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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    You guys didn't read my "Forum Party" thread very well.
    More about that-- lets say that Gator Monroe promises us free .22 Agulia ammo (because he claims he will make the Mexicans pay for it). Then he claims that everyone will get free guns (so we are buying guns at the expense of taxpayers for both welfare trash that can't feed themselves let alone buy ammo and will pawn them for weed first chance they get along with billionaires like Michael Bloomberg). After that, on national television, he says he will order our sons and daughters in the military to murder the families of our enemies-- and calls it "leadership".

    While he may have been "one of us" before he got banned, there is a sizable portion of us that find his ideas and reasoning so bad-- and quite frankly dangerous to the republic, that we could never support him.

    Then there are some of here going, but yea... Screw those Mexicans, I like free rimfire ammo! Others... Free guns! Yet more-- I am not worried about him sending my kids to murder our enemy's families, because he said my kids will get to carry on base!
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    People reluctantly got behind him

    I dont think anyone would willingly do that.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Butt Jerm is the Ted Cruz of the forum.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    What will lose the election is if REP and the REP Party don't unite behind the chosen nominee. I'm willing to, but others are not because they are filled with such hatred for anything Trump and refuse to admit it.

    Why would I need a mirror if he wins the nomination? I have already voted in my FLA primary, nothing I can do now except wait for the Convention.

    What do you suggest, not vote if Trump is on the REP ticket in Nov? Are you gonna vote or stay home?

    Again IF TRUMP is on the REP ballot in Nov what will you do?

    I've said it before, I'm not a Trumper per se. I'm first and foremost a Cruzer. Cruz is my number one guy. But if Trump is nominated over him, Trump is the man. Because I've looked real hard at what is at stake. This isn't a case of "Oh well, we'll teach the Establishment a lesson and we'll let Hillary win before we'll vote for Trump. The No Way Trumpers are right along side the Establishment now. But you better watch out, because the Establishment really doesn't like Cruz much better than Trump and they've got something sneaky up their sleeve. If you think they're going to get behind Cruz you're smoking some funny stuff. They are trying to maneuver a dark horse in and screw the voters into making their votes not count. They want to pick the nominee in spite of what we the people want. Everybody needs to back off and let the system work as intended. No funny stuff at the Convention. Let be what it is. If it's Trump so be it, if it's Cruz so be it. Kashich is really mathematically out of it, but the party's that be are trying to let him hop scotch into being the candidate. Why? because so many of y'all are so anti Trump they can maneuver us. Just like the Dummycraps. They are laughing their asses off at us. They are hoping you all stay home or vote third party. You hard core Trump Haters are playing right into the left's hands. And they will get everything they want. They will get so many Libtard Justices on the court you won't know this nation in 5 years. You won't have guns either. Yeah, I suppose it's possible Othat Trump might pick a libtard for the SCOTUS too, but that's a might. With Hillary it's a WILL! No might to it. You people are willing to cut your nose off to spite your face. Oh well, I'm tired of beating my head against a Concrete wall. But like BC, the only pleasure I will get out of it is telling you I told you so. Good buy 2A-Hello Socialism. When Hillary or Bernie get to pick 4 justices to take Clarence Thomas's and Kennedy's Place and filling Scalia's spot, instead of having a Republican President getting to name two Democrat positions, they will change the face of the country and drive it so far into socialism we will never turn it around. If Hillary gets elected it's the end as we know it. Nuff Said!!!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    You guys keep saying how Trump cant beat Hillary. Well, if your man Cruz can't beat Trump, what chance does he have? You have become so anti Trump your missing the big picture.
    Again back whomever you want now, but in the end you vote against the worst.
    Again, it is your right to vote for and back the person of your choice, but it is everyone elses right also.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    Tell me how Trump will beat Hillary when, in the party he currently belongs to, he cant pull any more % than he did when he started. You are laboring under some fantasy that a majority of people will vote for him that isnt supported by anything. Yes he is pulling Dems into the R primary's, when means he really has LESS R support by percentage than what the numbers show.

    To sum up.
    He cant get a majority of the party he currently belongs to to vote for him.
    He doesnt have the support to win the general, no matter if all of us vote for him, he has already alienated the 20ish % and turns more off on a daily basis.

    Explain to me how he does it instead of saying I am missing the big picture, because I am pretty convinced you are not even in the same art gallery.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,610 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    You guys keep saying how Trump cant beat Hillary. Well, if your man Cruz can't beat Trump, what chance does he have? You have become so anti Trump your missing the big picture.
    Again back whomever you want now, but in the end you vote against the worst.
    Again, it is your right to vote for and back the person of your choice, but it is everyone elses right also.

    Thank you for allowing others to vote for whomever they wish. Very big of you. In fact, I'd like to take this chance to reciprocate. You have my blessing to vote for whomever you choose.

    There were several candidates early on that could have beaten Hillary. I don't think it matters now. As hated as Hillary is, we managed to put our votes behind the one person running who is MORE hated than she is. Once again, Republicans have managed to screw the pooch in a presidential election.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    Thank you for allowing others to vote for whomever they wish. Very big of you. In fact, I'd like to take this chance to reciprocate. You have my blessing to vote for whomever you choose.

