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Enough from the "Entitled Leaches"!

sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior MemberPosts: 1,933 Senior Member
The public assistance insanity must stop! For the record I am and have always been anti racism and anti discrimination. I was taught by my parents to evaluate people individually regardless of race, sex, religion, politics, or nationality/ethnicity. About 6 weeks ago a black woman was on the news loudly complaining that her LBT (food stamp) card reload was a day late due to a federal holiday. She stated "I worked all my life for this! I expect to be paid on time"! I'm guessing her Grandmother fed her Mother with welfare. Her Mother fed her with welfare. She is feeding her kids with welfare. The work? I suppose being interviewed by the caseworker who instructs them on filling out the forms then signing and dating them is the "work". Whew! How exhausting! "Socialism works until you run out of other peoples money". Margaret Thatcher. I have many more examples but I'm tired of typing. Ironically the federal holiday that delayed her LBT card reload was MLK day!
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I agree.
    All corporate subsidies should be revoked. Let's cut the chord on the welfare nanny state.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Friend in TX said he saw where some would buy nice steaks like Rib-eyes and then auction them off in the back parking lot for cash at about 1/2 the marked price or less.

    I agree with your frustration. I say hand out the Govt peanut butter/cheese/canned chicken if they are hungry, don't let them starve, but give them some incentive to work toward a better life. Unless they are verified disabled. They could do something like clean roadsides to earn credits toward some cash, but we need a way to instill a work ethic in them.

    It can be a vicious circle for many with kids, no job, no husband, drugs, gangs whatever, but throwing good money after bad hasn't helped has it? Time to try something different similar to the good ole days. Half day of work, half day of self help mandatory classes..........anything is better than just giving handouts on cards month after month and year after year........
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    1. make a list of approved foods that can be purchased with the card.
    2. Drug test for welfare
    3. take total household income and assets, including vehicles into account.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    I agree.
    All corporate subsidies should be revoked. Let's cut the chord on the welfare nanny state.
    Cut the subsidies, remove the taxes, remove the regs by bureaucrats.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    One of the skills I was supposed to teach as part of the trade and industrial education curriculum was "job interview" training. We would cover how to write a resume', fill out a job application, how to dress for an interview, basic communication skills, etc. I would always have my rookie students fill out a short family history including what kind of work was done by parents, siblings, etc. Quite often that part of the lesson plan went off the rails- - - - -"Ain't nobody in my family gots no job- - - -we gets a check!" Some kids couldn't remember either parents or grandparents who had ever held down a job. Then there were the 17 and 18 year old guys who could barely read, but they already had 2 or 3 kids with different girls.

    "Where are we going, and why are we in this hand basket?"

    :angry:
    Jerry
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    I'm not a fan of entitlements, but when you see folks being compensated for making poor decisions, in some instances being encouraged to make those poor decisions...you start to wonder why anyone would bother playing by the rules at all.

    Why is it that unemployment payments have an 'expiration' date (is it back to 26 weeks now?) but welfare is forever? Why do we insist some folks get back to work, while we bend over backwards to ensure others never have to lift a finger?
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I believe in subsistence level aid to the poor - plain, cheap food that they stand in line for, and tax relief for doctors who do volunteer work. Knock $1000 a day off of a doctor's taxable income for working for free one day a week in a clinic, and there will be enough.

    For it all to work properly, though, there have to be non-skilled jobs available, so close the southern border, and severely punish businesses that hire illegal aliens...aggressively.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,922 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I believe in subsistence level aid to the poor - plain, cheap food that they stand in line for, and tax relief for doctors who do volunteer work. Knock $1000 a day off of a doctor's taxable income for working for free one day a week in a clinic, and there will be enough.

