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Trump refuses last debate before Iowa vote

bisleybisley Senior MemberEast TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
Trump demanded that Fox News remove Megan Kelly from the moderator list. They refused, so he won't participate.

Everyone is spinning this differently. What's yours?
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member CA. Beach citiesPosts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Now how too get the others to not participate.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member OregonPosts: 313 Member
    For one, I'm sick and tired of celebrities or news drones acting as moderators. We need to return these debates to the American citizen.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    For one, I'm sick and tired of celebrities or news drones acting as moderators. We need to return these debates to the American citizen.


    That would be the Town Hall format. Most of the candidates are doing that, voluntarily.
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Miami, FL almost in the USA ;)Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    I unfortunately have to agree with Trump.

    Eight debates, and the broadcasters are making a killing. It would be a significant gesture if they donated their proceeds.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Western PAPosts: 8,233 Senior Member
    Someone stands up to him and he runs. Since he found out that in politics he cant buy agreement or pay for his BS to be carried, Megan Kelly scares him. A intelligent woman whos goal in life isnt to be arm candy for a rich guy just doesnt figure in.

    OR, Cruz does a lot better in debates than he is by his internal data and he is close enough that he needs to be in the spotlight yet not get his butt kicked again.

    So either way, the great compromiser (when he gets his way) cant handle the pressure of a debate where people don't fawn over him.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 14,034 Senior Member
    No matter what, this is giving what he wants: attention.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    I unfortunately have to agree with Trump.

    Eight debates, and the broadcasters are making a killing. It would be a significant gesture if they donated their proceeds.

    D

    How else are citizens going to choose between a dozen pretty good candidates? Without debates and news people asking questions, it's all about who has enough money to more effectively mis-characterize their opponents with TV ads. Would you prefer the Democrat Party system, where everyone marches in lockstep according to the party line, and the dog and pony shows that pass for their debates are held when they are least likely to be watched?
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,309 Senior Member
    No matter what, this is giving what he wants: attention.

    Bingo
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • NNNN Senior Member NCPosts: 25,221 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    How else are citizens going to choose between a dozen pretty good candidates? Without debates and news people asking questions, it's all about who has enough money to more effectively mis-characterize their opponents with TV ads. Would you prefer the Democrat Party system, where everyone marches in lockstep according to the party line, and the dog and pony shows that pass for their debates are held when they are least likely to be watched?
    As long as news people are fair and neutral during the debate proper afterward they can do their thing.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Thornton COPosts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Like him or not, guy's a marketing genius.

    Jack Webb and I are spin free.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    Trump has been attacking Cruz relentlessly for two weeks, with million dollar a day political ads that misrepresent a few small issues that amount to nothing, when examined fairly. Now, he vacates, rather than backing them up face-to-face, and blames it on a woman who he thinks is picking on him, for questioning legitimate statements from his past.

    Every other Republican candidate accepts the challenges of modern political campaigns, and faces them head-on. Even Chris Christie, with all of his liberal policies to defend against, has the balls to duke it out in front of a national audience. Trump has gotten away with blustering through every potentially embarrassing question, so far, but has now backed down for the first time. He claims that he is so popular that he could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot at someone, and he wouldn't lose a single point in the polls. So, I guess he believes he can coast through Iowa and New Hampshire.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,696 Senior Member
    Hmmm. . .it would seem that Trump and the primary news outlet for those who vote Republican just pissed in each other's Cheerios. That's not going to do Trump's electibility any favors.

    The point of the process is to see how the candidates address the uncomfortable questions. This guy is refusing to take the uncomfortable questions from a very popular news anchor from a Republican-leaning network. Perhaps his crew can't figure out how to spin not being able to charm or impress a smart & attractive woman in public? If he can't play with the big GIRLS from his own side, how's he going to do with the big BOYS from the other?

    My impression has always been that Trump - as a politician - is at least 95% hat and and at max 5% cowboy. That isn't changing with this thread.

    Honestly, the guy reminds me a lot of Obama - a massive, substance-lacking dose of what people want to hear. Isn't this toupee AWESOME?:roll:
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member OregonPosts: 313 Member
    Someone stands up to him and he runs. Since he found out that in politics he cant buy agreement or pay for his BS to be carried, Megan Kelly scares him. A intelligent woman whos goal in life isnt to be arm candy for a rich guy just doesnt figure in.

    OR, Cruz does a lot better in debates than he is by his internal data and he is close enough that he needs to be in the spotlight yet not get his butt kicked again.

    So either way, the great compromiser (when he gets his way) cant handle the pressure of a debate where people don't fawn over him.

