This could happen here one day.

terminator012terminator012 Senior MemberPosts: 3,858 Senior Member
Long read but it made me think of how this could easily happen the way things are in the USA now.



Just a Shotgun


You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.

Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.

You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day's headline says it all:

"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up, then the international media.

The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you..

Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term...

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.

The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.


Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.

Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.

(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.

Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.


Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.

The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.

Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.

Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,

"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times,

and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences.

Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law.

The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?

The guns had been registered and licensed.

Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."

--Samuel Adams

If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.

You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here, if he can get it done

The UN Small Arms Treaty that Hilary is negotiating would take away our 2nd Amendment rights.

And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.
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  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member Posts: 313 Member
    Good read! Reminds me of Bernhard Goetz whom leftists dubbed as the "Subway Vigilante" way back in the early 80s when he shot four thugs who were about to beat him.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,259 Senior Member
    Good read! Reminds me of Bernhard Goetz whom leftists dubbed as the "Subway Vigilante" way back in the early 80s when he shot four thugs who were about to beat him.

    Except he did not get convicted of muder. I think they filed some handgun charge but that was it.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member Posts: 313 Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    Except he did not get convicted of muder. I think they filed some handgun charge but that was it.

    True. My point however is what Terminator said in the fact that the left always runs to the aid of the perpetrator instead of the victim.
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    So, you live in a society where criminals do not kill fellow criminals with illegally held firearms.

    In what part of the land of the free do you abode............... Second star to the right and straight on till morning?


    Nice bit of fiction, but.

    Martin was a criminal.

    And guess what, he still is.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35206113

    31 December 2015

    "Farmer Tony Martin, who was jailed after a fatal shooting in 1999, has been arrested on suspicion of illegal firearm possession.......

    Norfolk police said, in a statement: "As part of a planned operation, a 71-year-old man has been arrested in Wisbech this morning on suspicion of possession of an illegal firearm."

    Martin was released in 2003, after serving three years of his five-year sentence.





    Dunblane 13 March 1996, one school massacre.

    None before, none since.................ONE!

    Maybe we are doing something right.

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,099 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    So, you live in a society where criminals do not kill fellow criminals with illegally held firearms.

    In what part of the land of the free do you abode............... Second star to the right and straight on till morning?


    Nice bit of fiction, but.

    Martin was a criminal.

    And guess what, he still is.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35206113

    31 December 2015

    "Farmer Tony Martin, who was jailed after a fatal shooting in 1999, has been arrested on suspicion of illegal firearm possession.......

    Norfolk police said, in a statement: "As part of a planned operation, a 71-year-old man has been arrested in Wisbech this morning on suspicion of possession of an illegal firearm."

    Martin was released in 2003, after serving three years of his five-year sentence.





    Dunblane 13 March 1996, one school massacre.

    None before, none since.................ONE!

    Maybe we are doing something right.

    Nope.

    Other means are simply used.

    What firearms did he illegally possess? What frivolous gun laws made him a criminal?

    What's England's mental hospital system like? It ain't the guns that cause America's shootings. If you're going to imply that, happily delete your account on this American gun forum.

    From 1972 - 2010 there's been at least 12 bombings in the UK, one was a fire bombing in the 80s of a nightclub perpetrated by a patron who got kicked out.

    August 19, 1987, a shooting massacre, too. Don't leave that one out.

    It's seems your gun-less countrymen prefer bombing people to shooting them.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,099 Senior Member
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,099 Senior Member
    Aaaaaaaaanddd.....this one. 3 months ago.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-34499730
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,099 Senior Member
    Here's an article about the 18th stabbing death of the year in 2015...

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/24/teenager-stabbed-holloway-18th-to-die-in-london-this-year
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,099 Senior Member
    Maybe as many as 350 knife wounds a day in England? 14000 knives used in robberies in a year? Up to 350,000 knife brandishings a year?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036154/A-knife-attack-4-minutes-130-000-year--ministers-insist-crime-rates-falling.html

    Dude...y'all are doing something wrong.

    Many stabbing victims are teenagers...one article in 2015 used the word "epidemic".
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    Nope.