    For it all to work properly, though, there have to be non-skilled jobs available, so close the southern border, and severely punish businesses that hire illegal aliens...aggressively.
    Well said
    Unfortunately too many politicians buy votes by giving more to freeloaders
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    One of the skills I was supposed to teach as part of the trade and industrial education curriculum was "job interview" training. We would cover how to write a resume', fill out a job application, how to dress for an interview, basic communication skills, etc. I would always have my rookie students fill out a short family history including what kind of work was done by parents, siblings, etc. Quite often that part of the lesson plan went off the rails- - - - -"Ain't nobody in my family gots no job- - - -we gets a check!" Some kids couldn't remember either parents or grandparents who had ever held down a job. Then there were the 17 and 18 year old guys who could barely read, but they already had 2 or 3 kids with different girls.

    "Where are we going, and why are we in this hand basket?"

    :angry:
    Jerry
    The woman on the news kind of pushed me over the edge. Many people fall on hard times and need public assistance. When it becomes a family tradition career choice through generations, the line has to be drawn! I remember going to school with kids whose family tradition careers were Medicine, Military, Law Enforcement, and Fire and Rescue. When people were in need communities and churches came to their aid. We were then "blessed" with "The Great Society" and there was no hope of turning around. :angry:
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Friend in TX said he saw where some would buy nice steaks like Rib-eyes and then auction them off in the back parking lot for cash at about 1/2 the marked price or less.

    I agree with your frustration. I say hand out the Govt peanut butter/cheese/canned chicken if they are hungry, don't let them starve, but give them some incentive to work toward a better life. Unless they are verified disabled. They could do something like clean roadsides to earn credits toward some cash, but we need a way to instill a work ethic in them.

    It can be a vicious circle for many with kids, no job, no husband, drugs, gangs whatever, but throwing good money after bad hasn't helped has it? Time to try something different similar to the good ole days. Half day of work, half day of self help mandatory classes..........anything is better than just giving handouts on cards month after month and year after year........
    On local and national news they were acquiring prime meat and seafood then selling it for cash half price to high end restaurants! Another scam is food stamp/card people bringing approved merchandise to the counter of independent/corner markets so it can be scanned. They are then paid 50% cash and merchandise is returned to the shelf. When I was a kid (pre food stamps) a local corner market had another scam. They would accept coupons for 100% cash when buying merchandise. The greedy owner would have done anything for an extra dime. He received full value reimbursement for coupons, his normal profit plus 2%. He later became more greedy and would only accept 50% cash for coupons. Someone(s) were disgruntled and turned him in. I want no one to go hungry in our "land of plenty". I totally agree with federal distribution of "raw" staples. Grain, beans/peas, dairy, eggs, produce, and less expensive protein/meat.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    I have no problem helping folks out, what I have a problem with is people making a lifetime out of folks helping them out. Attach a job training requirement to initially receive EBT and drastically reduce the amount received. Finally, make it temporary, like unemployment payments.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    Purina people chow.

    Just sayin
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Got to agree here... Seems like our country has more problems than a math book!
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    I'm not a huge fan of public assistance, especially the way we do it in this country, but also not everyone in this country on ebt or other programs is unemployed. There are way too many jobs in this country that pay below a living wage. I worry way more about the working poor than I do the "leaches" and the fact that many of our public assistance programs phase out pretty sharply as to effectively discourage people from working. Even working full time in most of the crappy service jobs that are an increasingly large portion of our economy it's really hard to scrape by, and there are a lot of reasons that people end up stuck in those jobs and almost none of them are jobs where you can "work your way up". Next time you go to any retail store, or buy a sandwich or buy gas, take a closer look at the people working there. Those people are all poor and all struggling to make ends meet every month. Many will be teenagers, but an increasing number are in their 30's, 40's, or older. These people aren't all "worthless losers", but people who for various reasons have just struggled to get ahead in a country where opportunity has become an increasingly rare commodity.


