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The common denominator

bullsi1911bullsi1911 Posts: 12,419 Senior Member
Every mass killing has one common denominator. It's not race, mental issues, religion, geographical area, etc....

One thing is the same- and it is the one thing we can change. The one common factor in every mass killing is this: Defenseless victims.

9/11- no one was armed on the planes. In the one plane they fought back, it ended the slaughter.
Boston marathon- no defense against bombs, but no one was aware of the one turd leaving a backpack on the ground and un- assing the area.
Sandy Hook- defenseless kids, unarmed teachers
Fort Hood- unarmed soldiers and employees
Aurora theater- gun free zone
San Bernardino- gun free zone
Heck, you can even count the whole city of Chicago since the mid 60s
Don't know enough about the park shooting in new Orleans, but I bet it was a gun free zone

Don't be defenseless. Even if you can't carry a gun, being armed is a mindset. Keep aware- have a plan.
To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov

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  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    And, now...practice head shots - aim small - miss small...smooth is fast, but always remember that you can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight.
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,746 Senior Member
    I concur with everything you said. These days about the only place I go unarmed is work.
    Sad to say working for the Military in a gun free zone just seems weird. They have random inspections at the gate, so I am unable to leave my handgun in a lock box that I have in the truck.
    These days every bad guy had a gun or weapon of some sort, but certain members of our elected government are hell bent on taking them away from law abiding people. It makes zero sense to me and most people I know.
    If even a handful of people in that building yesterday had a weapon to defend them self, how many less people may have been killed or wounded?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    When did we start to think gun control was Constitutional ?
    I mean We as a Country,
    What year did mini gun bans start ?

    Aside from laws like the infamous Sullivan law of NYC, and apart from inaccurate Hollywood tripe, such as Dodge city and Sheriffs telling people to leave town, when did it all really start ?
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    The gangster movies in the thirties probably started it - evil 'silencers' and Tommy guns used for murder and nothing else, supposedly.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Every mass killing has one common denominator. It's not race, mental issues, religion, geographical area, etc....

    One thing is the same- and it is the one thing we can change. The one common factor in every mass killing is this: Defenseless victims.

    9/11- no one was armed on the planes. In the one plane they fought back, it ended the slaughter.
    Boston marathon- no defense against bombs, but no one was aware of the one turd leaving a backpack on the ground and un- assing the area.
    Sandy Hook- defenseless kids, unarmed teachers
    Fort Hood- unarmed soldiers and employees
    Aurora theater- gun free zone
    San Bernardino- gun free zone
    Heck, you can even count the whole city of Chicago since the mid 60s
    Don't know enough about the park shooting in new Orleans, but I bet it was a gun free zone

    Don't be defenseless. Even if you can't carry a gun, being armed is a mindset. Keep aware- have a plan.

    I agree somewhat. But I think the other things play into it, Race, religon, mental state, Etc. But most people aren't brainless enough to try something if they know there's a better than even chance of being killed doing it, even most Jihadists. So they look for a defenseless victim or victims or a safe haven such as a Gun Free Zone.

    Ahh Gun Free Zones!!! I'll be the only one armed at the party!!! Very few of these cowards will try something like that in a place like Texas or Alabama or wherever some of the potential victims may instead be armed..
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    I concur with everything you said. These days about the only place I go unarmed is work.
    Sad to say working for the Military in a gun free zone just seems weird. They have random inspections at the gate, so I am unable to leave my handgun in a lock box that I have in the truck.
    These days every bad guy had a gun or weapon of some sort, but certain members of our elected government are hell bent on taking them away from law abiding people. It makes zero sense to me and most people I know.
    If even a handful of people in that building yesterday had a weapon to defend them self, how many less people may have been killed or wounded?

    It's not only a case of how many less people would have been killed had it been legal for people to be armed, it would also soon grow unpopular with the Bad Guys (And Gals) and/or Sick guys (And Gals) to try to pray on defenseless people because they would soon find there were less defenseless people and MORE ARMED people out and about in places that before were traditionally Gun Free. This alone would put the quajitas on 90% of this crap.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Don't take "The Law" into your own hands crow the Libtards, so in whose hands rest "The Law" if not in our own flesh & blood hands, in whose hands does the Law actually rest?
    In the hands of abstract absentee concepts or in the actuality of reality ?
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Posts: 18,355 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Aside from laws like the infamous Sullivan law of NYC, and apart from inaccurate Hollywood tripe, such as Dodge city and Sheriffs telling people to leave town, when did it all really start ?

    This isn't really inaccurate...Dodge City Kansas in 1875 had an ordinance that forbade the carrying of firearms in city limits. Guns could be left at the Sheriffs Office or with the barkeep at any of the saloons...to be claimed when you were leaving town...many of the cowtowns, Ellsworth, Abilene, Hays, Newton all had similar ordinances at one time or another.

