!"
Jerry
You're quite possibly one of THE dumbest people who has ever graced these pages.
Dude, where is your Humanity????
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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I harbor no ill will towards anyone who has had the energy and smarts to make themselves rich, but I do need to believe they also have a desire to serve the public, if they run for office. A president would do well to have access to advice from a Donald Trump type. But for president, I think I'd rather have someone who doesn't screw his friends or associates, and then say "nothing personal - just business." That would be more like a king (or maybe 'The Godfather') than a president.
Wambi, you hit it right on the head.
Everyone of your excerpts from my narrative and your opinions didn't address ANYTHING. It's obvious you've never operated a business. Please get off your "Trump" vendetta and join reality. It's right outside your front door!
"Screw his friends or associates?" Put facts here when you make such a comment.
You are actually right for once. I have never operated "a" business.
I mean it even goes beyond this:
http://forums.gunsandammo.com/showthread.php?19759-Injured-by-my-own-gun-and-a-little-stupidity-to-boot!
Yep, Gecko 45 was on another forum, wasn't he?
:roll:
Jerry
SJS Innovations is proposing to Jackson Engineering an exchange of the first ever Savage Axis in .430 SJS in exchange for a Jackson Engineering prototype rest. The SJS may have melt marks in it though from the heat gun. And butt prints-- only because I am that kind of guy.
Sounds like a couple of corporate movers and shakers have come to a mutually beneficial business arrangement.
NRA Life Member
Anxiously awaiting the test report on the .430 SJS. I think I'll be Jonesing for one kinda bad. I gots barrels; just need a reamer and an action. Maybe the owner of SJS Innovations can get me in on the ground floor; I sorta know the guy! :tooth:
― Douglas Adams
Cool beans! Hope it performs beyond expectations. :up:
― Douglas Adams
I was applying my assessment of the facts already known, i.e. bankers that loaned him money = "friends or associates". The fact that you don't get that means that you are either a dumbass or a groupie who makes up his mind before all the facts are understood, and will never back down. Consider any future comments from me as being addressed to someone who is trying to work this all out using logic. The facts are few and far between on Trumps qualifications, and that's the way he likes it; therefore he and his groupies will have to accept any misperceptions that come up, as a result of his low information campaign.
For arguments sake, say it is legal and ethical. If so he still screwed tens of thousands of people. Banks dont have money. Banks have depositors money.
And even more corporate types think the scale makes a difference. Ever negotiate with a Amishman? If your I's are not dotted he will charge you extra to cross your T's for you if it isnt in the contract. The only difference is that if a little guy hoses the people he works with, he will be out of business quick fast and in a hurry. Corp types are large enough that people will still look to take their contracts even if they are deadbeats, for a while.
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As to is GM a failure? Yep. If they didnt screw their investors (illegally with the govt stepping in to let it happen BTW) and didnt get a tax bailout (Which article in the constitution says I have to pay GM? I wont buy their crap on my own.) they would have chapter 11 and either restructured (admitted failure) or went under. (failure) As it is they took our tax money, paid part back, and are well on their way to tanking again.
Jerry
Dude, where is your Humanity????
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!