    We aren't bitching about the folks who are trying to get ahead. We are bitching about the worthless losers who don't care to try and are rarely (if ever) encouraged to. I don't work at a Wal Mart, but I do work in a similar retail setting, and I can tell you this: NOBODY that works for the folks I work for is 'hurting' due to anything else other than their own poor choices. I understand my experience doesn't encompass all of human knowledge, but as a person who actually lives amongst and works with the folks we're talking about, I feel I have some insight.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Friend in TX said he saw where some would buy nice steaks like Rib-eyes and then auction them off in the back parking lot for cash at about 1/2 the marked price or less.

    I agree with your frustration. I say hand out the Govt peanut butter/cheese/canned chicken if they are hungry, don't let them starve, but give them some incentive to work toward a better life. Unless they are verified disabled. They could do something like clean roadsides to earn credits toward some cash, but we need a way to instill a work ethic in them.

    It can be a vicious circle for many with kids, no job, no husband, drugs, gangs whatever, but throwing good money after bad hasn't helped has it? Time to try something different similar to the good ole days. Half day of work, half day of self help mandatory classes..........anything is better than just giving handouts on cards month after month and year after year........

    It's like Ben Carson said the other day, and others have also alluded to it, that Lyndon Johnson got the Great Society legislation passed over 50 years ago. It was supposed to show people the way, to give them a helping hand and cure all this crap once and for all. Now, what, 51 years later we have more people on welfare and food stamps and in poverty than ever. So much for that! It just don't work. It teaches people to hate the rich and takes their incentive away rather than teaching them about the American Dream, that they too can have a piece of the pie instead of the crumbs under the table. In truth, all this BS is about one thing. They give the poor just enough where they believe their false promise, they get them on the entitlement dole and they keep gettin Dummycraps elected. It's like Dr. Walter E. Williams, head professor of the Economics Department at George Mason University and a proud and successful Black American says, "The sole purpose of the NAACP is to provide the Black vote to the Dummycratic party.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Next time you go to any retail store, or buy a sandwich or buy gas, take a closer look at the people working there. Those people are all poor and all struggling to make ends meet every month.

    I spent a lot of time in my adolescence around several restaurants my grandparents owned and operated in the Nashville Tennessee area. Their hired help fit the category you're describing, and I can speak from years of firsthand experience about who they were, and why they were less than successful, rather than pontificating from on high. There were some hardworking people, and there were a huge number of them who would work just long enough to build up some unemployment benefits and then invent some sort of excuse to quit. Many of the waitresses were working to support a deadbeat husband's drinking habit, as drugs hadn't yet become popular for the white underclass in the 1950's. Lots of the kitchen crew, cooks, dishwashers, etc. were people of color, since the customers back then wouldn't tolerate anything other than white wait staff, but they got paid the same as everyone else.

    My grandparents were entrepreneurs, having owned and operated an ice plant, a coal yard, and a small trucking company all through the depression. They worked hard for what they earned, and kept their entire neighborhood employed during hard times. Anyone willing to give a day's work for a day's pay got hired- - - -if they produced, they stayed hired. To avoid layoffs during the summer when coal deliveries slowed down, my grandfather would buy the entire waste slab piles from sawmills in the area, and put his crews to work cutting them up into cook stove wood, which would be bundled and sold year-round. Electric and/or gas stoves were still luxury items back then. He paid $4.00 a car to get his coal unloaded, since the coal yard didn't have facilities to bottom-dump the gondola cars. That was about 12 hours' worth of work. Slave labor, you say? W.P. A. paid $2.00 a day for a 12-hour "work" day that consisted of leaning on a shovel and griping, so he was paying what was effectively double the minimum wage. There were still lots of people, black and white, too lazy to go to the extra effort to earn a "living wage" in the middle of a depression. "Lazy losers"- - - -you bet there were plenty of them, then and now!
    Jerry
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    What I wonder about, but never asked, is why some of the checkers at walmart are 60 to 70 years old.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,149 Senior Member
    I'm sure that some of them retired and then couldn't tolerate sitting at home any longer. others, you can bet, simply planned poorly for retirement and found that out the hard way.