    Following the Civil War, the South was rife with laws and ordinances to prevent people of color from arming themselves...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I need to learn more about this topic and era.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    This isn't really inaccurate...Dodge City Kansas in 1875 had an ordinance that forbade the carrying of firearms in city limits. Guns could be left at the Sheriffs Office or with the barkeep at any of the saloons...to be claimed when you were leaving town...many of the cowtowns, Ellsworth, Abilene, Hays, Newton all had similar ordinances at one time or another.

    Following the Civil War, the South was rife with laws and ordinances to prevent people of color from arming themselves...

    But there's a tad bit of difference in 1870s Dodge City and in one of today's metroplexes. It was easier for 5 or 10 law men to keep tabs on 500 or so cow men than a PD or SO to watch 100,000-1,000,000 potential criminals or terrorists.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    Good points all, but meanwhile on the left...A Judge who was on "Morning Joe" the other day summarized what the "Common Denominator" in all the recent mass murder/shootings was...wait for it..........GUNS! He went on to spew drivel about our Lax gun laws in the United States, and how Europeans with their strict gun laws were safer than us. Where was this guy when Paris was under siege? RINO Joe commented that all the folks he knew that hunted since they were kids (that'd be a short list) commented on how "Nobody needs an AR assault weapon with a 30 rd. "clip" for hunting deer". I didn't realize that the discussion was about hunting. Their solution is to disarm law-abiding citizens and turning the entire country into a "Gun Free" zone! What Idiots!
  • Dr. dbDr. db Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Don't take "The Law" into your own hands crow the Libtards, so in whose hands rest "The Law" if not in our own flesh & blood hands, in whose hands does the Law actually rest?
    In the hands of abstract absentee concepts or in the actuality of reality ?

    Heard a good thought the other day from Col. Dave Grossman. If you don't take the law into your own hands then you allow the nut job to determine the body count.
  • earlyearly Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    The federal government can't stop this. It has to be handled on the local level.

    The genie can't be put back. There's too many privately owned guns for gun control measures to be effective. Mutually assured destruction was the defacto reamedy for the other genie. Let the public be armed.

    Many years ago an actor named Robert Blake co-starred in a movie titled In Cold Blood. They committed senseless murders. At the end they were taken to an old aircraft hangar in the middle of Kansas and hung.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Before the rash of stupid Federal (national) gun legislation in the last century we have always had small scale community/town/city type bans and restrictions. These were enacted as control measures for specific local circumstances like in Tombstone, AZ (and many other old west towns) were crime was rampant and they only had a handful of LEOs trying to maintain peace in a town full of transients and hard criminals.

    For a good recap of the development of Gun control at a national level read the book, Unintended Consequences. It's fiction but it has in it a real, well researched historical recount of how gun control developed by the Federal Government in the 20th century in the USA. It'll scare the living crap out of you...

    I personally have not a clue about when it all began, but I suspect there have always been people so opposed to violence that they take the stupid stand of doing away with all manner of defense thinking that even defensive violence should be stopped. Along these lines I remember when I was in school there was a local movement by a bunch of women and a doctor to stop football in schools. Around here that went over like a lead balloon, just like gun control in this part of the country.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    "Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who don't!" Not as long as I still have even a single round of ammo left!
    Jerry
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Posts: 7,927 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    The federal government can't stop this. It has to be handled on the local level.

    The genie can't be put back. There's too many privately owned guns for gun control measures to be effective. Mutually assured destruction was the defacto reamedy for the other genie. Let the public be armed.

    Many years ago an actor named Robert Blake co-starred in a movie titled In Cold Blood. They committed senseless murders. At the end they were taken to an old aircraft hangar in the middle of Kansas and hung.
    He also murdered his wife, but got away with it.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • horselipshorselips Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    ENOUGH ALREADY. It's legal to carry here but not there, the biz gets to decide, blah, blah, blah - it's all BEE ESS. As we now know, Islamic State terrorists are here. The time for polite discourse is over - we have been overtaken by events. Everybody needs to carry, everywhere, every time, every day. The next time a jihadist barges into any venue - public, private, or governmental, and starts shooting, he has to be met with twenty guns shooting back at him.

    Civil disobedience is called for, it's time to go full-**** 'Rosa Parks' for the right to self defense. Millions of us. They can't arrest us all. The right to bear arms is more than a civil rights issue, it's a national security issue and an individual survival issue. I'm not looking for legal trouble, I won't announce I'm carrying where I'm not supposed to, but I will quietly, discreetly carry wherever I am likely to come into the presence of any other person. And if I'm the lucky one who gets busted for it, so be it, see you in court. It begins now, because it must, because the enemy is already past the gates, and is among us.

