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I am beginning to hope Trump wins it soon.

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  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    2)And 16 years is hardly "overnight".
    I am truly curious Wambli. Where does the 16 years of change come from? He was a Hilary supporter in 08. So at best we have 8 years of change. Can you point me to instances over the last eight years where he was espousing these fundamental changes to his ideology? Or is it just when he started to become interested in the presidential run? They may exist I really don't know, but I doubt it. It would lend a lot of credibility to Trump if there was a record of these changes.
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I find myself unable to read other peoples minds which is a super-power that apparently many here have.
    This statement smacks of a cop-out. Sorry if it is not. We often speak of the thought processes of liberals, Obama, Hilary. My guess is you have often, but I could be wrong. Why is it now some super-power to do so, especially when these concerns are all previously stated opinions of his, or actions of his? Why are you not, at the very least, cautious, and dubious of his new stated world view? Wouldn't you like to have a little proof of his sincerity before you elect him to be the leader of your country?

    Has Trump issued a mea culpa involving his previous opinions? Has he said why he had this change of heart? Again to my recollection the answer is no. He has simply ignored his previous positions as much as possible. Which appears to be what is at issue here. Why are so many willing to simply ignore a mans actions because now he wears an R and says so. Would you trust Hilary running as an R in 2024 if she said she was pro gun, pro business, for less taxation, etc? That would be 8 years time to change her mind. The same time Trump has had. I think not. Which is why I simply can not understand the trust in Trump.

    I thought I understood the power of rhetoric before. I now appreciate it's true power. I have seen it is equally effective to those on the right or left.

    I know now that none of this will matter, I thought I would try once more, but people have made up there minds. Trump is right you know. He could probably shoot someone in broad daylight, and it wouldn't make a bit of a difference.

    Sad days for this country are ahead.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    likeminded Congress
    And that is my point.

    He has been on every side of every issue. There have been times during this run for Pres that he has had a different answer to the same question in three different interviews in the same week.

    Who is like minded? You cant tell me and no one can figure it out. From his past he tends a lot more to liberal socialist than constitutional supporter. Bill Gates is a LOT more successful than The Donald, heck, he never went bankrupt even once, and I dont want him as Pres either.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    You say he'll be better with the economy and, on it's face, that seems obvious ...but you also mentioned his willingness to "do whatever is necessary to win". What if his 'win' isn't the one you think/hope/pray it will be? I can't help but think that his primary objective is something other than making America great again. Will it be Armageddon? Probably not...I do believe Hillary would be a worse choice, but don't take that to mean Trump won't be bad as well.


    Edited to add: I sincerely hope I am wrong about the dude. I WANT to be wrong. Prove me wrong Donald. Please.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »

    That he thought in 2000 that an AWB was a good idea means nothing to me. That he wanted to use the law to bulldoze some ghetto to expand a Hotel that employs thousands means nothing to me, I would have bulldozed the rest of that trash heap Atlantic City given half a chance myself. And I understand the use of bankruptcy as a business tool well enough that his "bankruptcys" mean squat to me.
    It wasnt using the law, it was paying politicians to go above and beyond the law and write a new one to suit them that he did to STEAL someones property.
    Second, AC wasnt a ghetto until they put casinos in. I was there before and after. All the hype about how wonderful it would be for everyone sounds a lot like the sales pitch that is going on now by the same guy. A lot pf promising, not a lot of results. He stole, he built, he went bankrupt, he was kicked out of the business. It is a theme that reoccurs.
    Bankruptcy is a tool for a business to use. I dont have a real problem with that. A business that continues to go into bankruptcy and uses it as a way to cover itself in the short term, I have a problem with that. It isnt why there are bankruptcy laws and that is not success.

