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Would you vote for Trump if he ran as an independent?

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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    But what happens in the General Election if Cruz isn't there? What you gonna do then?
    Hold my nose and vote for Rubio. Then take a shower when I get home.
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    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Some of his mannerisms/gestures do remind me of Mussolini from old films that show him making a remark and then he turns his head and waits for a response.......not that that observation changes my support for him one bit......lots of leaders...........good and bad..........know how to captivate an audience or, at least, keep their attention.


    I see a best case as the American version of Italy's Berlusconi...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Silvio_Berlusconi
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,610 Senior Member
    Here's how it's going to go down. If Trump gets the nonmination, I will hope and pray that Cruz decides to renounce his party affiliation and go third party. Barring that, I will find or write in a suitable candidate. If my vote serves no other purpose than to represent my raised middle finger to the party establishment, so be it. It's my vote, I'll use it as I damned well please...and live happily with the knowledge that I cancelled out one idiotic vote with it.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    He doesn't have to run as an independent. He's going to be the R nominee unless the party finds a way to screw him over in the convention and if that happens they deserve to lose.

    Thank you Alpha, I agree 100%. The party establishment needs to grow a brain. None of their Party pretty boys are going to get the Nomination, besides none of them are left in the race unless you count Kasich. And I think he's being considered for VP.
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    Here's how it's going to go down. If Trump gets the nonmination, I will hope and pray that Cruz decides to renounce his party affiliation and go third party. Barring that, I will find or write in a suitable candidate. If my vote serves no other purpose than to represent my raised middle finger to the party establishment, so be it. It's my vote, I'll use it as I damned well please...and live happily with the knowledge that I cancelled out one idiotic vote with it.

    You are politically insane. Seek help from any precinct committeeman, from either party.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    As soon as Trump sews up the nomination, he will begin going after Democrats. If he can suck this many Republicans in, against a very good field of candidates, he will pick off a bunch of Democrats who hate the choice they have between two aging socialists who don't inspire anyone.

    Then, we will all just have to wait and see which Trump we get. It will likely be one neither of us has seen, yet. Life is like a box of chocolates.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,610 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    You are politically insane. Seek help from any precinct committeeman, from either party.


    Damn. Just as we were becoming friends...and your opinion meant so much to me too. How will I survive?

    Originally, I was going to cancel out Snake's vote...now I have a new target for my political insanity. Snake, your vote is safe.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I have not yet come to the conclusion that Trump will be as bad as any Democrat that the DNC would allow the nomination to. If I ever do, I'll stay home.

    What we really have here is that Trump has succeeded in taking the Republican Party hostage. If they promote any kind of deal between Rubio, Cruz, Kasich that would defeat Trump for the nomination, he'll go independent and hand the election to the Democrats. It could be a bluff, but I really think Trump has started believing his own BS, and might actually believe he could win as an independent.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,093 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    Are there some conditions that would sway you to vote for Trump as an independent?
    NO!

    Well, there is ONE condition that might cause it... INSANITY :silly:
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  • toymachinetoymachine Senior Member Posts: 761 Senior Member
    Nomadac wrote: »
    Then you and others that feel this way want the Democrat candidate to win? That makes a lot of sense. :roll:

    The republicans have a history of nominating joke candidates. Palin as VP, and the anti-gun RINO in 2012 as two recent examples.
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Germany was defeated in WWI and unrealistic war reparations were levied against them, mostly pushed by France and England. Blackjack Pershing said we should have kept going deep into Germany because they will never accept the fact they lost the war.

    Comparing Trump to Hitler who took over power in 1933 is not a good analogy, to me anyway.

    Well, we are saddled with unrealistic social programs, massive debt, more males are unemployed than are employed, and people will not accept that they cant get everything from "the rich", and for a bonus we have a bogeyman in a illegal immigrant problem and syrian refugees (refujews?).

    Enter a person who speaks what everyone wants to hear with no background just a good line and hollow ideas with a big blame net for everyone else, and a large portion of the voting population refusing to look past what is said right now and the picture drawn in crayon for them.

