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Nomadac
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Why not to Open Carry
Nomadac
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Man Becomes Example of Why Some Gun Owners Prefer Concealed Carry Over Open Carry.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/03/man-becomes-example-of-why-some-gun-owners-prefer-concealed-carry-over-open-carry/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Firewire%20-%20HORIZON%202-3-16%20FINAL&utm_term=Firewire
A bad choice on how to carry,IMO.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/03/man-becomes-example-of-why-some-gun-owners-prefer-concealed-carry-over-open-carry/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Firewire%20-%20HORIZON%202-3-16%20FINAL&utm_term=Firewire
A bad choice on how to carry,IMO.
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- George Orwell
Like the famous late Texas Longhorn Football Coach Darrel K Royal used to say about passing the football. "Three things can happen and two of em are bad."
With open carry the bad things are not the same as with the forward pass in football, but they are very negative and can ruin the person carrying's day and even get him killed. For one, the open carrier is probably the first one to get shot if some scum bag opens up on the crowd. Two, as in this example, there's always some slime ball that will steal your carry piece if given the chance, and three, you don't garner the respect of near as many people as you would think you would. Most people by nature just figure you're showing off. In fact, unlike the forward pass, I can't think of one single benefit to open carrying, other than we do it because we CAN! And that's not a benefit. It just satisfies our ego more than anything.
I like the open carry law, for a couple reasons, one: if we make a mistake, say drop our gun on the floor of the grocery store, or at the football game we raise our hands to cheer and our shirt rides up, we won't be busted for having a gun unconcealed. And another one on this same line and one that's more likely to happen to me, I like to strap on my .357 when I go hunting because of snakes or to finish off an animal, and two times I have strapped that gun on in its holster and forgot and gone in and establishment openly armed. If a cop would have been there I would'a been toast.
Also, something within me says I have a right to do it and no libtard government law can stop me if I so choose. However in practice I will just try to subdue my passions and keep it concealed. To me keeping your trump card concealed assures it is a more useful tool when the time comes and need arises to use it.
Oh and in case you don't know what's good and bad about a pass in football, according to DKR, 1, the pass is caught (Good), 2, You drop the pass (Not so good, and maybe bad), or 3, it can be intercepted (Always bad). Two of the three are not real good.
But then again, Darrel Kenneth Royal did use the pass on occasion. He won the Big Shootout between Number One in the Nation Texas against Number Two Arkansas in 1969 and won the 1969 Cotton Bowl against up until then Number one Notre Dame and the National Championship because of the forward pass. He also won the 1965 Orange Bowl against Joe Namath and Number One (At the Time) Alabama, with a few key passes by reserve QB Jim Hudson and one long touch down pass from Hudson to George Sauer Jr. So the pass wasn't totally bad for him, Royal. He just wasn't known to over use it so nobody expected it when he did.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
then yes.
Have you heard the opinions of some folks here, on those folks that open carry ?
I do not open carry, however, the law that allows it, is a great thing, I do not judge people that do open carry, with a small exception, the ones that refuse to present ID to LE when asked reasonably, tying up limited Police resourses.
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-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
Penises are fun to show to select people, after you get married !
Otherwise, they need to stay in your pants-- out of sight.
If you are going to take it out and play with it, you should do that in private.
Never ever play with yourself ! you will go blind ! and you will burn in hell forever !
Otherwise, they need to stay in your pants-- out of sight.
I did not follow that advice.. :jester:
Funny thing is, I really did not think much about penises until after that lecture, then I got really curious and could think of nothing else, my thinking being, if I am being told NOT to,
Then it must really be pretty good !!!
He would have lost his gun if it was carried IWB under a parka.
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Please don't give Chris any ideas
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
CPJ has a constant 3 ring circus of ideas going on !
Coals to Newcastle !
:jester:
I liken open carry to responsible narcotics usage.... There shouldn't be ANY laws saying that you're not allowed to, but I reserve the right to think that anyone who does it on any sort of regular basis, is a complete frickin moron.
Dang straight.
Winston Churchill
We have had legal open carry for over 100 years, works OK, but I do rather like to carry concealed instead.
It's just a natural response for me. I immediately determine the retention of the holster and situational awareness of the owner.
Now, of course I've never taken one from Joe Schmoe..........but it doesn't mean I don't assess the situation.
Hell, I do it with cops too. Except, for cops, I figure out how to take EVERYTHING on their belt. Being the target rich environment that it usually is and I teach this to them in edged weapons classes. I will own their belt! It is a physical impossibility to protect everything on there. The more you carry, the harder it is.
If I do this, who's to say the average dirtbag doesn't as well?
:that:
I think that this is something that many law abiding folks can't or simply WON'T wrap their head around. Yes, there are tons of incompetent criminals out there, but there are also some very competent ones as well.....and when it comes to being in a bad situation, they're probably much better at it than you are.
I'm almost positive that it was Jayhawker who posted that while he was still in Law Enforcement in Michigan, he went on a raid and noted that the bad guys that they were raiding, had the same gun magazines and literature on their coffee table that Jayhawker had on his back at home.
There have been times that attempting to grab a Police Officers sidearm went rather poorly for the criminal that did the grabbing.
You're never going to diminish your risks by 100%, but you can take steps to diminish them by as much as practical. A properly concealed handgun is part of that. Will it be invisible to everyone, no...of course not, but it will be MUCH more invisible than the gun that's carried openly on someone's hip.
I obviously have no way of knowing that. That wasn't the point though. To some folks there's a very "us and them" attitude when it comes to carriers vs. criminals, in regards to knowledge/intelligence, mindset, tactics, etc... The point was that sometimes, the line between "us and them" isn't as clear a boundary as we'd like.
looking back on my youthful days, I'm probably only one or two bends in the road away from having become "one of them". Fortunately, good folks took notice at the opportune time and guided that interest and drive towards the right direction. My skill is my skill. By the grace of God alone, it's used for the right purposes.
There re are those out there with the same skill set that chose a different direction. That's just the nature of the beast.
There assuredly is skillful evil out there.
One very small example...
I grew up on Meth Mountain (Sand Mountain) where the pastimes seem to be racing your male family members in seeing who can get your 12 year old sister pregnant first, and cooking/selling crystal meth......not necessarily in that order.
One of the groups that I went to school with set up their own octagon and gym in the barn behind one of their houses. They did weight training and MMA/H2H/Edged Weapons sparring a few hours a day, seven days a week. You basically had a crew of a half dozen tweakers/cookers that in a conflict, you'd BETTER stop them before they got within arms reach, because if you didn't, you would definitely end up in the ICU or morgue.
I also think that people that DON'T carry some form of self defense tool are frickin morons. I'm not talking about "official" anything....I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter.
If you are including me in that "guys", I never said anywhere in this thread that I recall........that open carry is wrong. I didn't provide any statistical aberrations.
I stated my mindset in consciously figuring out how to take a weapon from someone intent on tempting me with it.
You are entitled to open carry to your hearts content. I am entitled to call you stupid.
Life goes on.
What else we gonna talk about? Your "Manties"?
:jester:
I support your right to be stupid.
Does that make you feel better?
I think you're stupid if you do. But, I support that right.
See how this works?
"...two men fled and ran toward the trailer parks."