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Handgun Gog Hunting - Two fer Two!

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 27,455 Senior Member
Two handguns for two hogs, that is.

Was working on guns in my cave this afternoon when I decided to text a rancher friend of mine. I said, "If you have pigs need killing....I have handguns need testing."

Awhile later, he called. Asked me what I was doing and said to meet him at his hunting camp in 30 minutes. Holy CRAP! Sure!

Grabbed my hunting ruck, BOG Gear PSR, 7.5" Redhawk .44 Mag, 10" MGM Barreled .357 Mag Contender, loaded the truck, and headed out in about 15 minutes. It's about a 5 minute drive to his place and I met up with him at his camp. He said he had a feeder in the back of his property that had game cam pics of a bunch of hogs coming to feed. We crawled in the box blind around 4:30 and he said the feeder should go off around 5 o'clock.

I set the Redhawk on the PSR and figured I'd use it for the long shots and save the Contender for if something came close.

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The feeder was 80 yards away in an old food plot. Mist was falling and temps were warm. Generally............muggy.

The rancher had brought an AR with him and said he would back me up if needed. I think he just wanted to shoot something with his new gun as well. I asked what he was using and he said 40gr V-Max. Better be head shots, then!

At 4:55, a nice red boar came out of the brush on the far side of the field and ambled towards the feeder. That sucker must have one heck of a mental clock, because he walked under the feeder RIGHT when it went off and showered him with corn. Ironically, it startled him a bit and he ran back a few yards. When he stopped, I cocked the hammer of the Redhawk, placed the reticle of the 4x Simmons scope on his shoulder, relaxed, and squeezed the trigger.

BOOM!

The 325gr WFN-GC smacked him in the shoulder at 85 yards and he let out a squeal. Instantly, his back side collapsed and he sat down. Just as he was falling over, the rancher shot him with the .223 Remington. More because he wanted to use his new rifle and scope than because the pig needed help giving up the ghost. He lay there on the ground kicking for a minute or two and then all was still.

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We contemplated getting out and calling it a day. But, figured we had plenty of time and decided to wait until dark in the off chance that more would come. So, I replaced the Redhawk with the Contender.

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While we waited, the drizzle increased. Then at about 5:30, the wind suddenly picked up, a fog blew in and the temp dropped about 20 degrees!!! It was the eeriest thing. Like that Steven King movie "The Mist". The cold front had arrived. Finally, shivering in the blind, I noticed a large black form exit the brush to the left of the feeder as light faded. He ambled up to the feeder and I told the rancher I'd shoot when he was broadside. We both had earplugs in and I guess our plan got discombobulated. The boar was facing away while I aimed at him and waited for a good broadside shot. Suddenly.........BANG! The rancher shot the boar in the butt (later he said he thought it was his head). The boar jumped and took off running to the right.

Knowing the rancher was using 40gr V-Max and that there was no way in Hell that bullet was going to penetrate far enough to reach anything, I lead the pig and fired a shot as he ran. At the shot, the boar nose dived in the dirt, did an about face, and ran back to the left now. I reloaded as the rancher fired 2 more shots.........missing before he entered the brush.

Then, the clouds opened up and it began to pour.

Quickly, I ran across the field to try and find any blood and ascertain where he'd entered the brush before the rain totally washed away all sign of blood. In the failing light I reached the spot I thought he'd exited the field. Looking down, I see no sign. Then..........looking up.........I see his huge form 10 yards in front of me down the trail. Standing there with his head down.

And you know what? I didn't have a gun!!! Because of the pouring rain.....I'd left it in the blind. CRAP!!!

I quietly back up a few yards then turn and sprint across the field in the rain. Passing the rancher (who didn't have his gun either) about half way, I told him that sucker was RIGHT THERE in the brush! Continuing my sprint, I retrieve my Contender and run back to the boar. Fortunately, he is still in the same spot.

It's almost dark. It's raining. It's muddy. I have a single shot pistol in my hand and a big wounded boar in front of me. "Thumbs up, let's do this! Leroooooooooyyyyy......" (namethatreference)

I crouch and slowly walk forward to clear some brush. At about 5 yards..........I raise up and put a 180gr Hornady XTP through his back and into his chest. With a Hellacious squeal, the boar falls over kicking. I back out and wait. Telling the rancher that we should go load up the red boar and let this one die. He hardily agreed.

In the cold, driving rain, we load the red boar into the Mule. Then, head over to the big one. I tell the Rancher I'm out of bullets as we enter the brush. But, I have two knives!!! Let's go! Fortunately...........he was dead.

I kicked my own butt dragging that sucker out of the brush in the slippery mud. Then, it took both of us to load him in the Mule. Went back to the blind to retrieve our gear........then........soaked.......freezing.........and laughing.........we drove back to the hunting camp. That was not your average hunt.

Good times!

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"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Autopsy post in the morning. I'm tired and sore.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I would write to Hornady and let them know that their 40gr Vmax bullets SUCK when taking butt shots at hogs. That is so disappointing.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    I would write to Hornady and let them know that their 40gr Vmax bullets SUCK when taking butt shots at hogs. That is so disappointing.