    While I'm no Trump fan I have to disagree. Trump could care less about Megan Kelly. She's like any other news anchor; she simply reads pre-scripted nonsense from a teleprompter that's designed to divide and fracture. Sad thing is----its working as intended.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Between Ft Lauderdale and MiamiPosts: 12,556 Senior Member
    I have to agree with Trump on this one. I do not follow the debates closely, but from my point of view Ms. Kelly was not a moderator but an antagonist toward Mr. Trump. I do not believe "the Donald" is running away, but in this situation is unable to publicly ruin her, so he is taking a close to neutral exit. The media and celebrities have been trying to take control of our Government for a while and the media is getting close and celebrities have become extremely loud in politics. Next thing you know Jay z or Kanye West will be running for office.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member OregonPosts: 313 Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    I have to agree with Trump on this one. I do not follow the debates closely, but from my point of view Ms. Kelly was not a moderator but an antagonist toward Mr. Trump. I do not believe "the Donald" is running away, but in this situation is unable to publicly ruin her, so he is taking a close to neutral exit. The media and celebrities have been trying to take control of our Government for a while and the media is getting close and celebrities have become extremely loud in politics. Next thing you know Jay z or Kanye West will be running for office.

    Nailed it.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Western PAPosts: 8,233 Senior Member
    While I'm no Trump fan I have to disagree. Trump could care less about Megan Kelly. She's like any other news anchor; she simply reads pre-scripted nonsense from a teleprompter that's designed to divide and fracture. Sad thing is----its working as intended.
    Wrong.

    He SHOULD treat her like any other news anchor, but she stood up to him and called him out and he couldnt hang. Now he acts like a 13 year old drama queen.

    As to Kelly, her JOB is to see if those she interviews are what they say they are. I, for one like to see what happens when they get put under pressure in uncomfortable situations. Looks like Donny runs.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Western PAPosts: 8,233 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    I have to agree with Trump on this one. I do not follow the debates closely, but from my point of view Ms. Kelly was not a moderator but an antagonist toward Mr. Trump. I do not believe "the Donald" is running away, but in this situation is unable to publicly ruin her, so he is taking a close to neutral exit. The media and celebrities have been trying to take control of our Government for a while and the media is getting close and celebrities have become extremely loud in politics. Next thing you know Jay z or Kanye West will be running for office.

    If he cant handle a pundit, what does he do as Pres. when the dictator of lower Bumfikia tells him to pee up a rope? Leave? Cry? Go on TV and tell everyone that it is unfair? Call him names?
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Between Ft Lauderdale and MiamiPosts: 12,556 Senior Member
    Wrong.

    He SHOULD treat her like any other news anchor, but she stood up to him and called him out and he couldnt hang. Now he acts like a 13 year old drama queen.

    As to Kelly, her JOB is to see if those she interviews are what they say they are. I, for one like to see what happens when they get put under pressure in uncomfortable situations. Looks like Donny runs.

    Sorry you are mistaken. Her job was to be a moderator, not take either side. Her job was to ask questions and wait for an answer and keep the answers on subject and keep track of allotted time.

    She can take either side she desires and put people to their word outside of the debate forum.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Central MNPosts: 14,659 Senior Member
    Wrong.

    He SHOULD treat her like any other news anchor, but she stood up to him and called him out and he couldnt hang. Now he acts like a 13 year old drama queen.

    As to Kelly, her JOB is to see if those she interviews are what they say they are. I, for one like to see what happens when they get put under pressure in uncomfortable situations. Looks like Donny runs.
    If he cant handle a pundit, what does he do as Pres. when the dictator of lower Bumfikia tells him to pee up a rope? Leave? Cry? Go on TV and tell everyone that it is unfair? Call him names?
    Bigslug wrote: »
    Hmmm. . .it would seem that Trump and the primary news outlet for those who vote Republican just pissed in each other's Cheerios. That's not going to do Trump's electibility any favors.

    The point of the process is to see how the candidates address the uncomfortable questions. This guy is refusing to take the uncomfortable questions from a very popular news anchor from a Republican-leaning network. Perhaps his crew can't figure out how to spin not being able to charm or impress a smart & attractive woman in public? If he can't play with the big GIRLS from his own side, how's he going to do with the big BOYS from the other?

    My impression has always been that Trump - as a politician - is at least 95% hat and and at max 5% cowboy. That isn't changing with this thread.

    Honestly, the guy reminds me a lot of Obama - a massive, substance-lacking dose of what people want to hear. Isn't this toupee AWESOME?:roll:

    Yes, yes, and yes. I had no problem with Megan Kelly's questions, shows you how Trump is going to act as President when someone questions his policies and thought process. Don't have a good answer, attack the messenger.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Trump is an egotistical blowhard whose only claim to fame is being marginally less offensive than some of his competition. He simply can't stand to deal with anyone who refuses to be bowled over by his rhetoric. It's a macho thing, and Meagan Kelly dismisses that part of his schtick and holds his feet to the fire- - - - -something he can't stand!
    Jerry
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Lima, PeruPosts: 2,986 Senior Member
    No matter what, this is giving what he wants: attention.

    Exactly; guy is a media character.

    As we say down here, "I have no candle in this burial" but I think he was an idiot for not going. Only thing you do by refusing a fight, no matter how bad you can end up, is giving your enemies even more ammo against you.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member crusted in sandPosts: 5,797 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Yes, yes, and yes. I had no problem with Megan Kelly's questions, shows you how Trump is going to act as President when someone questions his policies and thought process. Don't have a good answer, attack the messenger.


