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Uncle FesterUncle Fester Posts: 1,644 Senior Member
As I am planning my conversion to Yankee deer hunting, I have discovered that there are some tracts of land that may be available to me that are "Shotgun only."

Although I have a Browning (New Model) A5 for birds, (a) I don't think they make a slug barrel for it and (b) I have never tried to fire a slug out of it.

Looking at slug shotguns available in my area, I have never seen a used one for sale.

- On the new side, there are new Remington 870 Express slug setups available. Simply put, I won't be buying any recent vintage Remington/Marlin guns until they get their QC up to acceptable standards.
- There are some decent deals on Mossberg "Combo" setups. But, I can't find any slug only setups local. If possible, I'd like to get a slug only setup.
- This setup will be in the nature of a "Plan B" setup until I decide if those tracts are worth hunting. I want to keep costs down.

Questions/Ideas:
(1) The "extra" land is heavily wooded. Assuming a shot under 50 yards, would a rifled barrel matter "that much?" If I went with the A5 smoothbore setup for a year, what kind
(2) what about something like this: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/shotguns/ultraslug.asp
(3) used Rem/Mossberg off of someplace like Gunbroker?

Thanks in advance. I have never been a shotgun guy (and probably never will be).

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  • earlyearly Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    My Mossberg 88 18.5 CB barrel hit the bullseye @ 50 yards from a rest and within two inches freehand with Remington Foster type slugs. No sights, just a bead.

    Buy some slugs and give that ol' humpback a whirl. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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  • NNNN Posts: 25,235 Senior Member
    You just have to shoot some and see.

    My 58 full choke Remington was dead on at 50 yds with foster slugs.

    Do you have screw in chokes, there are screw in rifled choke tubes.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I used to shoot Fosters slugs (sp?) Disambiguation requested, lol, out of a Remington 1100 shotgun cylinder choke, Rifle sights, very accurate at 100 yards, center of a pie plate, good groups....around 1 inch.....

    BTW I was not shooting from a rest, just standing with a good heavy leather sling, and not taking great aim either, just casual shooting and had no problem putting all shots within a fist sized group, puny fist BTW !
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • JermanatorJermanator Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    What state are you hunting?
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  • NNNN Posts: 25,235 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I used to shoot Forsters slugs (sp?) Disambiguation requested, lol, out of a Remington 1100 shotgun cylinder choke, title sights, very accurate at 100 yards, center of a pie plate, good groups....around 1 inch.....
    I have, too, though never had to shoot more than 25 yds with a 1100.
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Posts: 1,644 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    What state are you hunting?

    The Peoples Republic of CT.

    Although I have a line on private land to hunt, centerfire rifle hunting is severely limited throughout the state.

    Given the size of the state, that is probably a good idea.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I will say this, I was very confident in the accuracy of both slug and shotgun to easily hit a deer accurately killing it DRT with one well placed shot......
    Practice with the ammo you will use and sight it in, never used a scope with slugs since the Rifle sights worked so well for me.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Posts: 1,644 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I used to shoot Fosters slugs (sp?) Disambiguation requested, lol, out of a Remington 1100 shotgun cylinder choke, Rifle sights, very accurate at 100 yards, center of a pie plate, good groups....around 1 inch.....

    BTW I was not shooting from a rest, just standing with a good heavy leather sling, and not taking great aim either, just casual shooting and had no problem putting all shots within a fist sized group, puny fist BTW !

    Thanks. Until I get a better hang on the rules around here (written and unwritten), I figure the A5 was a good way to start.
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Shop the bargain rack at the LGS for a "used but not abused" Remington or Mossberg pump, and add something like this:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Remington-870-20-Gauge-Fully-Rifled-Deer-Slug-Barrel-Scope-7595-/231793641368?hash=item35f7fa4798

    No point in buying a brand new one- - - -it's hard to wear out a pump gun!
    Jerry
  • tennmiketennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    I shot a lot of deer at 50 yards and further with a smoothbore Rem. 870 with rifle sights and did well. If your A5 accepts choke tubes, a rifled choke tube can help grouping quite a bit.
    Here's a link to a rifled barrel for the A5:

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/461857/hastings-paradox-slug-barrel-browning-a-5-12-gauge-2-3-4-24-rifled-with-rifle-sights-blue

    You could get a Mossberg 500 with a slug barrel for that price, though. Have a LGS order one for you if they don't stock it.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    The Peoples Republic of CT.

    Although I have a line on private land to hunt, centerfire rifle hunting is severely limited throughout the state.

    Given the size of the state, that is probably a good idea.

    No, it's just YAM DANKEE disease ....
    Somewhat contagious, it only affects simpleminded YAM DANKEES as they have little natural immunity to YAM DANKEE disease and a genetic predisposition to such diseases........ lol

    :jester:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • JermanatorJermanator Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    The Peoples Republic of CT.
    Gotcha. I know Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana changed their laws where you can use rifles with straight walled cases but haven't heard anything about Connecticut.

