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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Posts: 14,060 Senior Member
    I will find you, and I will kick you in the nuts for putting that image into my head.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    I do think the R party has had far too many debates, hard to keep track or keep up, but I do agree that it's better than what Debbie, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Wassweman Shultz has done to make it as hard as possible for any other candidate to get any attention whatsoever. It's completely transparent and indefensible.

    Now that there's FUNNY and TRUE, I don't care who ya are!!! Great "Across the Aisle Humor there Alfa!

    :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    I am kind aware of Zorba's concerns but think they are overblown) will be my choice.
    S.

    Yep, I agree and I'm happy Rand got another shot. His dad, Ron was my U.S. Representative for some 22 years and I've not seen a better public servant.

    He's not my favorite, due to his Isolationist views, but I will still vote for him if he's on the Repub ballot.

    Also, Zorba, I love ya man, you're a great American and though I don't share your religious views I respect both you and your views. But I'm here to tell you any fear you have of Cruz is unfounded. Remember, his dad is the preacher. He, like any conservative politician is only appealing to the Religious right for their vote.

    But surprise surprise, he ain't ma favorite either. Not in terms of who I will waste my primary vote on. I'm going for the best of those who are electable.

    However, when the smoke clears after the Primaries and after we have a candidate, I will support and vote for whoever is on the ballot as the Republican nominee in the General Election.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    I will find you, and I will kick you in the nuts for putting that image into my head.

    :that: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • horselipshorselips Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    By 2014 the Republican Party had won control of both halves of Congress, gained over 900 other state and local offices, leaving only the White House out of its grasp. And yet when the time came to vote on the Omnibus budget bill, the GOP majority in Congress gave President Obama everything he wanted. Why? Because they knew if they didn't, Obama would veto the bill, shut down the government, and the press would blame - the Republicans. And going along with the press, the people would do too. And the party would suffer. Huh? How does that happen when it's obvious the President would be the one who shut down the government? Well, that's the nature of the Big Lie. And what happens when the GOP offers no competing daily press briefing to counter the White House's Josh Earnest, when there party apparatus is clueless about the essentials of propaganda and making its case before the people. Clueless, and with no hope. The fix is in, the game is rigged - when the GOP goes along, it can win, when it doesn't it will lose. Some will say that wasn't the case the last time the government was shut down, the GOP took the blame and won anyway. But that was a few years ago, and the political landscape is ever-changing.

    Enter Donald Trump. Unlike the garden-variety GOP candidates, Trump, with the awareness and intensity of a multi-billionaire, sees the bigger picture, takes into account what the others miss, and realizes that the enemy isn't just the DNC, but the entire cultural foundation of political correctness - the press. The battle isn't just to get the nomination and then defeat Hillary or Bernie, it's to demolish the whole structure of progressive liberalism. And that means taking control of the foremost alarmist and defender of the status quo, the press, especially broadcast and cable television news.

    Trump has succeeded in getting control of the press. By gaining the lead in the polls, and making regularly timed outrageous statements, the press can't ignore him. He is the focus of their attention. Whatever he says or does is breaking news. Covering Trump means audience share, Trump means cable news channels can charge advertisers whatever they want because everybody is now watching. Trump is golden every which way gold is counted in the television biz. As Rush Limbaugh observed, "Trump controls the media when he's on, he controls it when he's off, he controls it when he's asleep." Even when other candidates are getting their 90 seconds of air time, it's always about their reaction to - Trump, not about them except for their falling poll numbers. No Republican candidate has ever done this before. Where every other Republican, from candidate to party chairman, has been a sheep to the ravenous press, Trump has roared like a lion.

    But temporary control isn't real power, and that remained to be accomplished. And that's what is behind the refusal to attend the debate. With Trump, Fox expected to charge $750,000 / minute to advertisers, without Trump, $150,000 / minute is really pushing it. Trump's game isn't just sucking all the air out of the room, it's also about network attitude, policy and punishment. As I write this, feverish negotiations are going on between Fox, and Trump's wife and son. The Donald refuses to talk to Fox, he won't even take calls from Roger Ailes, he will deal with Rupert Murdoch himself and no other. Chutzpa on steroids, but let's face it, it's either him and us, or them. Only Trump stands a chance of driving a stake through the heart of political correctness, of business as usual, and terra-forming a new political landscape where Republicans will be able to fearlessly, finally, for once, stand up for their principles.

