Federal 115 gr JHP

bowserb

I guess this is Federal's equivalent of Winchester white box JHP. After seeing a fairly impressive test on YouTube, I thought I'd give this a try. At $15 for a box of 50, it's a hollowpoint I can afford to practice with, so I bought a few boxes to try from SGAmmo. What I'm not sure about is whether this their regular JHP or a special product, as it was advertised as "Government contract ammo XM9001".

I took it to an indoor range with some WWB JHP, American Eagle 115 gr FMJ, and new (not reman) Freedom Munitions 115gr FMJ. All were shot in a Glock 19. Overall, the first thing I was reminded of was how uncomfortable the Glock is to shoot. I've been spoiled by Sig's ergo grips. The other thing was that, while not listed or identified on the box as +P, the Federal XM9001 had a noticeably louder report and greater recoil than the other rounds. I also shot it less consistently than the others, that is larger groups and more flyers. I wanted to try some more to see if I just needed to adjust to the round, but I had only one box with me.

Has anyone knowledge of this "government contract" round? It's out of stock at SGAmmo now, but if I can master it, it might be worth stocking up on, assuming there is more to be had. I also bought some in .45, but I haven't tried it yet.

DoctorWho

I have a Glock 17,. I still need to learn how uncomfortable it is to shoot, giggle.........

bowserb

DoctorWho wrote: »

I have a Glock 17,. I still need to learn how uncomfortable it is to shoot, giggle.........

My comment was probably unfair. I carried a Sig P227 and really like their E2 grips. The difference is as though Glock (Also SA and others) designs its grip from the magazine outward, while the Sig E2 is designed from the hand inward. The former approach can maximize mag capacity, while the latter makes the gun more fun to shoot. Example might be the G21 or SA XDM-45, both .45acp with 13 round mags, while the Sig P227 is nearly as large but with a 10 round mag. I can shoot the P227 all day...or at least I could, if I could afford a day's worth of ammo regularly...while with the G19, I'm OK with leaving when my hour is up.

On the Federal XM9001 govt contract ammo, I did more research and learned it is made for the RCMP, eh. It is indeed +P, which explains how it sounded and felt. Also, my "notify me when back in stock" request was answered by SGAmmo, so I ordered another 1,000 rounds. The G19 is such a good carry pistol in most respects (light weight yet still a 4" barrel, rail, 15 round mag, and full 3-finger grip), I'm just going to have to get used to it again. While a good compromise and way better for me than the Glock subcompacts, it is not nearly as nice a shooter as the G17, which feels a lot better in the hand but is a little chunky as a carry pistol. I carried the G19 for four years, then sold it to a friend when I went "all 45". Then two years later, I won a G19 in a drawing I didn't even know I had entered. With the price of ammo bottoming at a higher level than I had hoped, it seemed that Karma had stepped in to make me reconsider 9mm.

DoctorWho

If you have a Gen lll Glock, look at the lone wolf frame, it is a way different profile and accepts the stock Glock slide & barrel with the exception of a few oddball parts that lone wolf normally stocks......


https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=844599&TERM=Glock%2019%20frame

bowserb

DoctorWho wrote: »

If you have a Gen lll Glock, look at the lone wolf frame, it is a way different profile and accepts the stock Glock slide & barrel with the exception of a few oddball parts that lone wolf normally stocks......
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=844599&TERM=Glock%2019%20frame

Thanks. It is a Gen 3. It looks like someone else has noticed the G19's grip improvement potential. I've sent an inquiry to Lone Wolf R&D to check compatibility with my Cominolli thumb safety. Looks good.
Thanks again.

bowserb

knitepoet wrote: »

Looking at pics of the XM9001 ammo, it looks a lot like the 9BPLE bullet, which was "the" 9mm a few years back. Is it? I have no clue :uhm:
IIRC I've tested the 9BPE load a few years ago and it performed well in wet newsprint.
I've found it in stock in a few more places, just google xm9001 ammo, Target sports usa has some in stock currently for the $14.99/box and some places are more expensive ($19.99/box)
Nope, what I tested was the +P+ 9BPLE

There's a YouTube test in ballistic gel that looked really good. I found it when checking for performance of the IMI hollowpoints, which did not expand at all in gel, btw. The Xm9001, according to a former gunshop owner at stoppingpower.net, is +P, which would be consistent with how it sounded and felt. SGAmmo is $15.95 a single box of 50 or $14.95 in quantities of 20+ boxes, which is what I ordered. Now all I need is a horse and fancy uniform, eh?

DoctorWho

I am really curious to see what the FBI is going to choose, now that they are going to 9mm,
Will it be a lighter faster 9mm or a heavier slower 9mm ???

breamfisher

There's this thing called "Google" where you can search such information, quite easily. It's the 147 gr. Speer Gold Dot G2.

http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/news/2015/11/02/fbi-going-back-to-9mm-ammunition.aspx

bisley

breamfisher wrote: »

There's this thing called "Google" where you can search such information, quite easily. It's the 147 gr. Speer Gold Dot G2.

http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/news/2015/11/02/fbi-going-back-to-9mm-ammunition.aspx

Did you detect any ignorant comments in that article?

I prefer the 147 grain, personally. I have four 9x19's that shoot to POA with it in my hand loads and a pretty good variety of factory ammo, and I shoot it more accurately than the 115 grain powder puffs that I usually practice with.

breamfisher

bisley wrote: »

Did you detect any ignorant comments in that article?

I prefer the 147 grain, personally. I have four 9x19's that shoot to POA with it in my hand loads and a pretty good variety of factory ammo, and I shoot it more accurately than the 115 grain powder puffs that I usually practice with.

Several. Didn't bother to count them, but, yeah... there were quite a few. I referenced the article as it was a online magazine article, not a forum post. But everything I've read said the same thing: Speer Gold Dot G2, 147 gr.

As for me and my carry ammo, I tend to carry Speer Gold Dot or Hornady TAP, both in 147 gr., when I carry my 9mm. Which is rare. Just like my 1911s better...

DoctorWho

That was a STUPID article,

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation is returning to the ammunition caliber it labeled ineffective and blamed for the deaths of two of its agents during a 1986 shootout in Miami — the 9mm jacketed hollow-point luger."

oh gee most of the agents were armed with .38 special revolvers ?

Of the eight agents at the scene, two had Remington 870 shotguns in their vehicles (McNeill and Mireles), three were armed with semi-automatic Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistols (Dove, Grogan, and Risner), and the rest were armed with Smith & Wesson revolvers. Two of the agents had backup revolvers (Hanlon and Risner) and both would use them at some point during the fight.

Now almost 30 years later, I am sure it is very SAFE to say todays 9 mm ammo is much much better than what was in use by the FBI in 1986.

And to add, I have been testing various types of 9mm ammo recently putting down hogs of various sizes with my Glock 17 ....

Not very spectacular, so I will pick up a few boxes of that 147 gr. Speer Gold Dot G2 and see how well it performs, the next few hogs I dispatch.

early

I think at one time the 147gr ammunition was loaded to inadequate pressures resulting in numerous failures. This is a long time in the rearview mirror. Used to be a member here in St Louis that said American 9mm had a history of being under loaded. No longer an issue at all it seems

I read Ayoobs conclusions about that Miami shootout. Multiple factors involved. I think today's hi-cap 9s with modern ammo including the Speer load may been a wonderful companion for the agents involved.