    There were several candidates early on that could have beaten Hillary. I don't think it matters now. As hated as Hillary is, we managed to put our votes behind the one person running who is MORE hated than she is. Once again, Republicans have managed to screw the pooch in a presidential election.


    I did not allow you that right, you being an American did. I just happened to be one of many that wore the uniform that helped protect that right for over 20 years. And I still will fight to protect that right.

    In wearing the uniform I served under a Clinton administration and cringed to call him CINC, but I respected the office he held. I pray I do not need to do that under another Clinton again.

    I agree with part of your last statement. While I am not sure any of the several candidates that we started with could beat Hillary, I think the only one that stands a chance is now the front runner. While I am not convinced he will do well, I believe he is the best of the choices that we have. Mr. Cruz has some great ideas, but I believe he will tear what little good that is left of our Government apart all while in his mind and heart believes he is doing the right thing. I also believe he will be unable to leave his religion out of any of his decisions.

    The leaders of the so called Republican party have done their best to make the party implode for some reason. A few very powerful people have decided that it is their way or screw the country. I am still trying to figure out exactly who they are and put a name and face to these so called leaders and decision makers. The few names that surface are not names you hear on the 6:00 news every day.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    Tell me how Trump will beat Hillary when, in the party he currently belongs to, he cant pull any more % than he did when he started. You are laboring under some fantasy that a majority of people will vote for him that isnt supported by anything. Yes he is pulling Dems into the R primary's, when means he really has LESS R support by percentage than what the numbers show.

    To sum up.
    He cant get a majority of the party he currently belongs to to vote for him.
    He doesnt have the support to win the general, no matter if all of us vote for him, he has already alienated the 20ish % and turns more off on a daily basis.

    Explain to me how he does it instead of saying I am missing the big picture, because I am pretty convinced you are not even in the same art gallery.

    Once again, the numbers make him the top runner of the GOP. So I ask you, who else?? Don't say Cruz because he can not beat trump. And as far as being in galleries, the only one you seem to be able to see is your own.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Most pulling the strings are behind the scenes power brokers and their money and influence goes a long way to pulling the strings of those they support, both before and after they are elected.

    Trump does not dance to their tune and is not Bought and Paid for by them and other Special Interest and Lobby Groups and they Hate him for not being Beholden to them.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,670 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    If Cruz is the nominee, then we stand united. If it's Don, then divided we'll fall. I honestly don't think our vote is going to matter. The Republican party is too divided and too fractious. As Dan C. posted on another thread, we have been well and truly played. I'm not convinced Trump was actively involved, but we were played all the same.

    Donald will blame it all on the 'special rules', you will blame it on me, the young will blame it on the old. Business as usual.

    Most of us would vote for Cruz if he wins the nomination, but I think he has a good chance of losing the general for the same reasons McCain and Romney lost, in that a certain segment of the Republican voters won't vote for him because of things the moderates don't like. As for me, not voting for Trump if he wins the nomination is foolish because the alternative is much worse IMO.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Who knows what will happen at Convention. Who knows what kinda October Surprises will pop up before the general election and who knows if Pantsuit will be forced out.

    I think we all want the same things from a POTUS, just have different opinions on who is best to do that.

    So enjoy, think I'll take a little sabbatical from this Trump/Cruz discussion, again. Honestly my time on the forum was better and more enjoyable when I did..................

    God Bless you all and enjoy :angel2: :angel2: :group: :group: :hug: :hug:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Who knows what will happen at Convention. Who knows what kinda October Surprises will pop up before the general election and who knows if Pantsuit will be forced out.

    I think we all want the same things from a POTUS, just have different opinions on who is best to do that.

    So enjoy, think I'll take a little sabbatical from this Trump/Cruz discussion, again. Honestly my time on the forum was better and more enjoyable when I did..................

    God Bless you all and enjoy :angel2: :angel2: :group: :group: :hug: :hug:

    I am also, seems like the same old things are being said over and over by everyone
    Once again heading back to the other side of the forum and talk about something fun, GUNS and of course the thread that never ends
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,939 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    If it does come to that, only a damned fool wouldn't vote for Trump between the two.

    Like it, hate it, you still have to think of the consequences of not voting.

    Before anyone gets their panties in a knot, I'm not calling you Trump haters fools, but sure will if Pantsuit gets elected because Never Trumpers refused to cast their vote for him allowing her to win.

    If Trump is not nominated and Cruz is, I'll vote for my 2nd choice........Ted over that Witch any day of the week.

    Likewise, you should vote for Trump if Cruz doesn't get the nomination.

    Chief, has it occurred to you that not everyone who opposes Trump is a Trump hater? I don't like Trump because I don't trust him, or like how he comports himself, but I don't hate him. He's been a New York liberal democrat for most of his adult life, and now I'm supposed to believe in his miraculous conversion to conservativism? He is making promises he can't deliver, such as making Mexico pay for the wall, or deporting 12 million illegals and so on. His forte is slinging mud, lying, name calling and hurling unfounded accusations at any opponent who he deems a thread, no matter how minor a threat it may be.

