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CHICAGO ON EDGE: Video of cop shooting black teen sparks protests

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,995 Senior Member
Video released, Cop charged with murder, family paid millions months ago...........

Video don't look good. Yes he had a knife and later found out to be on PCP, but didn't seem to be threatening the cops, just not complying.

Me thunks almost all of the police shootins could be avoided IF the young black males would just comply with their instructions. Some like Ferguson were found to be justified/legal.............others not.

So besides trouble what does BLM really want..................

ALL lives matter to me and why doesn't BLM go to Chicago's south-side where over a dozen were shot by each other last weekend?

All I can say is if I was a black male and was was stopped/confronted by police I'd be darn sure to comply 100% (I do anyway, of course) and if I had an issue thinking my civil rights were violated I would complain later.

What say you?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/25/chicago-police-officer-to-face-murder-charge-in-shooting-black-teenager/?intcmp=hpbt1
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    All Lives Matter. I have not seen the video, but according to the write up the cop was wrong and is being charged.
    What else do they want?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,825 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    All Lives Matter. I have not seen the video, but according to the write up the cop was wrong and is being charged.
    What else do they want?

    Flat screens!!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    All Lives Matter. I have not seen the video, but according to the write up the cop was wrong and is being charged.
    What else do they want?

    They have a planned demonstration for Black Friday on a strip with all kinds of stores called the Miracle Mile (?) in Chicago...............Apple to Nike and more................an economic attention getter demonstration to highlight their concerns or a way to go Ghetto Shopping if things go wrong and turn into a looting riot...........free Sneakers and TVs just in time fer Christmas :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    Flat screens!!

    You beat me to it Al..............and more....Magnificent Mile Shopping District..................
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,939 Senior Member
    I saw this last night. According to what I saw, the suspect was openly carrying a knife, but otherwise not threatening the officer. As soon as the officer got out of his car, he opened fire on a suspect who was walking away. The first 2-3 shots dropped him, but the cop emptied his gun (16 shots in all) in short order. He was in the process of reloading when another cop stopped him.

    Unless other facts come to light, this seems pretty open and shut to me. The cop killed this kid (he was 17) unjustifiably. There had to be a better way to detain him, especially as there were other policemen close by.

    This is bad, and adds fuel to the BLM fire. When cops screw up like this, especially when the "victim" is black, it's going to be viral and further the agenda of the race baiters. OTOH, it is what it is, and should not be excused. It's easy to point to black on black crime, and black on white crime, but that doesn't justify doing what happens in situations like this.
    Jerry

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Their libatard mayor reportedly sent the word out for gangs to keep their killings in the alleys in Chicago so as not to tarnish the image of his fine city, he like many others are dodging the issue.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I agree, what from what I have seen the cop was in no way justified in what he did. I guess the city knew that and paid out millions early. Some question why it took a judges order and over a year to release the video.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,610 Senior Member
    I just watched the full video, not sure why the cop pulled the trigger in the first place, but all the folks who are saying 'he only had a knife', or 'he was ten feet away!' are clueless. I think the cop will hang, and it appears rightly so.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    I think, and rightfully so, the BLM folks are upset because it took over a yr to arrest the cop. They want the mayor and DA gone too. IMO, they put it off cause Rohm was in a tough election battle when it happened and it would look bad (worse) if his cops were out of control. The video is pretty damning.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,920 Senior Member
    They could draw and quarter that cop, in public...put his head on a pike on Navy Pier...and they still wouldn't believe justice was done...Yet Blacks are killing Blacks in droves and not a word is said...
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,150 Senior Member
    There is difference between a criminal killing, and the Govt using its powers of deadly force against civilians.

    All abuses if power like this need to be run to ground and vigorously prosecuted.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • softwarejanitorsoftwarejanitor Member Posts: 241 Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    Flat screens!!

    And a new "grille" and an Escalade with 26" bling-bling rims and a thumpin' stereo with 1200 watts of subwoofer!
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The cop has a history of using excessive force- - - -probably kept his job through union intervention after a big financial settlement to another victim of his over-zealous arrest methods. If he had double-tapped the kid and stopped shooting, no problem- - - -the kid was within the "21 foot rule" space and not complying with instructions. Righteous shoot so far. The mag dump is what's going to hang him on the PC tree.
    Jerry
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Well, if we get lucky Jug Ears, Sharpton and the others will all go to Shicago at the same time. Then ISIS pulls something and we get rid of a lot of "trash" all at once!
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    The guy that got shot was on PCP. That makes them batscat crazy with the strength of Superman. A double tap and a check for effect would have been more appropriate. The cop screwed up very badly. He's going to get what he deserves for it, too.

    Chicago may be about to live in some interesting times over this one.
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    I just watched the video. It was very short and did not show what lead up to it, but the kid was not being aggressive and the cop emptied his gun. Its difficult but damn the cop had no reason to shoot
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,738 Senior Member
    I watched the video twice and did not see any reason for deadly force at the time of the shooting. SIXTEEN ROUNDS? And six seconds after the cop exited his vehicle?

