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JeffnBamaJeffnBama MemberPosts: 204 Member
Have been wanting a M&P 9MM with Crimson Trace and researching other brands , XD Mod2 4" Fiber Optic Sight. XDM 3.8" 17-1 Rd. and FNH Compact 3.6" 17 Rd. All are in the $500 range and XD's come with Essential Pkg, also considering S&W SD9 VE.
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  • twatwa Senior Member Posts: 2,238 Senior Member
    I love my Xd's, I think you would be happy.
  • North ForestNorth Forest Member Posts: 355 Member
    twa wrote: »
    I love my Xd's, I think you would be happy.

    I'll second this. I have three and they're all keepers.
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    Owned XD pistols. Still do. But if I were looking for a concealment 9mm, I'd have to look closely at the lineup offered by KAHR. Both the CW9 and the larger CT9 are under $400 and offer an incredible value for the money.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I've spent quite a bit of range time with the XDs, the Shield, and several different Kahrs, and still own all three. The XDs is my first choice, due to the trigger, which is the only single-stack subcompact trigger that works for my largish, long fingered hands. The Shield and the XDs are almost identical in size, as are the Kahr K, P, and CW series pistols, but both the Kahr and the Shield have shorter trigger 'finish positions' than the XDs. I was able to modify the Shield to work for me, by spending $150 on Apex kits and doing the work, myself, but that put the Shield price above that of the XDs, which worked just fine for me, right out of the box. The two K series Kahrs I own are very fine, accurate pistols, but they are designed for small to medium sized hands, and there is no kit out there that I know of that would make the trigger better for me.

    Bottom line for me: XDs, straight out of the box, has been the best for me, but Shield or Kahr are also very good pistols, if the trigger works for you. They are all the same size, except for trigger finish positions.

    EDIT: My XDs is a .45 ACP, but the external dimensions and trigger are the same as the 9mm.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,094 Senior Member
    Not familiar with the FNH, but any of the ones you listed should serve you well.

    The XD line doesn't fit ME well, however, of the ones you listed, I'd say whichever fits you the best.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,713 Senior Member
    I like the redundant safeties on the XDm.

    I shoot much better with the 1911 or the revolvers.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,713 Senior Member
    A CZ with a trigger job would be good, too.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Back to your original post, I am a fan of CT Laser Grips that actually replace the original grips, but not so much on plastic guns that don't have removable grips. The ones that fit on the front of subcompacts and actuate the same way as the laser grips are OK, too. But I've never tried laser grips that fit on the outside of polymer pistol grips and I don't think I would like them.

    Even as a fan of laser grips, I don't depend on them for initial sighting on a SD pistol. I believe your first reflex should be to acquire a sight picture with 'iron sights,' and if the battery-powered laser is there when you need it, use it - just don't bet the ranch on it always being there. They harm nothing, in my opinion, if you don't depend on them, but can be a great option for some of the unusual circumstances that could pop up in a self defense scenario, especially if you wear glasses.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    I agree with NN. Love the CZ's. The only pistol that will do BOTH cocked and locked or DA.
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,148 Senior Member
    Jeff -

    I'm with Dan on this as far as Kahr for a concealment option. I, too, own an XD, but as a carry option, Kahr is hard to beat. That said, of the guns you mentioned in your opening post, the one I handled that impressed me the most was the FN-series (the one I shot was in .45 ACP), BUT you'll definitely have to weight the ergonomics. The FN I shot functioned beautifully, with the major tradeoff being it's bulk compared to the XDs.
    Owned XD pistols. Still do. But if I were looking for a concealment 9mm, I'd have to look closely at the lineup offered by KAHR. Both the CW9 and the larger CT9 are under $400 and offer an incredible value for the money.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I still do not see concealment as an important point, concealment as opposed to open carry, yes, but it is concealment, not invisible or not accessible, I carry in a not obvious manner, print aplenty and still nobody seems to be the wiser.

    I don't use a laser on a sidearm, even in almost dark conditions, with a 1911, I could still aquire a target. Might go for a laser on a carbine / AR-15 etc....
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  • twatwa Senior Member Posts: 2,238 Senior Member
    If you are looking for CCW another to look at is the LC9 with crimson trace.....I carry it quite often, very reliable and easy to carry.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,663 Senior Member
    Everybody is going to recommend their favorite pistols in a thread like this - and why not? Another vote for CZ here, but as always, one should try everything they can get their hands on!
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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,543 Senior Member
    I haven't shot the FN 9mm compact, but I have shot the S&W Shield and the XD MOD2, and I'm a big fan of the XD.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,152 Senior Member
    I am a huge CZ fan (last count, I owned like 9 CZs. It's probably more now) and will always give them the nod. However, my wife has an XD-9 and it is nice and accurate. if I needed another plastic 9mm, it would be at the top of the list for contenders.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,740 Senior Member
    Kahr fan here. I've got a PM 9, truly a pocket gun. They don't make a smaller reliable 9mm that I know of. The CW 9, which didn't exist when I bought mine, would also be a good choice. Differences are in the front sight, the barrel, and the slide lock, which is MIM whereas the PM is machined.