    I can say for sure that it ain't my plan to work until I'm in the ground, and I'm doing what it takes to avoid that outcome right now in my (semi)youth.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,636 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    What I wonder about, but never asked, is why some of the checkers at walmart are 60 to 70 years old.

    Because they were raised to be hardworking productive people and sitting around the house seems like being lazy to them, people like to work, it is good for them, at least that is the way it is in my community. A lot of "old" guys do a lot of farm work in my area, they are not picking rock, but they are definitely getting some work done.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,155 Senior Member
    My time working at the Salvation Army taught me a LOT about a large percentage of the people asking for assistance. I have a very jaundiced eye toward public assistance.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    One of the skills I was supposed to teach as part of the trade and industrial education curriculum was "job interview" training. We would cover how to write a resume', fill out a job application, how to dress for an interview, basic communication skills, etc. I would always have my rookie students fill out a short family history including what kind of work was done by parents, siblings, etc. Quite often that part of the lesson plan went off the rails- - - - -"Ain't nobody in my family gots no job- - - -we gets a check!" Some kids couldn't remember either parents or grandparents who had ever held down a job. Then there were the 17 and 18 year old guys who could barely read, but they already had 2 or 3 kids with different girls.

    "Where are we going, and why are we in this hand basket?"

    :angry:
    Jerry

    I have been thinking about re-entering the job market lately. I put my old Resume out there and got no bites. I had more than one email me back telling me I needed to tune up my resume. Not the spelling or grammar, but rather the "STYLE" it was composed with. They all said I wasn't selling myself as well as I could. Excuse me, but if I tell you what I was good at and what I had done in the past, all of which is verifiable with the references I gave, that's a pretty good sales pitch in my opinion. What they were telling me in other words is I didn't put enough BS into it.

    When they told me that most people in charge of hiring only read the first paragraph of a resume and either can it or take a second look, depending on how well I sold myself, I knew there was something seriously wrong with the accepted hiring practices nowadays.

    English composition and BS has nothing to do with what a person can do for you job wise. I had some tell me I needed to display my talents more than my past record. No wonder the world's in the shape it's in. The BS artists are in charge of the Asylum. It no longer seems what you know, but who and how well you blow them that counts.


    In my honest opinion, your past performance is probably a better indicator of how you will perform on your next job than how you portray your Dog and Pony Show. This sort of crap opens the door to BS Artists over qualified people. I've been there-done that. But I'm not into trying to BS my way into something I know not much about. The whole world is being BSed nowadays. That seems to be where it's at. I mean, what are they hiring here, a salesman or a specialist?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    .........When they told me that most people in charge of hiring only read the first paragraph of a resume and either can it or take a second look, depending on how well I sold myself, I knew there was something seriously wrong with the accepted hiring practices nowadays..........
    This is pretty much universal these days. Back around 2001-2003 when I was looking for a new job the same situation existed. One of the reasons is because of the economy and lack of jobs. For every job posting available there are mostly 100-500 applicants for the same position. It has gotten so bad that a potential employer does not have the time to read all the resume's that come across their desks, and unless you can grab their attention in the first paragraph they will not read the entire thing. Rather than what your education and experience is, (which is important) they want to know what you were able to accomplish in the last job, what your employment goals are and what you can do for the next employer.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Snake, rewrite your resume, sell yourself harder, let them know up front what you can do for the company......but leave the .270 home :jester:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    NOBODY that works for the folks I work for is 'hurting' due to anything else other than their own poor choices.
    :agree:

    When my wife got a second job at Wal-Mart a while ago because she needed some extra income. Her co workers thought that it was a career and that they actually were functional adults and should be able to get ahead working 30 hours a week. They were in their 20's-40's.
    Yes they are "poor" and struggling to make ends meet, however they are, for the most part, unwilling to go the extra mile to bring the ends together, both in earnings and spending. No one has EVER gotten ahead working a 40 hour week, much less a part time job, and you cant out earn waste.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Finding someone who lives paycheck to paycheck who is capable of thinking beyond how to acquire their next six pack, nickel bag, or fast food meal is rare. The ones capable of thinking and planning on a long-term basis don't stay at the bottom of the totem pole for very long. The people who write those paychecks should be wise enough to recognize a new hire with the intelligence and ambition to succeed, and they promote the ones who show some potential pretty rapidly. A mid-level manager who doesn't reward individual effort with a raise or a promotion should be canned post-haste- - - -he's not doing his employer any favors!
    Jerry
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."

