Yes, you should carry a sidearm while hunting...

BigDanSBigDanS Senior MemberPosts: 6,803 Senior Member
http://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/9/30/worldwide-exclusive-wisconsin-deer-hunter-fends-off-wolves-with-walther-pk-380/

Worldwide Exclusive: Wisconsin Deer Hunter Fends off Wolves with Walther PK .380
by Jon Draper - Wednesday, September 30, 2015

On Sept. 23, Matthew Nellessen of Friendship, Wisc., an avid deer hunter and former U.S. Army sergeant who served with the 961st Engineers in Afghanistan in 2006 and 2007, was scouting a potential hunting area in the Colburn Wildlife Management Area of Adams County when he locked eyes with a wolf only 30 yards away. Acting on instinct he gained from military service, Nellessen immediately pulled his sidearm, a Walther PK .380, and chambered a round.

That’s when things went from bad to worse. As he racked the slide, Nellessen noticed two more wolves approaching from the left.

“It all happened so fast,” said Nellessen. "It was maybe 3-4 seconds and the wolves were on me.”

The first wolf came in from the right, mouth open, fangs ready to rip into Nellesen's leg. A swift kick from the man’s boot landed square on the wolf's face and deflected the bite.

“That first wolf missed my leg by 8-10 inches,” he said.

The other two wolves weren’t far behind. As the next wolf leapt toward Nellessen, the man jumped back and was able to fire a single round into the animal. Nellessen was unsure of the lethality of the hit, but two wolves immediately retreated for the bush at the sound of the gunshot and the third limped away “like a gut-shot deer," said Nellessen.

Despite his encounter, Nellesen said, "I don’t blame the wolves.” He surmised that the perfect wind for scouting also turned out to be the perfect wind for unintentionally bumping into the wolves in what he described as "their living room.”

Nellessen attributes his ability to survive the encounter to his military experience and the small sidearm he carried with him that day.

“I’d be dead without my military experience,” he said. “A single bullet saved my life … a .380 FMJ.”

Phone calls and emails to the Wisconsin DNR confirm: "The Wisconsin DNR along with U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are currently investigating a report of a wolf interaction on or about that date. That’s all we can say since there is an ongoing investigation.”

Matthew Nellessen, who says he is now "In the market for a bigger gun,” renewed his NRA membership four days ago.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,729 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    Yes, you should carry a sidearm all the time


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  • dlddld Member Posts: 379 Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    http://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/9/30/worldwide-exclusive-wisconsin-deer-hunter-fends-off-wolves-with-walther-pk-380/

    Worldwide Exclusive: Wisconsin Deer Hunter Fends off Wolves with Walther PK .380
    by Jon Draper - Wednesday, September 30, 2015

    Nellessen immediately pulled his sidearm, a Walther PK .380, and chambered a round.

    Why would he not had a round in thee chamber and the safety on?
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    dld wrote: »
    Why would he not had a round in thee chamber and the safety on?


    That is one aspect of his military training that did not benefit him. I think it's a guard duty rule, for the average infantryman. It's a little bit outdated, in my opinion.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,967 Senior Member
    There is more to this story, what I do not know; but, wolves do not normally act like that.

    Young of the year should be able to run away
    so came across a fresh kill maybe.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    There is more to this story, what I do not know; but, wolves do not normally act like that.

    Young of the year should be able to run away
    so came across a fresh kill maybe.

    I have no experience with wolves, but I have walked up on coyote dens or feral hogs several times when the wind was right. I can imagine doing that with wolves and getting a more aggressive response.
  • bklysenbklysen Member Posts: 403 Member
    NN wrote: »
    There is more to this story, what I do not know; but, wolves do not normally act like that....

    Unless one happens across one of their 'rendezvous' sites, where the pups of the year are kept together, a bit like a kindergarten class while the adults hunt. It's getting a bit late in the year for those sites/gatherings to still be intact, but you never know.

    I think he stepped into an area with pups....

    edited to add link - background info on these sites, for those interested:
    http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/wolf/rendezvous.html
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,220 Senior Member
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    I started carrying a handgun, when deer hunting, because of feral hogs always managing to get between me and my Mule, while walking to my deer blind, in pitch dark. Hearing them in the dark when you are alone is unnerving, even knowing that they will usually run away, and a scoped rifle is nearly useless in the dark for self-defense. So I bought a 10mm Glock and a cap-bill light, and made an across the chest holster. This enables me to sling my rifle and have the ability to shoot the Glock two-handed at anything I saw within about 10-15 yards. The difference in my confidence was amazing.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,854 Senior Member
    dld wrote: »
    Why would he not had a round in thee chamber and the safety on?

    Because they don't really teach that to civilians in safety classes. Of course he was ex military, but there's so much out there about carrying on an empty chamber that a lot of people do just that. It's a fantasy that some of us acquire that no matter what the threat that we will have enough time to whip out our gun and chamber a round. This guy just barely got that done, probably due to his military training (So good on that). He was very lucky. This is another reason I'm a proponent of the 1911 style arm because if carried correctly it can be very safe cocked and locked. Don't leave it up to the gun's mechanisms only, because this goes hand in hand with good training and practice.

    Now my wheel gun is no issue to me. I carry the hammer down on the loaded round because I know it's not that hard to pull the trigger through in double action mode. AND most double actions have a safety feature built in that won't allow the hammer-firing pin to contact the cartridge unless the trigger is pulled to prevent AD if you should drop it or fall on it. And also, it has a big ol' hammer spur if I want to cock the hammer on the fly. But still, here again, safety comes down to practice and some skill.

