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Written essay required for gun permit?

GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior MemberRumford, MainePosts: 1,094 Senior Member
in Second Amendment/Politics #1
Seems Lowell, Massachusetts has deemed that you must write an essay stating why you need a gun when applying for a permit...

http://gunsnfreedom.com/ma-city-requires-written-essay-to-obtain-gun-permit/6277

And with that, I submit this to counter...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    #2
    I guess the 2nd amendment means nothing to some folks in Government.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Lake County, FloridaPosts: 7,927 Senior Member
    #3
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I guess the 2nd amendment means nothing to some folks in Government.
    You can apply that to just about every Demonrat.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    #4
    GunnerK19 wrote: »
    Seems Lowell, Massachusetts has deemed that you must write an essay stating why you need a gun when applying for a permit...

    http://gunsnfreedom.com/ma-city-requires-written-essay-to-obtain-gun-permit/6277

    And with that, I submit this to counter...

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

    What a bunch of libtards! I wonder if they take off for spelling and grammar? Maybe they think they can evaluate the applicants to insure they don't have any mental health issues. How many psychiatrists they have lined up to read all these? I wish this law could go before the SCOTUS.

    One question about this. Do cities in Massachusetts still make decisions on concealed carry permits? In Texas and most states this is a state law and city governments have no say in the matter of who gets a carry permit.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    #5
    snake284 wrote: »
    What a bunch of libtards! I wonder if they take off for spelling and grammar? Maybe they think they can evaluate the applicants to insure they don't have any mental health issues. How many psychiatrists they have lined up to read all these? I wish this law could go before the SCOTUS.

    Well, why not apply that law to every right, especially voting, free speech and so on. Right to happines? Tell us why you deserve it. How stupid.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    #6
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    Well, why not apply that law to every right, especially voting, free speech and so on. Right to happines? Tell us why you deserve it. How stupid.

    Amen to that BAMAAK, but don't say it too loud, the Libtard's will hear you and try to do just that!

    :tissue:........:silly:........:yikes:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    #7
    Make_My_Day wrote: »
    You can apply that to just about every Demonrat.

    "Demonrat" That's priceless Noel!

    :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    #8
    Imagine a permit in order to have babies ?

    Welfare mothers would have to write a 250 word essay on why they want, or need to get knocked up !

    ROFLMAO !

    No more rewards for cranking out more piglets !

    No more taxing the snot out of working stiffs in order to support herds of sows cranking out more piglets every year for increased welfare entitlements !
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Colorado!Posts: 7,719 Senior Member
    #9
    I had to write my name and address does that count?
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    #10
    Work harder !

    Millions of welfare mother Sows are depending on your tax dollars so they can crank out more piglets !
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,292 Senior Member
    #11
    I would not expect that this would hold up in court....I wonder if they talked to their city attorney before they did this?
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 14,041 Senior Member
    #12
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I would not expect that this would hold up in court....I wonder if they talked to their city attorney before they did this?
    Talk to a history teacher. Reminds me of the essay/literacy exams they used to use to keep some folks from voting.
    I'm just here for snark.
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Lima, PeruPosts: 2,986 Senior Member
    #13
    That has become common practice here; give you like a 10-line "fill the blank" paragraph space in the application paperwork to explain the reasons, and even allows you to add a sheet of paper if assigned space isn't enough. Needless to say, no matter how good your grammar and spelling, you need to add documents to back up your "needs" for a gun, such as copy of your income taxes declaration, a letter from your employer stating your position in the company, etc.
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  • bowserbbowserb Member Houston, TX USAPosts: 277 Member
    #14
    I wonder if they ever reply "You'll shoot your eye out."


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    "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history." - Ayn Rand
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    #15
    GunnerK19 wrote: »
    Seems Lowell, Massachusetts has deemed that you must write an essay stating why you need a gun when applying for a permit...

    http://gunsnfreedom.com/ma-city-requires-written-essay-to-obtain-gun-permit/6277

    And with that, I submit this to counter...

