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For 7 years, VW software thwarted pollution regulations
Masters of deceit.
Well, what kinda German Engineering Scheiße is this? :tooth:
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/09/22/for-7-years-vw-software-thwarted-pollution-regulations/?intcmp=hpff
"VW's success story was so good that pollution-control advocates did their own tests, hoping to persuade other countries to enforce the same strict standards.
Instead, they got a foul-smelling surprise: In actual driving, the VWs spewed as much as 40 times more pollution from tailpipes than allowed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
"We ran the program to show that U.S. diesels are clean," said John German, senior fellow with the International Council on Clean Transportation, the group that blew the whistle on Volkswagen. "Turned out we found a violator."
The EPA and the California Air Resources Board announced the violations on Friday, accusing VW of installing software that switches on pollution controls during smog tests, then switches them off again so that drivers can enjoy more engine power on the road."
Well, what kinda German Engineering Scheiße is this? :tooth:
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/09/22/for-7-years-vw-software-thwarted-pollution-regulations/?intcmp=hpff
"VW's success story was so good that pollution-control advocates did their own tests, hoping to persuade other countries to enforce the same strict standards.
Instead, they got a foul-smelling surprise: In actual driving, the VWs spewed as much as 40 times more pollution from tailpipes than allowed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
"We ran the program to show that U.S. diesels are clean," said John German, senior fellow with the International Council on Clean Transportation, the group that blew the whistle on Volkswagen. "Turned out we found a violator."
The EPA and the California Air Resources Board announced the violations on Friday, accusing VW of installing software that switches on pollution controls during smog tests, then switches them off again so that drivers can enjoy more engine power on the road."
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
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I like it.
Dad 5-31-13
Why were none of these diesels caught in states that have mandatory emissions testing???
Yep, they seemed to be far ahead of the crowd with their diesel cars getting over 40 MPG when others were having trouble getting 25-30 MPG. Now we know why.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
I once looked into converting my old Land Cruiser to fuel injection, which would have almost certainly made it run cleaner and burn less gas, but didn't because it wouldn't then pass the visual under-hood inspection of our CA smog checks. When the bureaucracy makes you jump through a mountain of hoops to arrive at what the bureaucracy claims to WANT, the system has a problem.
Yet in five years, they'll probably be claiming that even a Prius is pumping Zyklon B out of it's tailpipe and demand reduced emissions on hybrids. In ten years, they'll probably try to ban jogging because we produce too much Co2 when we run.
Almost makes me wanna run out and buy a Volkswagen.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Not caught in testing because they developed software that detected when the testing commenced triggering the compliant emissions behavior. Once testing ends the car reverts back to the noncompliant config which presumably results in better fuel economy and improved engine longevity.
Jerry
Jerry
Are the Patriots sponsored by VW? :devil: :rotflmao::rotflmao:
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
no, but VW advertises on Ashley Madison. Or so I'm told.
George Carlin
― Douglas Adams
True that. They used to build a Mk V Golf factory cup car. 245hp TDI that got 42mpg.
Winston Churchill
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
Not too far off the mark, Teach.
"Volkswagen close to buying Red Bull F1 team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34297046
"The agreement would see VW buy the team and build its own engine, while Red Bull continues as a major sponsor."
"It is not clear which of the VW Group's brands would be promoted in F1, although Audi is the favourite. The company also owns the Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Bentley, Seat and Skoda marques."
For me, Škoda F1 would be good.
Mercedes is top dog at the mo, although there has been the odd blip now and again
The new Honda in the McLaren?
A bag of spanners.
PS.
Oops!
Forget that I think, Mr. Winterkorn, who pushed for and agreed the deal, has left the building.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34340997
"Volkswagen chief executive Martin Winterkorn resigns"
Red Bull, where to go now?
This latest industry scandal is what is scaring me about the thought of buying a diesel pickup in the next year or so when I got to replace my current one. On the one hand, small-displacement diesels get excellent gas mileage and tremendous torque for their size. So what's not to love?
It seems that there is grave concern that a diesel getting the kind of mileage achievable today will not be at all possible under the EPA rules advocated for by the current administration that will be enforced in the coming years. I don't know all of the ins and outs of it, but apparently, it will take several thousand dollars upgrade to a current diesel engine system to make it EPA complaint, and even then, at a major hit to the MPG rating. So, you are then tuck with a less powerful, less fuel efficient engine that runs on a fuel that has seen serious price spikes in the past 10 years. We're hitting the efficiency wall with internal combustion. Don't think that isn't EXACTLY what the agenda is trying to exploit in the effort to force everyone over to alternative energy methods not currently available.
The alternative energy methods have a larger carbon footprint than the fossil fuel vehicles, and cause much more hazardous waste problems from mining. Even hydrogen powered vehicles have a HUGE carbon footprint. Making hydrogen by electrolysis of H2O takes a LOT of electrical power to separate the H2 from the O, and most power generation is still from coal, oil, and natural gas. TANSTAAFL.
― Douglas Adams
Ever heard about the UN CO2 emission reduction programme ?????
Because they were programmed to turn on their exhaust emmissions controls only when hooked up to the test equipment is the way I read it.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Here in Texas there are counties that require emissions tests, but this one I'm in doesn't.
I don't see what the state level has to do with it. No matter who tests it they would hook up emissions testing equipment and something with that would throw a flag and turn on the exhaust emissions equipment which would limit the bad guys in the exhaust. So the tester would never know that once the testing equipment was taken off the engine would go back to pollution mode.
My problem with all of this is that all the test equipment I've ever seen is a probe they stick in the tail pipe that senses the exhaust for the offending chemical compounds that are said to be pollutants and I don't see how that would trigger a mechanism. Maybe the test equipment will cause back pressure which will trigger it.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
There you are snake.
"Volkswagen: The scandal explained"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34324772
"Full details of how it worked are sketchy, although the EPA has said that the engines had computer software that could sense test scenarios by monitoring speed, engine operation, air pressure and even the position of the steering wheel.
When the cars were operating under controlled laboratory conditions - which typically involved putting them on a stationary test rig - the device appears to have put the vehicle into a sort of safety mode in which the engine ran below normal power and performance. Once on the road, the engines switched from this test mode.
The result? The engines emitted nitrogen oxide pollutants up to 40 times above what is allowed in the US."