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Anyone hunt horseback?
Armoredman Posts: 362 Member
My Christmas gift this year was, stunningly, a horse, a 7 year old roan saddle horse, not trained for firearms yet, and I'm not trained to ride him quite yet, either. Wondering if anyone here has anything to share about horseback hunting. I would like to do so sometime in the future when the both of us get properly trained.
I've seen some guys hunting coyote from horseback. That's the limit of my experience. Haha.
Remember a horse's hearing is actually more keen than a human so a sharp report is going to hurt his just like yours. Also I know you have already thought about it but flash and percussion from a firearm also can spook in addition. The cowboy mounted shooting events have lead to readily available earplugs for horses ... another something for you to get him use to. Think about him as yourself and also keep your field of fire away from his head.
We always played with our horses' ears from when they were foals so we could clean them and clip them. Again just handling time and getting them use to the buzz of clippers like hoof picks, farriers, etc.
If the horse is one with some calmness and has some working sense all it really takes is time and working him into it. Just take it at his pace and don't rush him because getting hi use to something new is way easy than trying to deal with something he is scared of already.
Spend as much time with him doing anything you can ... we get the mail so cars don't spook ours, set up a tent with loose side flaps so the movement is second nature, anything you think might spook a horse can be worked on slowly and dealt with most of the time. Just remember their hearing is like ours and protect it.
- George Orwell
Might just be easier to buy a suppressor
Man I get seasick ridin horses...:drool:...:silly:...:vomit:...:tooth:
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
I am finally in a place in Oregon where I can have one !
I didn't get seasick in deep swells in the deep blue during both Arctic and Pacific storms - this shouldn't be too bad. Of course, I've only graduated to the trot so far.
1. Buy ear plugs for your horse. What they can't hear all that well won't spook them nearly as badly.
2. Reins with blinders to keep stuff from the sides from spooking the horse.
3. Never, EVER, shoot directly over the horse's head, when mounted. Shoot from the side if you can't first dismount. Otherwise, you will be walking back, assuming you can walk. Actually, there's one more thing; some, but not all, horses get spooked by the smell of blood from another animal, so attempting to put cut up game carcass parts on the horse may make for interesting times.
― Douglas Adams
There is so much that goes in to working on horseback. I think you're right on track with learning to ride and handle your horse first, which can take a good while and a lot of riding. A horse will learn to trust you, if you treat him right and know how to handle him. When I first got my roan, I was 13 years old and he was a 2 year old gelding and he was a FIREBALL!!! He spooked at everything that moved and would jump out from under me if I wasn't ready for him, which I had to be pretty much all the time. I probably spent at least 20-30 hours per week on his back. We taught each other a heck of a lot, from team roping to just general horsemanship. He got to where he trusted me and I could get him to do things a lot of horses wouldn't. One of the things that I always did was make him face whatever spooked him. A plastic sack rattling in a bush would send him shooting sideways. As soon as I got him collected, I'd make him go to the plastic sack and look at it until he relaxed. I personally think working like that gets the horse to trusting you a whole lot more than not taking the time to teach him about what's around him.
As far as shooting, I never put ear plugs in my horses ears, but it's a good idea if you're gonna shoot anything that is really loud or if you plan to shoot quite a bit off of him. I started mine off, after we spent a lot of time just riding, with a 22 rifle, then went to a 22 pistol, then my Winchester 94 30-30. That's all I ever shot off of him. I kept my 30-30 in my saddle scabbard most of the time, just to have it, and kept my Single Six in a holster on my waist. Popped a lot of rabbits off of his back with both of those guns. As mentioned, I always shot to the side and never over his head. The most he would do was side step away from the side I was shooting until he got a little more used to it. And he'd get a little flinchy when he felt me reach from my revolver, which I worked out by just randomly reaching for it and not shooting it.
All that to say, if I was gonna get my son started in something like this, or anything related to working on a horse, I'd not let him proceed until he's spent so much time on that horses back that he has counted every hair in the horses mane several times and knows when one is missing.....Then he could start learning how to work.
Also, horses are pack animals. I demand that I am the alpha and that my horse will trust and follow me. Everything I do working with him reinforces that.
Just my $.02. Not a professional by any means, but I managed to stay alive and in one piece, for the most part. :guns:
I have been getting re-aquainted with horses, and so far as it seems to me, horses react to you in a way that reflects your actions and manner, the Brits always talk about being "Masterful" with animals, I guess that means Dominant or Alpha when dealing with dogs or horses.
Quote from John Lyons
"Just as a horse has his place in the herd, you'll have a place in your horse's social order. To the horse, you are not a person, you are just a two legged animal. If your horse bites you, he's telling you that you are lower in the pecking order than he is. Whether or not he bites us is dependent upon his perception of where we fit in his social order. Just as he will bite one horse and not another, so he will bite one person and not another. Other signs that the horse thinks he is above you in the pecking order include: walking all over you while you're leading him, walking off when you're saddling him, throwing his ears back at you, kicking, or turning his head elsewhere when you ask for his attention. Don't worry about establishing dominance over the horse, just make sure you get the right answers to the questions you ask. The important thing is not that we think we are higher in the pecking order, but what the horse thinks. For instance, if the horse steps on our foot, we'll slap him and make a big ruckus so the incident is not pleasant for him either. When something becomes important for you, it becomes important to the horse. If it's not important to you, it will never be important to your horse. We need to crawl inside the horse's mind to tell him that we're higher in the pecking order than he is. We can learn from watching other horses in the pasture how they establish their order."
A personal example of mine is; I had a buckskin mare at one time that had an attitude with me. She took some working with to get over it. One of the things she did was, every time I'd feed her, she'd pin her ears back at me and rush the feeder when I approached it. This told me that this mare thought she was my boss and, in human terms, she was demanding the food from me. Not only that, but she was saying "You have my food! Give it to me now or else!!!!" In a horse's world, social order is really put to the test when it comes to food. I would not stand to have this mare acting this way toward me and she got a lesson right then and there, before she got her food.
Again, just my way of thinking based on what I've learned. It is an interesting subject.
IF I were to hunt from horseback, I think I would use it only for transportation to and from the place I wanted to hunt, and as a pack animal if I got something. I can't imagine shooting from the back of a horse, although I know it's done.
That's all I have to offer, and it's worth every nickel is costs.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
What you said makes perfect sence and actually coincides with everything I have inexpertly observered over the years!
Horses don't try to bite me, I suppose it is for the same reasons in your excellent discussion.
Life member of the American Legion, the VFW, the NRA and the Masonic Lodge, retired LEO
I have the Horsemanship Fundamentals from Carson James and have been introduced to Rick Gore online. This is only the third time I've been on him, and the first i got him to a trot on my own. I had NO idea how much body language is in riding a horse. This is going to be a fun journey!
Yes, he cribs, but oddly enough he didn't crib a single time with me today, not during grooming, nothing.
- George Orwell
I love horses !
Horses have always seemed to like me well enough too !
Lots of horses where I am at now......
BTW, even though that horse is not a gun, you still get a :yousuck: to the tength power Amoredman, and you look like a proper. Southern cowpoke in the saddle !
And yes, I did notice......