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

    Also, I remember studying that very US Code you posted while in a law class in college. It's pretty clear in the grand scheme of things. Now how to adjudicate its abusers?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member OregonPosts: 313 Member
    #16
    Dear Massachusetts,

    The Second Amendment is my permit.

    Sincerely,
    Jacques Me' Ouff
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    #17
    Does a written statement describing compelling need for CCW count as an essay ?
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Tarpon Springs FLPosts: 1,281 Senior Member
    #18
    My son just moved to Kaifornia ( Edwards AFB ) they also require a letter to the local sherrif outlining your NEED for CCW
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    #19
    breamfisher wrote: »
    Talk to a history teacher. Reminds me of the essay/literacy exams they used to use to keep some folks from voting.

    Don't forget the poll tax to vote back then, too. Sayin'.
      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 14,041 Senior Member
    #20
    tennmike wrote: »
    Don't forget the poll tax to vote back then, too. Sayin'.
    Oh, that's not forgotten, either.
    I'm just here for snark.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    #21
    104RFAST wrote: »
    My son just moved to Kaifornia ( Edwards AFB ) they also require a letter to the local sherrif outlining your NEED for CCW

    I don't agree with such a letter, I don't agree that you should have to pay, in order to excercise a Constaptional right, however, most people find out what are accepted reasons / type of letter is considered acceptable, and reproduce it with enough small differences to not resemble an exact copy of the original letter.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    #22
    breamfisher wrote: »
    Talk to a history teacher. Reminds me of the essay/literacy exams they used to use to keep some folks from voting.

    That's exactly why this should go before a higher court or the Supreme Court. You have to apply the law equally. If it's illegal to require a test or written assignment for one right, it is illegal for all rights.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    #23
    :angry:Totally un-constitional and highly illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "It is what it is":usa:
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    #24
    robert38-55 wrote: »
    :angry:Totally un-constitional and highly illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That's the way I see it Robert. It just doesn't pass legitimate Muster.

    As for a pole tax, I only wish our founders and Constitution Framers would have elaborated a bit on the thought that those who own property and those who work have a greater stake in this country than those that rely on government and handouts to get by. But back in that time how could they know? I don't think anyone except those totally disabled by age, sickness or injury didn't work. Welfare, as we know it today didn't exist

    A pole tax as it was back when it was outlawed mainly was to prevent certain races from voting, well in mass anyway. But a pole tax nowadays wouldn't affect any race as such because more blacks and other minorities work and own property these days. Those that don't work and depend on welfare and handouts aren't limited to any one race anymore.

    But a pole tax would cause those who don't work and have very limited funds to not pay it and not vote or at the least less of them would vote. This would help insure those elected to govern us would be more apt to pass laws and govern with the good of the country as a whole in mind.

    It wouldn't have to be a tax. Just make it where either you own property or you are gainfully employed. The socialist have engineered the mess we have nowadays where those that have not and don't work and live on government assistance can sway an election in a direction the majority of working Americans don't support. We pay the majority of taxes but have no say.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,292 Senior Member
    #25
    snake284 wrote: »
    T
    As for a pole tax,

    poll tax...unless you're talking about taxing fishing rods, flag poles, etc...
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,292 Senior Member
    #26
    I also see they are requiring nearly $1100 worth of classes to go along with the essay....It certainly seems like the police chief is working hard to keep guns out of the hands of "the common scum".... Jim Crow laws for gun owners....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    #27
    Look at all the HooHaa about what a pistol is, or what a rifle is, or how you CAN'T put a stock on a pistol (exceptions) or it becomes a SBR ! all this is moot, firearms should be one category !
    FELONS are exempt since they can't legally own firearms anyway, so let the rest of us own whatever we want !

    Get rid of the stupid term SPORTING in refference to firearms !!!

    There are enough contradictions in the Federal regulations on firearms to scrap all of it, if you could get the Courts to accept a case, and put together a legal team willing to work on it.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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