    In the past it has always been a no-win situation for the GOP regarding the press. Either win the press's approval by caving on principles, or reap it's wrath when doing what's right. A true Kobayashi Maru scenario. No way out, no way to win, disaster is certain. But, in the finest tradition of Starfleet Cadet James Tiberius Kirk, Candidate Trump doesn't believe in the no-win scenario. With unprecedented boldness and original thinking, Trump is changing all the campaigning rules, reprogramming and rebooting the game, just as Cadet Kirk did. Kirk succeeded, and we are informed by future history, he goes on to a brilliant career, becoming a Starfleet Admiral. Will Trump's debate gambit work? Will the press be busted from making and controlling the news to just doing its job of reporting the news? We won't know for a few days. Maybe Trump will end up shooting himself in the foot, maybe he will win, stiffening the backbones of Republicans nationwide, and creating a new reality between the party, the press, and the people who watch and listen and vote. We can hope for that important change. But this much is certain - the press is howling, other spineless GOP candidates are howling, everybody's arrows are aimed at Trump, and that's a good sign he's right.
  • kansashunterkansashunter Posts: 1,916 Senior Member
    Man horselips, you got a big dose of the koolaid. The biggest problem with trump is trying to figure out what he really means because he contradicts himself every time he opens his mouth. In 2011 he told Megan Kelley she was a great debate moderator, today she is horrible. Monday he said he knows Pelosi and Schumer and Ried and will be able to make deals with them. That's not what I am looking for. Nobody knows what Trump will actually do if he gets in.
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    That's a nice piece of writing, horselips. But where is the Constitution in all that? Are we supposed to vote for a guy who has never bothered to define his loyalty to it? And how is Trump's campaign different from Barack Obama's first presidential campaign? Skating through the whole campaign without any sort of assurances that he will not make deals that further undermine the charter that has kept us more free than other nations for a couple of centuries is pretty hard for those of us who know and understand American history to swallow.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    That's a nice piece of writing, horselips. But where is the Constitution in all that? Are we supposed to vote for a guy who has never bothered to define his loyalty to it? And how is Trump's campaign different from Barack Obama's first presidential campaign? Skating through the whole campaign without any sort of assurances that he will not make deals that further undermine the charter that has kept us more free than other nations for a couple of centuries is pretty hard for those of us who know and understand American history to swallow.

    I've read all this and listened to all the talking points on TV and there's some pretty good points made from every direction so that for somebody looking on from the side it's hard to take a stand just yet. But it has affirmed my previous position and solidified my decision which is to vote for my choice in the primary, hope and pray we nominate an electable candidate, and vote for that candidate, resisting temptation to jump the tracks and vote for hopeless Joe or stay home. That is my decision and I'm sticking to it!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • horselipshorselips Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    If the Donald gets the GOP nomination and wins the election, he will take an oath of office to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and see that the laws are faithfully enforced. Unlike a progressive liberal, who's loyalty is solely to his socialist agenda, I believe Trump will honor his oath. After all, his entire professional life has been spent in writing, signing and honoring contracts. He'll be just fine.

    And as for making deals, we're so used to seeing garden-variety Republicans get the short end, we always expect the worst. But not any more. Trump wrote the book no liberal would ever be caught dead reading, and I think any deals he might make with the Democrats will leave them giving much more than they get. Of course, as I said, if the GOP wins just a few more Senate seats, the Democrats will be entirely irrelevant. Trump was just expressing his confidence if the GOP loses either half, or both halves of Congress. We'll still come out OK.
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    I hope you are right, but I'll still be a reluctant voter if he wins the nomination. Many folks who are more hard-headed than I am may not even go to the polls, so he will have to attract new voters or get Democrats to make up for them.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I hope you are right, but I'll still be a reluctant voter if he wins the nomination. Many folks who are more hard-headed than I am may not even go to the polls, so he will have to attract new voters or get Democrats to make up for them.