    Right?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,364 Senior Member
    Nice pair and a good 'save'. The black Gog looks like it could have done some damage if it was so inclined.

    Do you keep the 'hooks' off the gogs you shoot? Reason I ask is I have heard that there is a good market for ivory from jewellery makers and scrimshaw carvers.........
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    That Redhawk was flingin' some serious lead.
    I bet that the autopsy will reveal both animals to be completely dead
    Just sayin'
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Butchered the red boar first.

    Cartridge: .44 Magnum
    Bullet: 325gr WFN-GC
    Muzzle Velocity: 1,331 fps
    Distance: 85 yards
    Angle: Broadside / Left Side Towards
    Impact Velocity: 1,140 fps (est.)
    Distance Traveled: 0 yrds

    Entrance:
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    Entrance Under Hide: (.44 Mag - Left / .223 Rem - Right)
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    Under Shoulder:
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    325gr Hard Cast Exit Through Scapula:
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    Entrance to Spine (Meat Removed)
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    Entrance Ribs Removed:
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    The bullets severed the artery that runs the length of the spine allowing the chest cavity to fill with blood and causing the hog to bleed out in minutes.

    Chest Cavity Blood Removed:
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    Notice the difference in bruising caused to the lungs by the hydrostatic wave and temporary cavity of the two bullets. The 325gr WFN-GC obviously generates a greater wave and temporary cavity as compared to the 40gr V-Max.

    Exit of 325gr Hard cast Under Hide:
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    Exit Through Hide:
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    The toes are for you, Chris. Not only do I not wear gloves...................
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    The rain came down and I was cold and wet. I didn't get an autopsy of the black boar. As much as it pains me and pisses me off............I threw in the towel. My phone was wet......my camera was wet........and I was wet. Before it turned into an expensive endeavor and cost me an electronic...........I quit.

    So, I will give a shot placement analysis.

    Turns out, the rancher DID shoot the pig in the head on the first shot. His bullet struck the top of the pigs head, dug a 1" deep groove through the hide and continued on it's way into the wild blue yonder. Resulting in nothing but a reversed Mohawk on top of his nogg'n.

    When the pig took off running and I shot, my bullet passed through the base of his right ear and entered his neck at the back of the skull and above his spine. This caused him to do the nose dive , flip, and reverse directions.

    1 of the ranchers next two shots hit the boar in the guts as he ran back to the left and the other put a hole in his butt cheek before he entered the brush.

    My follow up shot entered the boars spine about mid back and angled downward into the vitals.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,112 Senior Member
    I've always wanted to hunt the elusive Gog....Nicely done! Thanks for sharing...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    So, the max. You find it? Any more damage pics than what you have?
    The .44 bullet, no surprises. Duh. It's a big hard chunk of lead. No science there.
    But the max? That's science.


    It went poof.

    There was a hole entering the spine. I dug around in it and came up with nothing but bone and bullet fragments. Nothing I could find of substance.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I've always wanted to hunt the elusive Gog....Nicely done! Thanks for sharing...

    Yeah......it was late.

    You know.........you COULD use your super powers and fix that. Say'n.

    :wink:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Hmmmm. Wonder what it would do in meat, without hitting bone?
    But what I really wonder is, what would an 80 grain Amax out of a .223 do?
    ???


    You know......I'm not sure. Maybe someone should load some up and try.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Me zee. Me shot Gog. Me clean Gog. Me cook Gog with fire. Fire good. Gog good.


    "imoit:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Yeah. Good idea. Wish I had thought of it. I'd do it, but I don't have a gun with a fast enough twist to stabilize them. And I don't have any 80 Amax bullets. I shipped them off to some barefoot jackass who has not only a gun that can shoot them, but access to hogs five minutes from his house. You would think we could get him to do it. For science. Instead of testing things we KNOW will work with aplomb. But then Ive been wrong before. Once. But I'm still not certain it was me.

    Wish that Jackass would hurry up and get around to loading them!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Pffft. You are the dude skinning gogs barefoot. You've really not got a leg to stand on.

    " I'm not a pistolero or a knife smith like that Chavez Chavez over there, Im a pugilist. But I don't expect you'd know the meaning of that, GOG BOY!


    I think I've definitively proven that I have at least TWO legs to stand on.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Do you keep the 'hooks' off the gogs you shoot? Reason I ask is I have heard that there is a good market for ivory from jewellery makers and scrimshaw carvers.........

    I cut the front of the skull off the big boar. Gonna "Euro" mount them.

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Why not the whole head?


    It's rather large! This will fit nicely on a bookshelf.

    I've done it before. Works pretty well.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,112 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Yeah......it was late.

    You know.........you COULD use your super powers and fix that. Say'n.

    :wink:

    I actually considered that.....then I realized it would negate all the subsequent "Gog" posts and make the posters look like idiots....nope...you're stuck with it...:jester:
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I actually considered that.....then I realized it would negate all the subsequent "Gog" posts and make the posters look like idiots....nope...you're stuck with it...:jester:


    My cross to bare.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Nice write up. Will be interested in seeing the mount of the skull.