    Other means are simply used................................ Other means.......... that's it?

    What firearms did he illegally possess?.................. A pump-action 12 bore shotgun, that he claims to have found.( they are lying around everywhere.)

    What frivolous gun laws made him a criminal?...............frivolous to whom?



    His shotgun certificate had been revoked in 1994 after he shot a hole in the back of a man's car, he had found the man scrumping for apples in his orchard, his life was not being threatened by the apple thief.

    Should have got jail for that.

    Martin had equipped himself illegally with a Winchester Model 1300.

    You require a valid shotgun certificate to own a shotgun.

    To own a shotgun with a magazine capacity of more than two rounds you require a firearms certificate, a very different beast.

    He had neither.

    That was a criminal act.







    What's England's mental hospital system like?............Damn sight better than your, I think. Where firearm ownership is concerned.

    It ain't the guns that cause America's shootings......... No.... Really?

    If you're going to imply that..................But you can imply that the gun laws of my country are "frivolous"

    happily delete your account on this American gun forum....................... Tell you what.
    Why do you not put that forward to the Moderators.

    I will have no choice but to abide by their decision.

    Free and open debate are not part of your vocabulary, patently.


    JasonMPD wrote: »
    .......From 1972 - 2010 there's been at least 12 bombings in the UK.........

    Terrorist incidents?

    Straw clutching a bit, no?

    Would you like to take into account the innocent women and children the Irish freedom fighters killed.

    Just to get the count up.

    JasonMPD wrote: »
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    Aaaaaaaaanddd.....this one. 3 months ago.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-34499730


    And this relates to school shootings how?

    And the knife attacks relate to firearms, how?

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,889 Senior Member
    We'll just have to go back to swords.
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,549 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Free and open debate are not part of your vocabulary, patently.

    As a free people, we still reserve the right to arm ourselves against threats to ourselves, our families, our property, and our freedom. We depend upon the courts to exonerate us for any such actions, and we are battling hard to hold on to these rights, politically and in the courts. Our ancestors fought for that right when most of this country was still a frontier, and their descendants did what was necessary to preserve those rights for a couple of centuries, and we still are, today. Our system of government is imperfect, but we are still more free than most, and intend to remain so.

    I fully appreciate that England has it's own heritage, and that the law is sacred to its citizens. To us, freedom is more sacred, and the law cannot require citizens to give up their human right to self defense, out of fear for the safety of those too meek to defend themselves properly against those who intend to violate our personal freedom. We are just different that way, and neither of us is likely to change.

    It doesn't mean that we can't still be loyal friends and allies. It just means that we will not agree, and discussing it will result in a certain amount of strife.
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    As a free people, we still reserve the right to arm ourselves against threats to ourselves, our families, our property, and our freedom........
    I fully appreciate that England has it's own heritage, and that the law is sacred to its citizens.

    English law permits one person to kill another in self-defence only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force"

    Self-Defence and Reasonable force;

    An individual is entitled to protect themselves or others;

    They may inflict violence and/or use weapons to do so;

    The level of violence may include killing the assailant; and,

    an individual may even act pre-emptively and still be found to have acted in self-defence."


    This was not the case with Mr. Martin, ambush and retribution only.


    If falsehoods are left unquestioned, deception becomes truth.

    bisley wrote: »
    It doesn't mean that we can't still be loyal friends and allies. It just means that we will not agree, and discussing it will result in a certain amount of strife.

    Well said. :up:

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,549 Senior Member
    If you would go a little further to describe the facts in the Martin case, your position would be clearer. The first reaction (here) is to assume that it was a simple home invasion that was defended against by some tough old bird who just wouldn't put up with it - a fairly common occurrence in this country, and not judged harshly by most folks. We are not as densely packed, and tend to defend our space vigorously, in recent years.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,045 Senior Member
    Good read! Reminds me of Bernhard Goetz whom leftists dubbed as the "Subway Vigilante" way back in the early 80s when he shot four thugs who were about to beat him.
    I lived in Long Island New York when that happened, and handgun permits were always difficult to get there, and almost impossible in NYC. It was the liberal NY media that branded him a "vigilante" but the fed up New York public was more sympathetic to self defense from the increasing crime rate happening in NYC subways, which is most likely why he was treated more fairly than he otherwise might have been.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,099 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Free and open debate are not part of your vocabulary, patently.