    We can only control what we have control of. I can't guarantee you what I propose to do will work, but it will come closer to working than what others propose. Staying home or voting third party is a proven recipe for failure. At least doing what I am proposing has a chance of working if enough people join with me. Remember, even if we elect another rino we can hold his/her feet to the fire and keep our rights. But if the other side wins, it's winner take all. They will have full control and we won't like what they will do, and what they do will doom our way of life. Because we're almost to the point where we can't win an election, because the other side's policies have got so many votes, and also the educational system is so corrupted that our kids and grandkids are not being educated, only only indoctrinated by socialist-communist lies. So they will vote for the other side unless we get back in power and turn that system around. We have a chance, but we need to have it now. In four years any chance of bringing things back as we know and love them will be that much more difficult, and eight years may put that totally out of reach. In other words it is probably now or never. We have to win this, and at least with trump we have a chance. And maybe it won't be trump, there's a good chance it will be Cruz, or one of the others. I really believe ANY of the others will be fine. But we need anything but Hillary or Bernie. And if we don't vote for the Republican on the ticket, i would bet my entire retirement that there's no way we will win now or later. This is it, now or never.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JermanatorJermanator Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Unlike a progressive liberal, who's loyalty is solely to his socialist agenda, I believe Trump will honor his oath. After all, his entire professional life has been spent in writing, signing and honoring contracts. He'll be just fine.
    You mean like the vows he made for his first two marriages and the contractual obligations he broke during those four bankruptcies? His openly admitting buying favor from politicians on the left and right so they will bend toward his agenda?

    Trump serves his own interests. He could give two turds about ours.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Remember, even if we elect another rino we can hold his/her feet to the fire and keep our rights.
    You write this all the time Snake. How exactly do you hold their feet to the fire if you vote Republican regardless? This does not compute.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    You mean like the vows he made for his first two marriages and the contractual obligations he broke during those four bankruptcies? His openly admitting buying favor from politicians on the left and right so they will bend toward his agenda?

    Trump serves his own interests. He could give two turds about ours.

    I will gladly buy you a beer and cigar if we ever meet. Sayin.
  • tennmiketennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    I just can't see Trump winning the GOP nomination. His one and only use has been to stir the 'honey pot' on subjects that conservatives/libertarians care about, and have made the otherwise sugar coating Democrats have to address. I'm leaning towards Cruz or Rubio going the distance. Just a gut feeling.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • DurangoKidDurangoKid Posts: 183 Member
    How stupid can these people be. Trump has 22,500 employees and took in 9.8 Billion last year? Now who would believe he is afraid of a Blond Bimbo weather girl. :zzzz:
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Posts: 8,291 Senior Member
    Trump isnt afraid of a blonde bimbo weather girl. He cant hang with a published lawyer though. And when she last kicked his butt by asking him what he will do if and when someone looks past his BS and checks out what he has DONE, he started calling her a bimbo, and said she was bleeding from wherever. Not a exact quote, but you could look it up. Careful though, you might learn something about the man (term used loosely) that isnt in one of his press releases from this campaign.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Posts: 14,060 Senior Member
    Funny how some used to like Megyn Kelly until she started questioning Trump about what he meant when he said what he said. Not necessarily talking about folks here, just observing in general.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • JermanatorJermanator Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    You mean that politicians do not have to be accountable to their constituents since they know we are going to vote for them based on a (R) or (D) by their name?

    And people wonder how we got where we are?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    Funny how some used to like Megyn Kelly until she started questioning Trump about what he meant when he said what he said. Not necessarily talking about folks here, just observing in general.

    It's also funny that everybody wanted an anti-establishment candidate who would stand up to the leftists in Congress, and went 'whole hog' for Trump because they thought he was it.

    Now, when Trump thinks he has it all but sewed up, he goes on MSNBC and says he can deal with Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, et al because they are all friends. Meanwhile, the Republican establishment is bringing their full force against Ted Cruz and are now strangely silent about Trump. The PAC money is being used for hits on Cruz, and people are coming out of the woodwork in Congress to say Cruz is not a very 'likable guy.'

    Folks, the anti-establishment candidates are Ted Cruz and Rand Paul...period. They have records on the floor of Congress that prove it. Donald Trump is something entirely different - a narcissistic multi-billionaire who will do anything, to anybody, to win. He's said it, himself, in a dozen different ways.
  • AntonioAntonio Posts: 2,986 Senior Member
    Worldwide, anti-establishment candidates have become an establishment themselves; take Spain PODEMOS, a virtual copy of Venezuela's United Socialist Party that claims to be absolutely anti-establishment but actually tries to install a political project that has already failed in other parts of the world.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Posts: 8,291 Senior Member
    Funny how some used to like Megyn Kelly until she started questioning Trump about what he meant when he said what he said. Not necessarily talking about folks here, just observing in general.