    What I do believe is that he will find a way to:

    -Fix the economy by creating GOOD work for Americans by building an economy and tax structure that makes companies, both foreign and domestic, want to keep/bring their money HERE in the USA Maybe
    -Fix the trading issues that are bleeding us dry Congress makes trade deals, not the pres
    -Stop the flow of illegal cash going to the third world out of this country through Western Union (one of the biggest issues of our economy and he's the only one who's man tinned fixing it) How is he going to stop private citizens from transfering money? Who says its illegal and who says its legal?
    -Allow the Military to carry personal weapons so my kids are not sitting ducks in uniform for the next ISIS wannabe Again, not his call. I am for it, but it has nothing to do with a politician of any stripe.
    -Make the Senior management of government agencies accountable for their piss poor performance and FIRE some of this legacy dead wood. Maybe
    -Select an rabid dog AG with integrity and BALLS that will put Hillary in JAIL for all her crimes which will send a message to the rest of the traitors operating in government today. Hey maybe we can hang her for espionage! :tooth: Hes going to put his best buddy in jail? Dont hold you breath.
    -Allow us to put conservative Judges to the Supreme Court so we can restore the balance and counter those two Obama progressive POSs Keagan and Sotomayor. Again, what in his history points at all to him even understanding what a conservative justice looks like?
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Murphy's LawMurphy's Law Member Posts: 313 Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    All you anti Hitler Jews need to hold your nose and close your eyes and let it happen.

    FIFY
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,186 Senior Member
    That FIFY is not even close to funny. Way out of line dude
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Well maybe your crystal ball is better than mine but I have to go with what I see and believe, NOW.

    I don't think we are quite to the point where we have to resort to a crystal ball, yet.

    We can still examine trends, which all business types seem to give great weight. When any financial expert I have ever consulted is counseling a rube like me, he points to graphs that show trend lines that go back to the Great Depression, to try to convince me that the market can indeed be predicted with a reasonable margin of error. No matter how much I point out how much the country is different, now, they insist that the trend lines are still the best predictor of the future. It goes against what I really believe, but I always give in to the logic, because, after all, I am paying them to advise me on things that I don't have a complete command of. I let my 'logical mind' overrule my 'spiritual mind,' in other words.

    If you put the evidence that is available on Donald Trump's political stances into a left/right graph, I'm quite sure that it would show a reasonably smooth line, until it got to somewhere around the year 2012 (give or take a year or two). That is the approximate year that he began to think his candidacy might actually work, with a few tweaks, here and there. Once he actually settled on a 'business model' that he believed might work, and began to execute it, I think that the sharp 'spikes' that would indicate volatility, would start to show up. Most of those smooth trend lines that businessmen love so much would begin to have those extreme highs and lows that long term investors usually want to steer clear of. Naturally, the gamblers will always believe that this is a great opportunity for quick profit, and will try to predict the upward spikes, and jump off just before they plummet, but it is never a winning strategy, for most of them.

    Why do investors steer clear of graphs that indicate volatility? Because, smooth lines are an indicator of consistency, that translate into stable, long term profits, and the hills and valleys with sharp peaks indicate volatility and inconsistency...gambling, rather than investing.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Just one point I want to make. AC has been the armpit of the world for decades, been there through the years enough to know, but again, meaningless to me.
    I was there also. I was there when Brigantine was a nice family resort and you could walk the boardwalk in AC without junkies and thugs all around. Pre casino/Trump days.
    I guess we'll resume this conversation in 8 years
    Not likely. If he gets elected, the people who think he is going to bring jobs back will be spending 5000.00 on a Iphone like they do in Mexico where there are massive tariffs which will put the freebee crowd off their grain. He will be out on his butt in 4 if he doesnt quit before that.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    You didn't misquote him, but what he said 16 years ago is irrelevant. People change, and since then, quite recently in fact, The Donald has had a road-to Damascus level political epiphany. Quoting Ronaldus Magnus 16 years before he became a Republican, and trying to use that against him, would be equally nonsensical. The Donald is a bona-fide gun freak - he has his CCW permit, and he carries. I would bet lots of our forum members don't. So sad.