    Analogy might not be that far off.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Good points.

    I'm not going down that road, yet (comparisons to Hitler), but, by this time next year, I expect to see a lot of buyer's remorse. I may vote for Trump, depending on how soon and how far he moves left, but it would strictly be a gamble between an unknown and a certain disaster.

    I'm still pulling for Cruz, but I don't have unrealistic expectations, just hoping for a bit of good luck.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,150 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    by this time next year, I expect to see a lot of buyer's remorse.

    As do I. I am completely stunned that people will just fall for what trump is saying now, and not look at the things he has done/ said when he was not trying to get elected.

    Jeeez- I mean, he supported an assault weapons ban. This is a pro gun forum. I can't understand people supporting him here.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,258 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    While Trump is winning at the moment, everyone that will vote for Trump is voting for him. The anti-Trump vote, that hasn't been realized yet because the race is still too wide, exceeds the pro-Trump vote.

    Seeing as the two are very similar in that regard, I wonder if the anti-Hillary/Sanders vote will be stronger than the anti-Trump vote. Trump is at least not under FBI scrutiny, a socialist, or a woman.

    I always think it's so cute when you guys wring your hands over who you're going to vote FOR. I've never had the luxury of voting FOR anyone in a POTUS election. Between the gun-grabbing socialists on one side and the morality-legislating theocrats on the other, voting against the evil of two lessers is a matter of familiar routine for me. Welcome to my world guys!

    As has been said often and loudly, it ain't about who's in the White House for the next 4-8 years; it's about who's manning the bench at the SCOTUS for the next 30-40 that's of utmost importance this time around. I do not like Donald Trump. He's arrogant and politically clueless. That said, I'd rather have the picks for SCOTUS for what is likely to be the rest of my life made by a capitalist shark from Wall Street than either of the Marxist moonbats the other side is serving up. The Constitution can survive Donald Trump. I'm not so sure about Clinton or Sanders.

    As to the OP topic of Trump running 3rd party, don't see why he's need to at this point unless we see a major, MAJOR reversal.
    WWJMBD?

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    As do I. I am completely stunned that people will just fall for what trump is saying now, and not look at the things he has done/ said when he was not trying to get elected.



    Jeeez- I mean, he supported an assault weapons ban. This is a pro gun forum. I can't understand people supporting him here.

    They all flip flop to and fro, even the ones we supported. Sorry for the liberal article, but it captured what they said.

    https://mises.org/blog/gun-control-obama-looks-reagan-and-bush

    Here's George W. Bush in 2004 saying "my view is clear. I do think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban...I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere." Bush even attempts to portray himself as the "sensible" person in the room who supports more gun restrictions while others in both parties refused to support Bush's call for more restrictions.

    Ronald Reagan also supported national background checks and in 1991 wrote a column in The New York Times calling for sweeping changes in federal law on handguns that would greatly restrict access. Remembering the assassination attempt against him, Reagan wrote:

    This nightmare might never have happened if legislation that is before Congress now — the Brady bill — had been law back in 1981.

    Named for Jim Brady, this legislation would establish a national seven-day waiting period before a handgun purchaser could take delivery. It would allow local law enforcement officials to do background checks for criminal records or known histories of mental disturbances. Those with such records would be prohibited from buying the handguns.

    Reagan went on to bemoan the fact that there were not strong enough provisions for federal agents to punish gun dealers who are not thorough enough in their background checks.

    Naturally, we should not expect anything less from Reagan, who as governor of California supported some of the most draconian gun laws ever passed in the state's history (up to that time.)
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Kasich would make a good VP fer Trump. Then Ohio would most likely go Red in the general election.

    It should be obvious by now now that Trump will mellow out some and get on with going after the Pantsuit/Sanders soon. That online test should have shown many on here there is really not all that much difference in them (Rep candidates) on their stances on issues, a few % points.