    Again, he has changed his stance on EVERY issue that he is talking about. What is the difference?
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Sorry you are mistaken. Her job was to be a moderator, not take either side. Her job was to ask questions and wait for an answer and keep the answers on subject and keep track of allotted time.

    She can take either side she desires and put people to their word outside of the debate forum.
    You are 100% correct regarding the duties and restrictions imposed on a moderator/facilitator. Fortunately I was only tasked with this responsibility 2 or 3 times. Introducing her women's rights/respect agenda was inappropriate and unprofessional.
  • tennmiketennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    You mean that politicians do not have to be accountable to their constituents since they know we are going to vote for them based on a (R) or (D) by their name?

    And people wonder how we got where we are?

    Ain't that the truth! You could run Ho Chi Minh on one ticket and Vlad the Impaler on the other, and the brainless party line dweebs would pull their respective party handle in the voting booth without even looking at who they were voting for in the election. This guarantees that the worst possible piece of excrement gets elected, and reelected, forever.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    You are 100% correct regarding the duties and restrictions imposed on a moderator/facilitator. Fortunately I was only tasked with this responsibility 2 or 3 times. Introducing her women's rights/respect agenda was inappropriate and unprofessional.

    She asked the question in context of the Dem's claim that the GOP was waging a "war on women". She also cited facts regarding statements he had previously made. In a way, she was giving him a chance to clear the air on that and explain his position in more detail. Instead, he chose to act like a recalcitrant school boy and blame Megan for asking a LEGITIMATE question. If he somehow gets the nod, you can bet he will be asked questions a whole lot tougher than this regarding past statements he has made regarding women. Is he going to skip a presidential debate if he doesn't get his way?

    Furthermore, accusing Fox of treating him unfairly is ludicrous. Fox has given him more air time than he deserves, and he's been challenged very little. Charles Krauthamer is one of the few people on Fox who calls him out for what he is, and he doesn't like that. Let the two debate each other and see how smart Trump is.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Posts: 7,927 Senior Member
    There are several sources I've seen on FB that this debate was going to be a hit-job to discredit Trump by having a Muslim and an open borders activist ask questions to humiliate him. The GOP and Neocon establishment is desperate to get Trump out of the race, Murdoch is an open borders guy and Trump probably found out about it and decided "no thanks." I don't blame him a bit for his reaction. I will watch his Vets benefit instead. It's on CNN.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Posts: 7,927 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    .............His openly admitting buying favor from politicians on the left and right so they will bend toward his agenda?........

    And we have a shtuff-load of current politicians that take their money gladly. If you're in business that large you can't survive without doing it. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the symbiotic relationship big-business has with politicians and it's not going to stop unless the political system is changed.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • JermanatorJermanator Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    No doubt, but Horselips is acting like Trump is the second coming of Christ with uncompromising integrity. I was pointing out that he is not as honorable as he believes.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Trump is not as honorable as Trump himself believes, or purports himself, and come judgement Trump, Donald Trump will
    Beshat himself loudly & amply just like everone else not raptured.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Posts: 6,637 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    You are 100% correct regarding the duties and restrictions imposed on a moderator/facilitator. Fortunately I was only tasked with this responsibility 2 or 3 times. Introducing her women's rights/respect agenda was inappropriate and unprofessional.


    I disagree. Asking the question wasn't unprofessional, but I do feel that she was emotionally invested in the question, which may or may not be inappropriate. The fact is, 'The Donald' will be asked this question over and over again, along with myriad other questions that have yet to be addressed. The man is a living, breathing contradiction. He talks right, goes left and then flip-flops back...only to repeat the process as often a possible.

    Why is Trump not attending the debate? Because he feels there isn't anything in it for him.

    That should say it all.




    For those of you who are sold on Donny boy, Take a look at the 'approval' numbers for a moment. You know the ones, the 'plus-minus' numbers? Yeah. Have a little gander at those, if you want to judge his electability.

    For those of you who pull the 'R' lever, no matter who is the candidate, you will be the driving force behind what could be the biggest presidential blowout in recent memory...and not in a good way. Don't feel bad though, because (insert 'worst candidate in the world, here) will probably throw a reach-around as a thank you.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
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