    Do yourself a favor - don't worry about anything any presidential candidate says. Unless that candidate captures the Congress along with the White House, his agenda is dead on arrival. Even if your favorite candidate does win the election, by the time Congress gets through adding and subtracting amendments to his bills, when they arrive on his desk, they are virtually unrecognizable. And then the Courts get a shot at them. If Trump or Cruz are able to enact a quarter of their plans, it will be a miracle. If Mexico pays for Trump's wall with a rubber check, so what? We still get our wall. If Trump can't deport more than half the illegals, he's tied with the number Eisenhower deported. We're still millions of illegals ahead of where we were. If Cruz can't repeal more than half of Obama's executive orders, because it's too late and they have all been acted on, that's OK, I'll settle for half. Same with the ACA - if all President Cruz can do is modify, improve, and 'fix' it instead of repealing it, aren't we still better off? The most any nominated candidate can do for sure is influence his Party's platform.

    If we have to discount the details, what can we use to come to a ballot decision? First of all, candidates don't win general elections, Parties do. Candidates just win primaries. If you're not sure which Party to support, wait for the conventions to happen, then examine the different Party Platforms. They will reveal the general trends and directions their office holders will take. Vote for every candidate without exception of the Party that best agrees with the trend or direction you want the country to take. For your Party to really win, all its candidates must win, not just the top of the ticket. Enjoy.

    "Democracy is the pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken




    T R U M P
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    Not many forum members carry ? Are you sure about that ?
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    There are several that don't live in free states and some that just don't.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    And that is my point.

    He has been on every side of every issue. There have been times during this run for Pres that he has had a different answer to the same question in three different interviews in the same week.

    Who is like minded? You cant tell me and no one can figure it out. From his past he tends a lot more to liberal socialist than constitutional supporter. Bill Gates is a LOT more successful than The Donald, heck, he never went bankrupt even once, and I dont want him as Pres either.

    And what of Hillary? She's less liberal socialist?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    And what of Hillary? She's less liberal socialist?

    bout the same, without as rabid a following. He was a major donor, when he became a Dem again after the Reform party, after a short stint as a R after the previous lifetime as a Dem. She was the cats meow to head the State Dept. IAW what he said. Ones a progressive socialist with dictatorial tendency, and the other is a dictatorial progressive with socialist tendency.

    Of course it doesnt matter, because he said different this week
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Awesome. When you have a chance I'll take the lotto numbers for Saturday's drawing... :tooth:
    You were the one who said he will be in for 8, your numbers first. Opp's, sorry, you said that in the past, it doesnt matter.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bout the same, without as rabid a following. He was a major donor, when he became a Dem again after the Reform party, after a short stint as a R after the previous lifetime as a Dem. She was the cats meow to head the State Dept. IAW what he said. Ones a progressive socialist with dictatorial tendency, and the other is a dictatorial progressive with socialist tendency.

    Of course it doesnt matter, because he said different this week

    See, this is where we differ. And we differ impassibly here I think. No way I'm believing a successful business man and Billionaire is as Socialistic and liberal as Hillary. No way no how. I think you're seeing ghost here imagining Trump is way worse than he is. I will still take a chance on him than any DUMMYCRAP! ANYDAY!!!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    I guess we'll resume this conversation in 8 years to see who was right.

    Yep, this was in the past. Now you have posted something different. I get it, it didnt happen. It has been explained to me in a way in which I understand, and if it is explained again in a different way with a different outcome, I will understand that to. I'm feeling it, gooooo Trump.

    Of course the word "if" I used in my statement RE {If he gets elected}, was also in the past so you, as a Trump supporter are allowed to ignore it if it suits you.