    There can't be any more soft targets. We all have to make everywhere we are a hard target. A very, very hard target. All it will take is one terrorist attack defeated by armed citizens before the police can show up, and the gun makers won't be able to churn out carry guns fast enough. And the laws restricting law-abiding armed citizens will fall.

    Saying we can carry in some places and not in others is akin to Jim Crow laws for black citizens, and it has to end.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Amen to that !
    Now go forth with that message !
    Defense does NOT end at a front door, and should NOT stop at a State border, that is where the States rights people have it all wrong !
    Imagine if the States had say over the First amendment ?
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    He also murdered his wife, but got away with it.

    Yep bigger n OJ! Another example of "Money Talks and BS Walks!"
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    ENOUGH ALREADY. It's legal to carry here but not there, the biz gets to decide, blah, blah, blah - it's all BEE ESS. As we now know, Islamic State terrorists are here. The time for polite discourse is over - we have been overtaken by events. Everybody needs to carry, everywhere, every time, every day. The next time a jihadist barges into any venue - public, private, or governmental, and starts shooting, he has to be met with twenty guns shooting back at him.

    Civil disobedience is called for, it's time to go full-**** 'Rosa Parks' for the right to self defense. Millions of us. They can't arrest us all. The right to bear arms is more than a civil rights issue, it's a national security issue and an individual survival issue. I'm not looking for legal trouble, I won't announce I'm carrying where I'm not supposed to, but I will quietly, discreetly carry wherever I am likely to come into the presence of any other person. And if I'm the lucky one who gets busted for it, so be it, see you in court. It begins now, because it must, because the enemy is already past the gates, and is among us.

    There can't be any more soft targets. We all have to make everywhere we are a hard target. A very, very hard target. All it will take is one terrorist attack defeated by armed citizens before the police can show up, and the gun makers won't be able to churn out carry guns fast enough. And the laws restricting law-abiding armed citizens will fall.

    Saying we can carry in some places and not in others is akin to Jim Crow laws for black citizens, and it has to end.

    Well said and right on Labia na Kabailla! (That's Not Spanish)
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Yep bigger n OJ! Another example of "Money Talks and BS Walks!"

    I remember when he played a cop in Barretta? Sammy Davis I believe, sang the show's opening theme song. One of the lines was "Don't do the crime if you can't do the Crime" He did the opposite and walked away a free man, thanks to shyster lawyers.
    Oh, and stupid jurors.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    I remember when he played a cop in Barretta? Sammy Davis I believe, sang the show's opening theme song. One of the lines was "Don't do the crime if you can't do the Crime" He did the opposite and walked away a free man, thanks to shyster lawyers.
    Oh, and stupid jurors.
    And a little money in the right pockets!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • HappySquidHappySquid Posts: 461 Member
    Good points all, but meanwhile on the left...A Judge who was on "Morning Joe" the other day summarized what the "Common Denominator" in all the recent mass murder/shootings was...wait for it..........GUNS! He went on to spew drivel about our Lax gun laws in the United States, and how Europeans with their strict gun laws were safer than us. Where was this guy when Paris was under siege? RINO Joe commented that all the folks he knew that hunted since they were kids (that'd be a short list) commented on how "Nobody needs an AR assault weapon with a 30 rd. "clip" for hunting deer". I didn't realize that the discussion was about hunting. Their solution is to disarm law-abiding citizens and turning the entire country into a "Gun Free" zone! What Idiots!

    A little info: Though in Most of Europe one citizen can legally own a firearm for sports or hunting ( mostly shotguns/rifles) (( crap we're scr... or criminal here in the Netherlands)) It is waaaaay more easy ( know a Guy or just a phonecall away) to get anything from 7,65 pistol to real Full auto) AK47's for less than € 750,00 with at least 100 rnds thrown in ( illegal as Hell here, with at least 240 hrs community service if caught, same sentence as murder 2 btw; welcome in Lib-paradise :( )

    So; Why is Europe safer ?????????
  • waipapa13waipapa13 Posts: 961 Senior Member
    :agree: exactly the same here, run you a grand or two NZD and you have to know some very shady people, But a pistol can be had. The legal process for getting a pistol takes two years and then they can only be used on a registered range, criminals don't follow laws, only us law abiding citizens.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    waipapa13 wrote: »
    :agree: exactly the same here, run you a grand or two NZD and you have to know some very shady people, But a pistol can be had. The legal process for getting a pistol takes two years and then they can only be used on a registered range, criminals don't follow laws, only us law abiding citizens.

    That's the problem with all this libtard legislation. It doesn't work. All it does is disarmed the law abiding citizens. It's mindless.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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