    To go on the cheap and it will probably get you pretty solid out to 50 yards, use your regular shotgun with Foster slugs and get some Williams Fire Sights to clip on the rib.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • sherwoodsherwood Posts: 1,224 Senior Member
    Used to shoot Fosters in my 870 with slug choke. Never a problem. Then tried the Remingto copper sabots and had a lot of problems until I found out I had part of a bad lot. Bought news ones and the problem went away. Then I bought a slug barrel 870 and it was the best thing I ever did. Accurate and more fun to shoot.
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  • Gene LGene L Posts: 12,815 Senior Member
    A friend of mine competes in NC in firearms competitions for Seniors. He's like a champion shooter. He shoots smoothbores at 50 yards and gets excellent accuracy. I don't know what kind of slugs he shoots, he told me but I don't remember. With open sights he can get head shots all the time. They're a different game from what I grew up with.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Posts: 18,356 Senior Member
    Shotguns...even those from the same manufacturer can have different tastes as to what they will digest successfully...get a few boxes from different companies and see what it likes best....since you're shooting a smoothbore, stay away from sabot slugs...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    To answer for Question #1: once you find a slug load that shoots well with your smoothbore gun, you should be getting more than acceptable accuracy to make 50 yards kills. I killed a PA doe with my smoothbore Benelli Super Black Eagle II at 108 yards this season. Unless your gun is exceptionally accurate on paper at that kind of distance, I would NOT advise shooting that far (and I won't be doing that with my gun/ammo combo, as I just barely kept the slug in the kill zone), but 50 yards and a shade father? That should be no problem.

    Test, test test. Buy at least 3 or 4 options and test them from the bench on a stable base just as you would a target rifle. When you find the one that works best, go back to the store and buy as much as you will need for several seasons.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • sakodudesakodude Posts: 4,881 Senior Member
    I have had best results out of multiple smooth bore shotguns with the Winchester foster loads and the Federal Tru-ball.
    Tried many others but these two were the best consistent performers for me.

    Sako
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Shotguns...even those from the same manufacturer can have different tastes as to what they will digest successfully...get a few boxes from different companies and see what it likes best....since you're shooting a smoothbore, stay away from sabot slugs...

    What you said Jayhawker, I have a Browning A-5 and mine likes Remington foster slugs. I can keep them on a pie plate to 60-75 yds. or so. Under 50 yds. I get 2" groups. That A-5 may surprise you Fester. The key is finding which Foster slugs your gun likes, just like figuring out a .22....except for all the brutal recoil.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Posts: 12,419 Senior Member
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  • jbohiojbohio Posts: 5,618 Senior Member
    I've used slug guns all my life, it's all we can use.
    I'd keep your shiny Browning safe, get a used 870, smoothbore slug barrel, with rifle sights.
    The rifle sights make all the difference.
    They're everywhere here, every used rack in every gun shop is full of them.
    Especially since most law enforcement agencies have upgraded to ARs, all their old shotguns have slug barrels. Gunbroker, or a LGS that ships.
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    If I had to hunt deer or hogs with a shotgun, I would use my 20 gauge 870 Express with the 20" rifled slug barrel and Burris Fast-Fire red dot installed. It makes very clean (think wadcutter) ~1/2" holes in 3/4" plywood (with sabot slugs), about 2"-3" apart at 100 yards, and kicks the snot out of you, in the process. I bought the rifled barrel from Remington to put on an extended tube, 18-1/2" barreled Model 870 that I bought for a home defense gun. I intended to walk the river bottoms with it, shooting hogs, but never got around to it, so I put the smooth bore barrel back on it.

    I have no idea what the ballistics compare to, in a rifle, but I'm fairly sure a good hit on a deer or hog would put it down, quickly, and that the accuracy would be adequate, inside 100 yards, or maybe even a little more.
  • FreezerFreezer Posts: 2,751 Senior Member
    Bullsi1911 beat me to it. In addition if the law there is the same in some areas of Pa it says "No center fire rifles". You can us inline, percussion and flintlock ML firearms. The NEF will give you both in line and rifled slug. It also opens up the idea of a good In Line rifle or ML. Investigate the local laws.
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  • Great OutdoorsGreat Outdoors Posts: 326 Member
    my friends and I have hunted with slugs a good bit, most regular shotguns with just a bead are good to 75 yards for a pie plate( deer kill zone size) with foster style slugs, as with anything you need to check groups.
    The same shotguns were usually good at 100 yards with a brenneke style slug, pie plate accuracy.

    we call pie plate accuracy as being able to hit a pie plate( or paper plate) 5 out of 5 shots- they come 5 to a box.

    a hit in the vitals always resulted in a dead deer.
    1 ounce is all you need.
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