    Don't wait to circle the wagons until the Sitting Bull and his braves are breathing down your neck. Stay in shape. Go practice. Insure you can pull that piece out of the holster and cock that hammer and fire on the fly, and do it safely.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Now my wheel gun is no issue to me. I carry the hammer down on the loaded round because I know it's not that hard to pull the trigger through in double action mode. AND most double actions have a safety feature built in that won't allow the hammer-firing pin to contact the cartridge unless the trigger is pulled to prevent AD if you should drop it or fall on it. And also, it has a big ol' hammer spur if I want to cock the hammer on the fly. But still, here again, safety comes down to practice and some skill.

    My G-20 does all of that, and has more power than your .357 Magnum, and an extra 8 rounds, to boot. Beyond that, I could abuse the hell out of it, were I so inclined, without shedding a tear, because a simple wipe-down would make it look as good as it ever did. :jester:

    Also, when I was practicing a lot with it, I could shoot 25 yard targets more accurately than I could with either of my .357's.
  • twatwa Senior Member Posts: 2,231 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »

    I remember that well! Yep I always carry when I am bowhunting, but just for the two legged vermon / meth heads.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,553 Senior Member
    I've never carried a sidearm before, but I think it's a good idea. I may start doing it. If I do, it will probably be my Kahr CW9. There will be a round in the chamber, and that pistol doesn't have a safety. Pretty much like an 8 shot double action revolver in that regard.

    There is a matter of legality, though. If you're scouting, or bow hunting, a game warden might not like you carrying a side arm. Also, I've heard tales of those carrying while hunting getting ticketed for carrying concealed if their handgun was under their coat or something. Seems pretty ticky-tacky to me, but I suppose it could happen. I've never had a negative experience with a game warden, but I know those who have.

    As for the initial post, it seems a bit contrived to me. I'll reserve judgement until this gets confirmed by a reliable source.
    Jerry

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  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    A lefthander, me, might consider Israeli carry, Condition 3(?), if the safety isn't ambidextrous. What do you recommend in that case?
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Dr. db wrote: »
    A lefthander, me, might consider Israeli carry, Condition 3(?), if the safety isn't ambidextrous. What do you recommend in that case?
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,419 Senior Member
    Condition 3 is a short-range club. You might as well carry a brickbat.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    Dr. db wrote: »
    A lefthander, me, might consider Israeli carry, Condition 3(?), if the safety isn't ambidextrous. What do you recommend in that case?


    Practice your 'draw and re-holster until you feel comfortable carrying with a loaded chamber. It's OK to feel like you are carrying a live bomb for awhile - practice will eventually relieve that feeling. You might even consider carrying an XD, for the added grip safety, until you're comfortable with it.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,845 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »

    There is a matter of legality, though. If you're scouting, or bow hunting, a game warden might not like you carrying a side arm. Also, I've heard tales of those carrying while hunting getting ticketed for carrying concealed if their handgun was under their coat or something. Seems pretty ticky-tacky to me, but I suppose it could happen. I've never had a negative experience with a game warden, but I know those who have.
    For years, it could have gotten you ticketed in Alabama. I personally don't know of anyone ever getting one, but the regs USED to specifically say that you couldn't have a firearm while bow hunting, or any CF during just small game seasons.
    A few years back, they changed the law to read that a legally carried SD weapon is now allowed at any time.
    Dr. db wrote: »
    A lefthander, me, might consider Israeli carry, Condition 3(?), if the safety isn't ambidextrous. What do you recommend in that case?
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Install an ambi safety.
    Or carry any firearm sans safety (Revolver, Glock, M&P etc et al)
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Don't have any wolves in TN (that I'm aware of) but do have feral dogs, and domesticated ones with crappy attitudes. I carry to the mailbox! And I carry in the woods or pastures. Cocked and locked with safety on if it has a safety, or with six rounds in the chambers on a revolver. The only safety is between your ears and is the first one to rely on, and the last one to fail.
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  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    Bisley: I guess if I can obey Col. Cooper (keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot) with a revolver I can do it with a compact semi-auto.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    Yeah, you've got it.
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    If I'm in the woods, walking out one of my own tracts of land, or a client's, I'm usually armed with a ccw. Used to be I didn't worry about problems, but now I'm somewhat more concerned both with the locations of what I own, and clients. Things have changed!
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,101 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    I've never carried a sidearm before, but I think it's a good idea. I may start doing it. If I do, it will probably be my Kahr CW9. There will be a round in the chamber, and that pistol doesn't have a safety. Pretty much like an 8 shot double action revolver in that regard.

    There is a matter of legality, though. If you're scouting, or bow hunting, a game warden might not like you carrying a side arm. Also, I've heard tales of those carrying while hunting getting ticketed for carrying concealed if their handgun was under their coat or something. Seems pretty ticky-tacky to me, but I suppose it could happen. I've never had a negative experience with a game warden, but I know those who have.

    As for the initial post, it seems a bit contrived to me. I'll reserve judgement until this gets confirmed by a reliable source.
    Florida changed its laws to allow folks to carry concealed while out scouting and such as long as they were carrying an actual ccw, not say a single-shot handgun or scoped revolver, and carrying concealed with the proper permit.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • avmechavmech Senior Member Posts: 858 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I carry ALL the time. Why would I stop for hunting? :uhm:

    This
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,803 Senior Member
    avmech wrote: »
    This

    I carry a larger handgun than I would otherwise, when hunting.

    D
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    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
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