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zorba
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CMP to sell surplus 1911s...
zorba
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... supposedly.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/25/breaking-news-it-is-now-law-the-cmp-can-sell-1911s-to-the-public-a-thanksgiving-day-miracle/
We'll see...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/25/breaking-news-it-is-now-law-the-cmp-can-sell-1911s-to-the-public-a-thanksgiving-day-miracle/
We'll see...
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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Dad 5-31-13
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
And that would be be FINE, as it lets us choose our level of drooling obsession. Daddy's got NICHES to fill!:drool2:
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
This letter was published on November 11, 2015. It is a letter written in response to a member's inquiry from Mark Johnson, Chief Operating Officer of the Civilian Marksmanship Program:
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Sir,
The CMP has no control over the outcome concerning the proposed legislative amendment that would change CMP’s enabling legislation by removing the word “rifle” and replacing it with “firearm”. The CMP will know the outcome concerning the legislation passing or not passing through the US House and US Senate at the same time in which all US Citizens find out.
Everyone needs to keep in mind, even if the legislative amendment to CMP’s current enabling legislation passes, the US Army is still not bound to turnover 1911’s or shotguns to the CMP if it chooses not to. The US Army has complete control of the firearms in its possession not the CMP.
Absolute best case scenario, the CMP is several years out from receiving anything if the legislation passes and the Army agrees to the transfer the surplus “firearms” to the CMP.
Congressman Rogers (AL) and Congressman Latta (OH) are putting forth great effort to help the CMP. Both Congressmen have CMP operations in their states and they are helping a local business survive.
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
256-835-8455 Ext. 416
www.thecmp.org
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Can't speak of Army surplus but USMC "surplus" included very few good 1911 and those where stashed back in PWS Quantico. I don't know will get in from the Army or what the CMP can do but I'll be going to Talladega both races now to hopefully pick out one if/when they get them.
- George Orwell
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"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
Collectibility IS the main attraction (but not the only one - more on this in a bit). The real exciting questions come from pondering exactly what is in this inventory. After WWII, the military got scaled WAAAAAAY back, and aside from minor, specialized purchases like marksmanship units and special ops, Uncle Sam never needed to buy another 1911 after 1945.
Sooooo. . . of the roughly 2 to 2.5 million pistols, the questions are:
How many survived military service? Truly a valid question, as those aboard every B-17 shot down and every ship sunk would have amounted to a hefty sum. The 500 Singers are presumed to have gone to the U.S. Army Air Corps before the bombers had P-51's covering them. I expect a lot of those were part of that grim statistic.
How many saw active duty and got recycled through the arsenal rebuild programs? A WWII scale military needs A LOT more pistols than a peacetime one, or even one conducting police actions in Asian puppet states.
How many went into wax paper and cardboard boxes and stayed there? Odds are, a peacetime military could be kept going with arsenal rebuilds that actually saw service in WWII. It's entirely possible that a lot of 1944-45 production ended up as stores. . .a service unit would irreparably break or lose one and order a replacement from these. As generally unbreakable as the main components of a 1911 are, they've probably lose more to theft than wear.
Any of those options are cool - the used, mismatched, and rebuilt because they went to very bad places to do very bad things, and the unused ones for "time capsule" appeal.
As to the attraction of one of these versus a new production 1911. . .you pretty much CAN'T find a new 1911 built to true military specs. Consumer demand has done funny things to JMB's blueprints; we've got sniper-rifle tolerances (and correspondingly high prices) on CQB pistols because glossy magazine ads convince us we need accuracy capability that virtually no human can deliver. A negative of this is that you have a lot of individually-fit parts that can't be dropped into another pistol off the same assembly line. Still another is that all of that ergonomic tweaking and match tuning can make the gun harder to dismantle (i.e. ambi safeties) and a bit less durable/reliable (i.e. too-fine sear engagement and no room for mud) in the real world. On the flip side, you have the "make it cheap" end of modern production with things like castings and plastic trigger shoes and plastic mainspring housings, nor are you likely to see the checkered small parts of the pre-'44 guns on any of the new stuff.
A lot of the modern guns are trying to cash in on the reputation THESE guns made, while not necessarily adhering to the criteria they were manufactured under. This is the real deal, built to John Browning's specs to be an actual weapon of war - not a confused target pistol with night sights that tries to be everything to everyone.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
The infinite wisdom of the Army back in the 70s.........issue me a .45 and only 5 rounds in a magazine. As I'm walking my guard post back and forth between 56 M-60 Tanks in a Motor Pool in Germany with a .45 they issued me for guard duty. Freezing my butt off too.
Lets see the Baader-Meinhof Gang was active ........be on the lookout they said..........I wondered how many were in the gang..............better make all 5 count.............hope the COR/SOG/OG and rest of the guard force would get there in a hurry....................
Better than a Pic Mattcok handle that some places issued roving guards or as an assistant CQ in the barracks to whack unruly drunks with who got bat scat crazy from too many German Beers or issued me my very own .45 and 5 rounds when I made Sgt and had CQ duty.
Anyway, they (CMP) will surely go over each one with a good TI for serviceability and replace any parts that need it.
Yep, I want one.
I hope they are affordable.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncbEucjsNFU
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Agree; lucky you that might get a fine piece of military history that otherwise might be eventually destroyed and can still be shot every once in a while.
You just forget it !
You'll never get it !
You live in Calaforny, so you just forget it,
You'll never get it !
Lol
:jester: :tooth:
One word: C&R!
I saw some C&R pistols, but said no delivery to CA/NJ/NY and a couple mo states................how can that be if they are BATF approved as C&R?
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=5490&name=Polish%20Radom%20P-64%209x18%20Pistol
Polish Radom P-64 9x18 Pistol
Firearm Purchase Requirements
SHIPPING RESTRICTIONS APPLY FFL REQUIRED/ 03 C&R ELIGIBLE
NOT 03 C&R ELIGIBLE IN CA, MA, NJ & NY.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
There are a number of businesses that refuse to do any firearms business in CA based on general principle....
When I was shooting on the Michigan Air National Guard Pistol Team, we had one phase of Bullseye competition that was shot with rack weapons...Grab one and take your chances...surprisingly (or not) they weren't that awful...but high score wasn't always all that impressive...
Yes there are. All they're doing is hurting us, they're not helping anything or anybody - but hey! Its a free country.
Now if they won't sell to ANYBODY in Ca - including LEO, state agencies, etc - more power to 'em!
IIRC, there's quite a bit of paperwork involved to get firearms "approved" for sale in CA,MA, etc...to the point that it becomes so onerous to comply with their laws it's easier to just not do business in those states. Humbly, those states are the ones who shot their citizens in the foot, in the interest of keeping them "safe" of course...
I'll be glad when I can get the Hell outta here...
You'll be welcome in Free America....