    Actually, since I found out that Iphones are 5k+ where there are tariffs on them to equal out the trade deficits, I am leaning more towards Drumpf. Anything to get those things out of the hands people is a good thing.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    See, this is where we differ. And we differ impassibly here I think. No way I'm believing a successful business man and Billionaire is as Socialistic and liberal as Hillary. No way no how. I think you're seeing ghost here imagining Trump is way worse than he is. I will still take a chance on him than any DUMMYCRAP! ANYDAY!!!
    Thing is, he IS a dummycrap. For many many years before he decided to run for office the first time. He supported Dummycraps, he wooed dummycraps far beyond what is normal schmoozing to politicians. After he ran for office as a third party candidate, he went BACK to being a dummycrap. He only became a Republican, and a liberal republican to run for office. His background is getting support to make things happen for Trump, he found the willing investors, and they were PO'ed Republicans, he rebranded himself, and he sold them a bill of goods. Nowhere in his story is there a break with the Democrat party.
    July 2015
    Asked if she would be a good president, Trump teed off: “She was the worst secretary of state in the history of our nation, why would she be a good president? I think she would be a terrible president.”

    As fellow New Yorkers, Trump and Clinton have had something of a personal relationship. The Clintons attended Trump’s 2005 wedding, and the mogul donated to Clinton’s Senate campaign. So perhaps it’s not surprising that he was more positive about Clinton in the not-too-distant past.

    “Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman,” he told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren in March of 2012. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York. She lives in New York. I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard.”

    “I think she really works hard and I think she does a good job. I like her,” he added of the then-secretary of state.http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trumps-change-heart-hillary-clinton

    That isnt 16 years, that is less than 4 years. But I understand that it was in the past and doesnt matter unless The Donald says it today.

    And FYI in case you hadnt noticed. Liberals dont believe in socialism for them, just for you.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,632 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    See, this is where we differ. And we differ impassibly here I think. No way I'm believing a successful business man and Billionaire is as Socialistic and liberal as Hillary. No way no how. I think you're seeing ghost here imagining Trump is way worse than he is. I will still take a chance on him than any DUMMYCRAP! ANYDAY!!!


    Bill Gates. George Soros. Tom Steyer. Michael Bloomberg. Fred Eychaner. Marilyn Simons.

    All solid business people. Definitely all Republicans too...:roll:

    You're right, no way any stinking libtard could EVER be a decent businessman! Why, the two mindsets are fundamentally, diametrically opposed! Incidentally, the top two Democratic donors for F.Y. 2014 are in the list I just supplied...to the (combined) tune of more than $100 million. Neither one of them is named Soros. He didn't even make the top fifteen.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    Of course it doesnt matter, because he said different this week

    You're making way too much of this. He was telling the truth, both times. Narcissists get a pass on this trait, because they always believe what they say...as if it were directly from the 'burning bush.' Obama has proved this over and over.
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Interesting read.

    The Trump Protectionist Party.

    Katty Kay Presenter, BBC World News.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35836102

    And I quote;

    "It may be useful to stop thinking of this presidential campaign as a contest between Democrats and Republicans.

    Hillary Clinton is a Democrat. Donald Trump is also a Democrat.

    Come on, you know it's true.

    This isn't a political race, it's a class race.

    A much more useful lens through which to view this election is that of class. This isn't exactly a class war - that's too European for the US - but it is a class election. And indeed a race election. "
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    shush,

    I think your pundits are just as confused about this Trump phenomenon as ours are. What it is really all about is a reality TV star, who is also a multi-billionaire, who has found the correct formula for turning the frustration and anger of millions of people who hate politics into protest votes against the status quo.

    Nobody knows much of anything about his ideology, because he disavows everything that took place before he became a candidate... except for whatever he chooses to spoon feed us. It doesn't really fit well into any political template...probably because it was all picked from a menu, ala carte.
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 4,366 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    There are tons of folks here issuing all sort a of baseless predictions about what a Trump presidency would be like. We'll see WHO was right in 8 years.

    Others' predictions are baseless, however we'll predict that Trump will be elected president. Twice.

    Speculations and predictions are what the election process is all about. Especially in the primaries. That's partly how people make their decisions. Evaluate a candidates past, present and form an opinion on what their future might look like. Trump supporters generally seem to be willing to let go of the "past" part. Focus on now. No predictions and no answering for the past. If there is an answer, it's because Trump says so. Not because he's proven otherwise or even made a decent explanation. At least not yet. But Trump's flexible. He can change. He's a brilliant business man.