    This is how I see it. If he was president and Pelosi, or Boxer, or that nut job woman from south Florida called him out on something, is he gonna storm out of the room? Then go on TV and call them names?
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member WyomingPosts: 2,035 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    How else are citizens going to choose between a dozen pretty good candidates? Without debates and news people asking questions, it's all about who has enough money to more effectively mis-characterize their opponents with TV ads. Would you prefer the Democrat Party system, where everyone marches in lockstep according to the party line, and the dog and pony shows that pass for their debates are held when they are least likely to be watched?
    That "party-line Lockstep" is the same thing the Republicans do. They do what the party wants. Democrat/Republican, same thing these days.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    Megan Kelly is a commentator - not a news anchor. A commentator has an opinion, whereas a news person should be neutral. The media has blurred that line, ever since Walter Cronkite came out of the closet with his pronouncement that the Viet Nam War could not be won, after the Tet Offensive decimated the NVA to the point that General Giap was distraught, and ready to quit. He influenced others (Dan Rather, for one) to do the same, and the die was cast for a liberal media.

    Megan Kelly used Trumps own words to formulate the question she asked, whether anyone likes it or not - no different from a thousand other questions that moderators have asked politicians. Politicians, with all their many flaws, accept this and weigh it before putting themselves in the public eye. Mostly, they use bait and switch tactics to brazen their way through, and mostly they get away with it. Trump has backed down, in a very public way, rather than take a chance on getting beat up. He knows he can't debate with Ted Cruz, on a level playing field, where sound bite responses are not the rule. Megan Kelly is just a diversion that he thinks he can sell to his supporters.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    If he cant handle a pundit, what does he do as Pres. when the dictator of lower Bumfikia tells him to pee up a rope? Leave? Cry? Go on TV and tell everyone that it is unfair? Call him names?


    Unfriend him on face book...:tooth:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    After getting their asses handed to them in the "war on women" for several years, it was a very legitimate question that Kelly asked. If he were to be the Republican nominee, is he going to get his butt kicked on feminist issues? Women are the biggest voting block out there-- just over 50% of the population are women.

    He handled it poorly and then went on and on about it via Twitter and everywhere else. Now he is refusing to participate in the debate because of her? It sounds like he has some pretty thin skin to me. Maybe it should be a wake up call to him-- not every woman is going to kiss his ass because he is rich. They certainly don't do it because of his charm and good looks.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Western PAPosts: 8,233 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Sorry you are mistaken. Her job was to be a moderator, not take either side. Her job was to ask questions and wait for an answer and keep the answers on subject and keep track of allotted time.

    She can take either side she desires and put people to their word outside of the debate forum.
    However IAW Don, asking a question about what he has done in the past and how is he going to handle it if he wins the nomination is a attack. Cant imagine where she had the audacity to do that. Question what he has done?? That just isnt fair. Listen to what he says today, and only today.

    Finding out what he will do when the Dems question his slandering of females is a honest question. If you dont think MSNBC will put Trump of 24 hour playback if he wins, and not just his speech from this week, then I guess it isnt a worthwhile question.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Between Ft Lauderdale and MiamiPosts: 12,556 Senior Member
    However IAW Don, asking a question about what he has done in the past and how is he going to handle it if he wins the nomination is a attack. Cant imagine where she had the audacity to do that. Question what he has done?? That just isnt fair. Listen to what he says today, and only today.

    Finding out what he will do when the Dems question his slandering of females is a honest question. If you dont think MSNBC will put Trump of 24 hour playback if he wins, and not just his speech from this week, then I guess it isnt a worthwhile question.

    Fair enough and legitimate. My only argument is that each person on the stage should receive the same question and be given a certain amount of time to respond, if they go off subject matter the moderator steers them back on course or cuts them off when time runs out. A moderator should not pick and choose which question each person is asked, that turns a debate into pointing fingers and making accusations. She needed to ask each person their opinion or stance on an issue. On her own show she can point fingers and ask for explanations all she wants and everyone is fair game.

    Just my way of thinking about it, this is America and we can have different opinions :beer:
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    This is how I see it. If he was president and Pelosi, or Boxer, or that nut job woman from south Florida called him out on something, is he gonna storm out of the room? Then go on TV and call them names?

    I don't think so Fishead, I think he has the balls to stand up to any of them. But what I think bugs him is that even having an almost inexhaustible supply of money and owning his own empire, he has no real power over her (Megan) or any of his opponents. He likes to be boss and when he's not he goes Bozo.

    That woman can have power over me any day! she's SMART, BEAUTIFUL, and Reasonably CONSERVATIVE!!! What's not to love? I'll be her slave!

    :silly:.....:drool2:.....:worthy:

    :roll2:.....:roll2:.....:roll2:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I am kind of glad that Trump decided not to attend. Rand Paul squeaked himself back into the main debate and maybe with that blowhard out of the way he may be able to get some exposure this time. Paul is still my man at the moment and this is pretty much his last shot. I hope he makes the most of it. If not, Cruz (while I am fully aware of Zorba's concerns but think they are overblown) will be my choice.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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