    75 years ago, (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."

    Today, Obama has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels and mortgaged the Promised land!

    I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc... I called a Suicide Hotline. I had to press 1 for English, I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I could drive a truck!


    Satire, for sure, but it has a ring of truth to it!
    Jerry
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    26% of all private sector jobs pay less than $10/hr. 38% of workers make less than $20k/yr before taxes. Sure everyone should work hard, get an education, and try to better themselves, but that's a ton of people stuck at the bottom of the heep. Not saying for many of them it's not partially their fault, but it's also because wages have been driven down on the low end of the economic ladder. Who needs a thriving middle class when you can create debt slaves forced into indentured servitude.

    I agree.
    When having ones employees living subsidised by government assistance becomes a business model, somethings very wrong.

    Also many of these service jobs were living wage occupations way back when. No longer.

    The systematic disparagement of honest labor is a cancer. JMO
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."

    75 years ago, (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."

    Today, Obama has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels and mortgaged the Promised land!

    I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc... I called a Suicide Hotline. I had to press 1 for English, I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I could drive a truck!


    Satire, for sure, but it has a ring of truth to it!
    Jerry

    Yeah, I was into that too, until the guy on line showed me a picture of some of the 72 virgins. Then I backed out, they all looked like Hitlery and Rosie O.


    :bang:.....:silly:.....:roll2:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    26% of all private sector jobs pay less than $10/hr. 38% of workers make less than $20k/yr before taxes. Sure everyone should work hard, get an education, and try to better themselves, but that's a ton of people stuck at the bottom of the heep. Not saying for many of them it's not partially their fault, but it's also because wages have been driven down on the low end of the economic ladder. Who needs a thriving middle class when you can create debt slaves forced into indentured servitude.

    Where in your statement does it say that it still isnt the persons personal problem?

    10/hr = about 20K/year @ 40 hours or a bit less a week (2080hrs in a work year @ 40hrs/week). If one is stuck there, then one must change something. A part time job with 20 hrs a week @ the same 10.00 puts the person into 30K/yr. Wow, that was a simple solution and it doesnt even cut into a weekend. Most part time around here are paying 11.25+ for grocery and fast food. Poor and broke is a lifestyle choice.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    I started working for my current employer going on six years ago, working third shift weekends stocking shelves. At first, I was a hero on the night crew, averaging well over the 85 case/hr rate that has been set as the 'bogie' for stockers to meet...but working 60 hours at my 'day' job, and coming in Friday night to work third shift got to be a bit much and I eventually switched to a days (weekends) position. At first, I grumped a little about the shift (there was no night premium) and the loss of weekend days (can't go and do stuff when you have to work), but for all of that, I enjoyed the work and the atmosphere. My duties included bagging groceries, stocking bagging areas, pushing carts, parcel pick-up, etc. You could say I was a lower rung utility infielder. I did everything that the company would allow somebody in my position to do, whatever was asked.

    Fast forward to today. Instead of pushing carts and bagging canned goods, I run my own department. They didn't give me this position because I deserve it, they gave it to me because I earned it. A goodly portion of the "26%" have the attitude that they don't need to do the hard jobs to earn their way up, they want to start as a department head. They don't want to hear about a job offer that doesn't pay six figures and includes dental, health, vision and four paid weeks in Tahiti.

    A 'living wage' isn't the answer, educating and motivating the masses is.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
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