    Trump is a successful business man and is using it to his advantage. He's rebranded himself and made himself desirable to his target market. Whether or not the rebranded Trump is actually what we get, if we get it; of course, there's no way of knowing.

    We'll see who was right, but it might no take 8 years to figure it out.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    It's flattering that you focus all your attention on my posts but by saying who was right I meant the general who. There are tons of folks here issuing all sort a of baseless predictions about what a Trump presidency would be like. We'll see WHO was right in 8 years. Hey can you can tell me about those 5k iPhones? I haven't bumped into any of them. Would love to see some links?
    Got it a week ago from a guy who just got back from working in Mexico City. He is a Trump supporter so even if he makes it up it must be right.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Interesting read.

    The Trump Protectionist Party.

    Katty Kay Presenter, BBC World News.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35836102

    And I quote;

    "It may be useful to stop thinking of this presidential campaign as a contest between Democrats and Republicans.

    Hillary Clinton is a Democrat. Donald Trump is also a Democrat.

    Come on, you know it's true.

    This isn't a political race, it's a class race.

    A much more useful lens through which to view this election is that of class. This isn't exactly a class war - that's too European for the US - but it is a class election. And indeed a race election. "
    Apparently the lens that is used across the pond is of better quality than is currently available to the general voter in the colonies.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    Bill Gates. George Soros. Tom Steyer. Michael Bloomberg. Fred Eychaner. Marilyn Simons.

    All solid business people. Definitely all Republicans too...:roll:

    You're right, no way any stinking libtard could EVER be a decent businessman! Why, the two mindsets are fundamentally, diametrically opposed! Incidentally, the top two Democratic donors for F.Y. 2014 are in the list I just supplied...to the (combined) tune of more than $100 million. Neither one of them is named Soros. He didn't even make the top fifteen.
    Another thing I was wondering was how many other millionaires spend all kinds of time on Twitter belittling women.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,186 Senior Member
    Another thing I was wondering was how many other millionaires spend all kinds of time on Twitter belittling women.

    I have been wondering why some folks on here spend so much time attempting to belittle Trump.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    I have been wondering why some folks on here spend so much time attempting to belittle Trump.


    Because he has a severe lack of character and wants to be the leader of my country. For some reason with some of the electorate, he can do whatever he wants to and thats OK because hes The Donald.

    So was my statement untrue? Is that commonplace millionaire behavior? How is it belittling someone to post a fact about him? Belittling is to make someone unimportant. I think it is VERY important, and if my CinC is wasting all night Twittering about people who disagreed with him, that is a problem. If I was making it up or just calling him ugly, then sure that is belittling. Pointing out a fact may hurt his feelings, and his followers, but the truth hurts I guess.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,186 Senior Member
    Have to admit, it was a jab. Everyone on this forum knows your opinion. Not gonna change the way anyone already feels. If you feel that strongly, find a way to be on the 6 oclock news and tell people that want to hear it.
    This is America, you have the right to do so.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,988 Senior Member
    Facts suck. Instead of refuting my statement you take a shot at me by saying I am belittling him. Nope, just asking a question amid a whole lot of fairy tales that people seem to accept. I dont feel any way about it. I think that my father would still kick my butt if I was in any way that low class.

    It still stands as a honest question. Is that normal millionaire behavior?
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    And Bubba has been accused of sexual harressment or rape 14 times, not her fault but she has put up with it for the sake of power/money. Of course Huma (another enabler) comforts her.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,186 Senior Member
    Well yea, it seems to be the norm these days. Just watched the news about the wives issue.
    Media makes Trump look like the instigator, but reality is Cruz supporters made a commercial about Trumps wife. Believe Cruz did not know or approve? I sure don't.

    Read Wambli's last post, it answers all you question. Still do not like him? Fine, support anyone you desire, this is America after all. I took an oath and wore a uniform for over 20 years to support that right. I really do understand what freedom means.

    I'm going back to the gun room now.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
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