    I'm cop friendly, but the cop murdered the kid, so far as I can tell from the video, and that's what the jury will see. I have no sympathy for BLM, and I'm not sure if the victim had been white he would have been killed.

    I haven't heard the cop had a history of excessive force. If he didn't, he should have. Rahm will sign a large check and the cop will do time. Inexcusable.
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    No doubt it's from my being empanelled on too many juries in my lifetime, but I will reserve my opinion on this matter until court convenes, and sworn witnesses testify and are cross-examined, and exhibits are entered into evidence. Those of you who have already decided this case on the basis of media coverage alone might be right, or you might be wrong. We'll see.
  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    Horse: I think I have an invisible "J" tattooed on my forehead in ink only lawyers can see. I ALWAYS get picked.
    From what I understand many people involved in a shooting cannot tell you how many shots were fired. Many police, when involved in a shooting, cannot tell you how many times they fired their own weapon. The officer probably didn't know how many times he had discharged his weapon. Doesn't make him right but it is part of the human condition.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Dr. db wrote: »
    Horse: I think I have an invisible "J" tattooed on my forehead in ink only lawyers can see. I ALWAYS get picked.
    From what I understand many people involved in a shooting cannot tell you how many shots were fired. Many police, when involved in a shooting, cannot tell you how many times they fired their own weapon. The officer probably didn't know how many times he had discharged his weapon. Doesn't make him right but it is part of the human condition.

    I love jury duty. I was even on a 'mock jury' and that was a great experience. If there was such a thing as a professional juror, I'd apply for the job.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,610 Senior Member
    Dr. db wrote: »
    Horse: I think I have an invisible "J" tattooed on my forehead in ink only lawyers can see. I ALWAYS get picked.
    From what I understand many people involved in a shooting cannot tell you how many shots were fired. Many police, when involved in a shooting, cannot tell you how many times they fired their own weapon. The officer probably didn't know how many times he had discharged his weapon. Doesn't make him right but it is part of the human condition.

    He may not have been counting his shots, but he knew he had emptied his weapon as the other cop stopped him as he was reloading. My personal opinion is that his 'fight or flight' instinct kicked in prematurely and he panicked. Like Gene, I saw no reason to fire, let alone fire until dry. Pistol out and ready? Definitely. Mag dump? No bueno.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 838 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    I love jury duty. I was even on a 'mock jury' and that was a great experience. If there was such a thing as a professional juror, I'd apply for the job.

    I couldn't help but think of the Aristophanes play, The Wasps, with you as one of the jurors, :jester:

    I got called once whilst out of town and haven't been called since, I'd like to be on a jury at some stage.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,610 Senior Member
    waipapa13 wrote: »
    I couldn't help but think of the Aristophanes play, The Wasps, with you as one of the jurors, :jester:

    I got called once whilst out of town and haven't been called since, I'd like to be on a jury at some stage.

    My wife has been called (IIRC) five times. I have yet to be pressed into service with that particular civic duty. I'd like to at some point, but now that I'm in a job I actually enjoy I really don't care for missing time from work.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    The news was saying the kid was a ward of the state and politics by the mayor was the driving force behind the early settlement to his family.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    My wife has been called (IIRC) five times. I have yet to be pressed into service with that particular civic duty. I'd like to at some point, but now that I'm in a job I actually enjoy I really don't care for missing time from work.


    If you actually want to be on a jury, you have to go out of your way not to appear intelligent or particularly attentive. I wasn't able to manage that until I hit middle age. I was always concentrating on listening to all of the proceedings and trying to make sure I understood all of the instructions, in case I did get picked. For the first thirty years, it was as if the defense attorneys couldn't even see me. When the whole process started to bore me (because I never came close to being picked), they started letting me slip through on some of the 'quickie' trials.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I think the contention is how long it took to prosecute the case. These cases are difficult and time consuming to prosecute.
    I also heard that there is no procedure within the department to connect patterns to mutiple incidents of officer infractions.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Over 2700 shootins in Chicago this year so far.............maybe they should call Chicago The Gunsmoke City instead of the Windy City.............................I drove through it twice years ago on a toll road of some kind and didn't like what I saw and have no plans to return.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,825 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Over 2700 shootins in Chicago this year so far.............maybe they should call Chicago The Gunsmoke City instead of the Windy City.............................I drove through it twice years ago on a toll road of some kind and didn't like what I saw and have no plans to return.

    I go out of my way to bypass Chitcago when I go up to Wisconsin. I drive up the center of the state and go through Rockford. It's a little longer but only one toll booth, so just as fast.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    I go out of my way to bypass Chitcago when I go up to Wisconsin. I drive up the center of the state and go through Rockford. It's a little longer but only one toll booth, so just as fast.

    Back in 04 I think it was I was TDY in Maumee OH for some 2 week hydraulics school (Eaton Co?) from Fort Hood. Anyway, I drove and Mrs Chief came with and we drove over/up to WI near Green Bay to visit some friends over the weekend. That's when I saw Chicago that wasn't in the airport only.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
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