    And....... Leeeerrrooooyyyyy Jjjjeeeeennnkkkiiiiiiinnnnnssss!
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member

    And....... Leeeerrrooooyyyyy Jjjjeeeeennnkkkiiiiiiinnnnnssss!

    I love you.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I love you.

    We used to have a huge gamer nerd at work....he got REALLY pissed when we played that video for him. Pretty sure he was there.
    :tooth:
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,324 Senior Member
    Sounds like a fun - if weird - day.

    I think the #1 lesson here is to carry a J-frame .38/.357 loaded with something heavy, flat-nosed, and non-expanding in your pocket at all times when hunting. Is it a .44 Redhawk? No. But it's far better than harsh language and you won't scamper off and leave it in the blind.

    As to the autopsy - I LOVE YOUR POSTS! This may be one of your best yet, as we've got essentially the exact same shot on the same animal with two very different bullets. I mean, they're both aorta/vena cava hits - figure the odds of that!

    The .223's bruising is extreme, but really shallow, and it looks like by the time it got to the lungs and artery, all that was left of it was base and core moving at .45ACP speeds or less. I think it would have bruised the lungs as much or more as the .44 if it had any juice left when it got there. I see similar stuff with my milk jug tests - the first few in the stack go POOF, followed by penetration with no real displacement until the slug stops. Dad and I did some testing at the range yesterday and were asked by another member if he could shoot a couple of our "fun jugs" ( which were little half gallon milk and shampoo bottles - the full gallons are the standard testing units) with 55 grain Varmageddons at pistol distances. The exits on both were so extreme that the bottles blew back TOWARD us. Unfortunately, we didn't bother stacking them, but I doubt there would have been more than lead and copper crumbs hitting a third bottle if we'd done so.

    As to the .44, Chris pretty well summed it up with "No surprises", which is why I'm coming to like these flat nosed solids and non-ablating Barnes' - there's very little "magic bullet" nonsense to them; just momentum. If you put big ones in the right place, they work.

    What this illustrates - I think - is that transferring all of a bullet's energy into the target is not a good thing, and that a bullet exiting the animal is not "energy wasted". Both rounds killed the Gog:tooth:, but the speedy, energy-dumper was really iffy on that score, while the high momentum "drill" not only took out the plumbing, but also the support architecture on the far side.

    A 40 grain .22 on a pig hunt???? I think I would have spent the entire time biting my tongue and telling myself "This guy is letting me hunt on his land. . . This guy is letting me hunt on his land. . .This guy is letting me. . ."
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    The black boar was apparently a fighter.


    He was missing his left eye which was just a healed over empty socket. On top of that, his left leg had apparently been broken at some point. While his ankle could bend, his elbow was fused straight. Couldn't bend forward or anything. Which, is why he is propped up like you see in the picture. He essentially has a straight peg-leg.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'll give you that. Indeed you have two legs too stand on. Two, short, stumpy, little legs.

    So THERE!!!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Here they are on the scale.

    146 pounds for the Red.
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    220 pounds for the Black. With his head still on the ground as you can see it twisted to the left. Not sure how much more it would have actually added. But, I about tore my liver trying to get him from the bed of my truck to the scale as it was. I wasn't going to raise the scale and do it again.

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    I think the #1 lesson here is to carry a J-frame .38/.357 loaded with something heavy, flat-nosed, and non-expanding in your pocket at all times when hunting. Is it a .44 Redhawk? No. But it's far better than harsh language and you won't scamper off and leave it in the blind.


    A 40 grain .22 on a pig hunt???? I think I would have spent the entire time biting my tongue and telling myself "This guy is letting me hunt on his land. . . This guy is letting me hunt on his land. . .This guy is letting me. . ."

    I got the 4.6" SBH exactly for that reason. Then......left it at home because of the nasty weather. Figured..........I'm taking two handguns..........why bring a third!?! Then.........left both in the blind.

    :bang:


    The rancher is loading up some 65gr GameKings today as we speak.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    :popcorn:

    He wants us to go again later this week after it dries up a bit and the pigs forget about the barrage of bullets.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,324 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    The rancher is loading up some 65gr GameKings today as we speak.

    Good man!

    I know they're not your thing, but there's a Barnes 62 grain TTSX that works with a 1-9" twist. Probably make a hole a lot like your .44, if not quite as spectacular on the opposite shoulder. They do conservation of mass very well - good when you don't have much to start out with.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Hmmmm. That means you've got time to load up some 80 grain Amax. You've even got access to a suitable range. On. That. Property.
    To sight them in.

    Sex, sex, sex, that all you think about! Isn't it?!?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,455 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    Good man!

    I know they're not your thing, but there's a Barnes 62 grain TTSX that works with a 1-9" twist. Probably make a hole a lot like your .44, if not quite as spectacular on the opposite shoulder. They do conservation of mass very well - good when you don't have much to start out with.

    I'm not the one loading the .223 Remington.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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