    I think we need a Mover and Shaker in the WH and I give my support to Trump and will continue to if he gets the Rep nomination.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I have not completely decided if Trump runs as an Ind. If the Establishment Rep party force him out by dirty politics they deserve to lose, then again if he does it outta spite and another H Ross Perot situation arises.....then no.

    I/we will know a lot more after Super Tuesday.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    After all, isn't Trump a lot like Ronnie and our enemies around the world knew he meant "Business" and wouldn't take no BS from them????? Unlike our illustrious Commander in Chief now who has made us weak in the worlds eyes and they are laughing at us and getting away (literally) with murder!

    We need a "SOB" to git er done!
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    I know there are many that want a "true conservative" but Kasich is by far the most electable of the bunch (which shows in his numbers) and the only one I would gladly vote for in the general. Too bad he has been unable to get much attention until now that it's probably too late.
    And I would have given Jim Webb a serious look but he couldn't get the time of day in the Democratic Party.
    As a side note Bernie trounces most of the Rs in those polls, which is interesting and slightly unexpected, but generally confirms how much most people dislike Clinton.
    Everyone knows how crooked Clinton is. Even with that cloud of crap hanging over her, she still beats Trump in the likability and trustworthy categories by about 10%.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Well, there is spit worth of difference between their history in what they support. 1)Hill and Bern at least know that there is a constitution. Hill would get push back from the R side and D's that want to keep their seats. 2) Bern would get nowhere because he is a lunatic lefty independent so no party backing. With a D in the odds historically are in our favor of retaining and gaining seats in the house and senate. 3)If the senate has a spine between them, they should get a centered nominee to SCOTUS.

    With a buffoon progressive R in, he will get backed by the D's and the R's. He is a deal maker by his own admission. Carter called him "malleable", theres a ringing endorsment. Anything he screws up will be blamed on the republicans, think anything dealing with a foreign country, finance, or based on the constitution... FOREVER. The Dems will get what they want because he has ALWAYS (repeat) ALWAYS acted (not spoken like) a progressive Dem except when it was good for his personal bottom line.

    So if it comes down the the clown or a Dem, I aint leaning clown at this point. More downside in the long run.

    1)Oh do they? Why do you think this? If they do, all they know is that the Constitution is a barrier to get around to make things like they want, such as a gun free America.

    2) Don't bank on it. If he's a Dem and his governance remains within the Democratic platform they will back him. There's not that much difference in most Democrats idea of government and Socialism these days. That's why he has a good following.

    3) And this is where the rift between you and me lies. I suspect most of you that would refuse to vote for the Republican nominee if it's someone you don't approve of, is because you don't see the SCOTUS pick as that serious. I and people like me DO see it as VERY serious, more serious than about anything else pending. A Justice is appointed for life. I have seen in my life time what effects a predominately liberal SCOTUS can have on us over the long haul. Some of the biggest problems we have today can be traced back to liberal court decisions. I don't think a liberal court will take away our gun rights overnight, but they can sure cut way back on them. We're moving along real well in Concealed carry in most states and even some states where it was always limited, are opening up now and some are now shall issue states where they used to me may issue. All that could go away in one court decision. And that would probably happen pretty fast once there is a liberal dominated court. And like I said, that could last a long time. There's a lot of old Libtards on the court now that want to retire, and if a democrat is elected you can bet those will retire and the new president would appoint some fresh Libtard blood for the court that would last for another 30 years. Before Scalia died, Thanks to George W and his dad, the court was as good as it's been in 60 years. Now you guys are willing to throw caution to the wind and take a chance on it being restocked with libs that will be there for not just our life time, but our kids life time. Have you ever wondered why things stay the same even with a Republican President and both houses of the legislature? Because of past court rulings. This IS important and TRUMPS most everything else a president can do.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Hold my nose and vote for Rubio. Then take a shower when I get home.[/QUOTE,


    I won't have to hold my nose too hard. I kinda like Rubio. He's young and has some lessons to learn but so does Cruz.