    Terrorist incidents?

    Straw clutching a bit, no?

    Would you like to take into account the innocent women and children the Irish freedom fighters killed.

    Just to get the count up.






    And this relates to school shootings how?

    And the knife attacks relate to firearms, how?

    Yea some of those bombings where terrorism, but some were domestic crimes; like the night club firebombing.

    What does this have to do with school shootings? Everything to do with violence and nought to do with the implement. Knives take the place of guns in the absence of guns or other such things. Clubs take the place of knives, etc.

    It's a human problem.

    I have 4 bone chillingly evil 12 gauge shotguns that haven't up and killed anyone on their own.

    A pump shotgun "permit"....pffft....spare me your sympathy for dictatorships.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Shush......... , thank you.

    No, no.............


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    Thank you.

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member Posts: 313 Member
    NN wrote: »
    We'll just have to go back to swords.

    Ah! The good ol' days! I actually like the flaming tar being fired from a trebuchet!
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,719 Senior Member
    Ah! The good ol' days! I actually like the flaming tar being fired from a trebuchet!

    Meh, it is hard to get it out of your clothes when you spill it.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,099 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    No, no.............


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    Thank you.

    The totality of the bliss and awesomeness of living with the US Constitution cannot be known unless you live here. My favorite LGS is owned by a former English Subject now a US Citizen. He came here in the 90s and only goes back to visit his Mum twice a year. He has a massive reproduction copy of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution on the wall and can out duel damn near anyone on Founding Father quotes.

    He holds a few English traditions close to his heart still, but NONE of those include it's government.

    Taxes, permits, rules rules rules rules....the English way. America is headed down the same handbasket to hell, but it's still the best damn country ever.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,259 Senior Member
    There is an English LGS owner here who stepped in it bigtime about Obamas latest gun control attempt. He came out and said he was in favor of it because why should people be able to make money on guns w/o an FFL when he has to pay money to operate his business. He's been back peddling ever since but I think this is going to hurt him in the pocketbook. He's had to shutdown his facebook page and website comments. Overpriced place anyhow.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    My favorite LGS is owned by a former English Subject............. He holds a few English traditions close to his heart still..........

    Winding people up not one of them though, heh?

    Very nice he comes home to see his mum. :up:

    Say hello to him next time you see him, from one of the downtrodden, unclean masses.


    PS.
    Ask cpj Who the little girl is portraying.

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,540 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Maybe we are doing something right.


    I supprise myself with how much my opinion of you has changed with that simple statement.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    I supprise myself with how much my opinion of you has changed with that simple statement.

    I am aghast! :silly:

    See above.
    shush wrote: »
    Winding people up not one of them though, heh?

    Oh ye of little faith.

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Subtlety is a lost art. :confused:

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Shush, Your guns laws are frivolous. And stupid. .........


    Does this mean I should be cut to the quick. :yawn:


    PS.

    I am already aghast from Fisheadgib stinging comment, this might just push me over.

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,254 Senior Member
    Isn't this the classic Brit attitude when their government abuses them?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ

    :uhm:
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,465 Senior Member
    :applause: :win:

    Well played, my good man.
    Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,045 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Isn't this the classic Brit attitude when their government abuses them?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ

    :uhm:
    Jerry
    Yep...classic beat me, I love it! :yesno:
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    Except he did not get convicted of muder. I think they filed some handgun charge but that was it.

    Bernard Goetz was a double dumbass,

    1., he did not get charged for murder, or self defense, only possesion of an unregistered & unlicensed revolver.

    2. He was not being actively looked for by the NYCPD, ( lead Detective on the case ) he was not a suspect..... he turned himself in like the blithering imbecile that he was...... it was unofficially classified as a public service thingy....... (lead Detective)
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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