    For a holster small gun, I have a Shield. Very good pistol. If you've got huge pockets, I suppose you could carry it that way. I had a Glock 43, another fine pistol, but traded it about 3 weeks ago for a Savage 99.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Everybody is going to recommend their favorite pistols in a thread like this - and why not? Another vote for CZ here, but as always, one should try everything they can get their hands on!

    When you were young, you & Gog carried a rock for concealed loin carry, not very many choices back then, not as many as we have today, you still had the same dilemma, Zog preffered a lighter faster rock, you preffered a heavy slow rock, and first, confuse them with some tantalizing terspsichore.. lol
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,742 Senior Member
    My carry gun is a S&W Shield 9mm and my HD gun is a full size M&P 9, so clearly I am a little biased. I have been very pleased with the M&P series. I am about to pick up a 45 as well.


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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    My carry gun is a S&W Shield 9mm and my HD gun is a full size M&P 9, so clearly I am a little biased. I have been very pleased with the M&P series. I am about to pick up a 45 as well.


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    You need a nice 1911 young Jedi Knight !
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Fact is that of the ones you mention there is no bad pick except that I'm not familiar enough with the SD9 to comment on them. I see a lot of them used for sale in the $200s and that concerns me. You might also want to take a look at the appropriate Kahrs (big fan here), Glocks and Walthers (a sleeper in my book that does not get enough attention) and really just pick the one that feels like it needs to come home with you.

    Right now, 2 sidearms call out to me, the Glock full size models, the 1911, one is simple and elegant, the other simple and if it gets scratched up, it is a Glock...... who the heck cares....

    Although a S&W M-10 revolver will always be my first true love ! :love::love::love:
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  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    My carry gun is a S&W Shield 9mm and my HD gun is a full size M&P 9, so clearly I am a little biased. I have been very pleased with the M&P series. I am about to pick up a 45 as well.

    Me too, but my HD is an M&P40, plus the .45 (most accurate service pistol I've ever shot) and an M&P9c. I carried Glocks before the M&P line came out, but they don't fit my had as well. Still excellent pistols.

    And I carried a Kahr K9 initially, and that was a great little pistol. It all comes down to what feels and shoots best for you.
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  • JeffnBamaJeffnBama Member Posts: 204 Member
    I have an M&P full size and compact, both in 9mm. I shoot those better than I have shot anything. The XDs are HUGELY popular as well. I shot some rentals at my local range. Are you able to do that?
    Two Ranges in my area have rentals and Training courses.
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    You need a nice 1911 young Jedi Knight !

    He has a couple.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Excellent !
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  • JeffnBamaJeffnBama Member Posts: 204 Member
    Had a rough day , stayed up till almost Midnight looking at Kahr, CZ and others. Now I'm thinking 1911 :silly:
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    If you want a carry 1911, look at the ruger SR1911 in 4.25 in. They make an aluminum frame one or a steel frame. You can find them under 700.00, Larrys has Ruger days coming up soon so probably a little less. Rock Island makes good one for a decent price also. As a new shooter/carrier, the safeties on a 1911 are a big plus.
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  • JeffnBamaJeffnBama Member Posts: 204 Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    If you want a carry 1911, look at the ruger SR1911 in 4.25 in. They make an aluminum frame one or a steel frame. You can find them under 700.00, Larrys has Ruger days coming up soon so probably a little less. Rock Island makes good one for a decent price also. As a new shooter/carrier, the safeties on a 1911 are a big plus.
    Thanks! I have plans for compact and full size when budget allows. Larrys Online was down this weekend , have been looking at Buds and Last Resort. Been reading and watching video reviews and don't believe all them, really enjoy and learn from hickok45 and Moss videos.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    JeffnBama wrote: »
    Thanks! I have plans for compact and full size when budget allows. Larrys Online was down this weekend , have been looking at Buds and Last Resort. Been reading and watching video reviews and don't believe all them, really enjoy and learn from hickok45 and Moss videos.

    Hickok45 can shoot anything he picks up, better than most folks, so I don't know if that helps, but he does give everything a pretty fair shake.
  • JeffnBamaJeffnBama Member Posts: 204 Member
    My first 9MM is a $ 400 30 year old S&W Model 469

    Didn't know was that old till looked it up, first thing found was recall. Serial# wasn't on the list and safety works properly. Gun is great shape with original box, Manual and extra mag.
  • JeffnBamaJeffnBama Member Posts: 204 Member
    That baby's got a cool vibe! You shoot it yet?
    Went to buy new but ended up at the used counter. Range opens at 0900 and hope someone will help me get familiar with it. Working with it now and is very solid , Seller at the shop said maybe fired a few times . No worn marks or scratches on pistol or mags
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