    But, and this is the BIG BUT! What if Trump is the nominee? And just say Cruz decided to run turd party. Would you vote Turd Party then?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    And I would have given Jim Webb a serious look but he couldn't get the time of day in the Democratic Party.

    Everyone knows how crooked Clinton is. Even with that cloud of crap hanging over her, she still beats Trump in the likability and trustwo rthy categories by about 10%.

    Because Webb is one of the few surviving DINOs. Why are their so many RINOs but only a hand full of DINOs? I think I could sleep good at night with a guy like Webb in charge, but I said I THINK! I'm not totally sure, because I have this thing about trusting Dummycraps of any flavor.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Honestly outta all the ones who started out, I liked Huckabee the best and felt even though he is very religious he wouldn't try and cram it down others throats and he would have been a fair understanding, but firm POTUS.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Jermanator wrote: »
    But, and this is the BIG BUT! What if Trump is the nominee? And just say Cruz decided to run turd party. Would you vote Turd Party then?
    There will be a massive revolt in the Republican Party if Trump is nominated. There will be a 3rd party candidate. I am not sure exactly what I will do yet, but promise that I will not vote for Trump under any circumstance.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Ok, I lied. There is one circumstance where I would vote for him-- it would be to keep Bloomberg from being elected. There. I said it. I will vote for Trump.*
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Ok, I lied. There is one circumstance where I would vote for him-- it would be to keep Bloomberg from being elected. There. I said it. I will vote for Trump.*

    Coming to yer senses............almost :tooth:
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    1)Oh do they? Why do you think this? If they do, all they know is that the Constitution is a barrier to get around to make things like they want, such as a gun free America.
    At least they know that it is a barrier and that to pass anything it requires a majority vote.
    2) Don't bank on it. If he's a Dem and his governance remains within the Democratic platform they will back him. There's not that much difference in most Democrats idea of government and Socialism these days. That's why he has a good following.
    But the moderate Dems can choose to NOT vote with him because he is a wack job.
    3) And this is where the rift between you and me lies. I suspect most of you that would refuse to vote for the Republican nominee if it's someone you don't approve of, is because you don't see the SCOTUS pick as that serious. I and people like me DO see it as VERY serious, more serious than about anything else pending. A Justice is appointed for life. I have seen in my life time what effects a predominately liberal SCOTUS can have on us over the long haul. Some of the biggest problems we have today can be traced back to liberal court decisions.
    We dont disagree at all. I dont see anywhere in Trumps history or statements, like when he said his lib sister would make a great justice, that we would get anything from that butt hole but a turd of equal or greater value than aone from Hill or Bern. And IF he is the R president, the lefty R's will back him and the R's who are taking up space will back him and the D's will giggle and laugh and look all depressed while they support the nominee.
    What we disagree on is you believe his BS, I dont, not even a little. IMHO he is a lefty that is running with the wind because like he says, he ALWAYS wins.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Ok, I lied. There is one circumstance where I would vote for him-- it would be to keep Bloomberg from being elected. There. I said it. I will vote for Trump.*

    Why? Billionaire NY antigun lib lying about his record. Trump Bloomberg, two sides of the same coin.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Why? Billionaire NY antigun lib lying about his record. Trump Bloomberg, two sides of the same coin.

    That is an absurd comparison. What "Record" does Trump have? Never been elected like Bloomberg. He is actively engaged in anti-gun groups and has campaigns and media blitzes to take away our guns...............where has Trump done the same?

    Trump said last night he will defend the 2A. I believe him as much as any of the others who have said the same thing in so many words.

    OK, I guess I can compare Cruz to Richard Nixon................makes as much sense. Then again, with all of Ted's "Dirty Tricks" his campaign has pulled, maybe I'm on to something after all.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I don't think Cruz can win the general election too far right tea-partyish for good or bad.............Rubio has a better chance, but I'm going for Trump to get the nomination. He can appeal to voters from all sides. Plus, I like his idys.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
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