    Quite frankly, I am not confident he would be a better president than Hillary, or not revert to his liberal ways if he gets elected. Maybe it's not the "Trump haters" who are being fooled.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    Trump isn't going to lose to Hillary because "damned fools"refuse to vote for him, he's going to lose because 70% of Americans will refuse to vote for him. On that fateful November day, when it's time for the name calling to commence.......I hope you have a mirror handy.

    Yeah well, go look in your mirror, and you will see part of that 70%. Be sure to use a sharp knife to cut your nose off just to spite your face.

    Think of it like this, "You're on the 20th floor of a hotel. The hotel is on fire. You go to the window because the flames are at your door. You look down and below you on the ground they have put a deep pool that would cushion your fall and save your life. Only problem is, the pool ain't full of water, it's full of Pooh (Substitute the S word here). You've got a choice, stay up there and burn and die or jump and land in the pool of Pooh! I'll Eat the Pooh to save my life. Are you hard headed enough to die?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    I love the high level of discourse that is the new norm in politics...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Once again, the numbers make him the top runner of the GOP. So I ask you, who else?? Don't say Cruz because he can not beat trump. And as far as being in galleries, the only one you seem to be able to see is your own.
    Yes, he is currently the top vote getter, but he does NOT have a majority. That doesnt explain how he will win in the general. In fact it has nothing to do with it.

    Cruz can sure as heck beat Trump. He out smarted and out worked him in the last 11 primaries. Since it has become a tighter field Trump IS NOT GAINING in popularity. I am not saying that Cruz will walk the general, but he has been getting the votes that were not going for Trump and winning by a majority once the culls were cut from the herd.

    FYI, I found out the deal with CO.
    The way CO had it set up was that all nominees would be locked in by percentage. So if Fiorina pulled 50% in CO, then they would have to vote for Fiorina in the first round of the convention like a lot of delegates are having to do. To give CO a voice in the convention, they had to change the rules and what they did is what they came up with LAST AUGUST.

    So anyone who is now griping about the way it went down, there was 9 months to complain. Everyone raced on the same track, some worked and won, others went to NY and whined.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Yeah well, go look in your mirror, and you will see part of that 70%. Be sure to use a sharp knife to cut your nose off just to spite your face.

    Think of it like this, "You're on the 20th floor of a hotel. The hotel is on fire. You go to the window because the flames are at your door. You look down and below you on the ground they have put a deep pool that would cushion your fall and save your life. Only problem is, the pool ain't full of water, it's full of Pooh (Substitute the S word here). You've got a choice, stay up there and burn and die or jump and land in the pool of Pooh! I'll Eat the Pooh to save my life. Are you hard headed enough to die?
    Well, if you know the pool was lined with spikes to just below the surface before it was filled in with poo, you have pictures, the contractors estimate, and the written contract that the spikes are there, and you saw them there yesterday, do you confidently jump there because the guy who sold the poo to the hotel says that he moved them?

    It is a good analogy though Chief. At best Trump will be a steamy pile at least on the surface.

    (FYI Pooh is a bear, poo is the Trump, your analogy, not mine :jester: )

    However I dont think 70% is a good number. It isnt 70% of Americans that dont want him, its 70% of the party he is currently aligned with. That changes when it goes to the general election. I think you guys are confusing the primary voters with the general voting populace. Even if 100% of the R party votes for him, he still has to make up about 20% of the general population just to get to half.
    So lose by 70%, nope, but, 60%? sure. The 40+% rabid Dems and half the leftover voters will give the election the the Dems.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    Chief, has it occurred to you that not everyone who opposes Trump is a Trump hater? I don't like Trump because I don't trust him, or like how he comports himself, but I don't hate him. He's been a New York liberal democrat for most of his adult life, and now I'm supposed to believe in his miraculous conversion to conservativism? He is making promises he can't deliver, such as making Mexico pay for the wall, or deporting 12 million illegals and so on. His forte is slinging mud, lying, name calling and hurling unfounded accusations at any opponent who he deems a thread, no matter how minor a threat it may be.

    Quite frankly, I am not confident he would be a better president than Hillary, or not revert to his liberal ways if he gets elected. Maybe it's not the "Trump haters" who are being fooled.

    But that's the point here Jerry, no neither am I confident he would be better. But can he be worse? We KNOWwhat she will be, but you're only speculating on what Trump will be.

    And as far as making all those promises, hey wait a minute, they all do that crap! They all promise us the world and hardly ever come through with all of that BS. But in this case I'm more worried about what I know will happen than what Might Happen. And if Hillary is in the White House I believe it will be much worse than Trump being there.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Well, if you know the pool was lined with spikes to just below the surface before it was filled in with poo, you have pictures, the contractors estimate, and the written contract that the spikes are there, and you saw them there yesterday, do you confidently jump there because the guy who sold the poo to the hotel says that he moved them?

    It is a good analogy though Chief. At best Trump will be a steamy pile at least on the surface.

    (FYI Pooh is a bear, poo is the Trump, your analogy, not mine :jester: )

    However I dont think 70% is a good number. It isnt 70% of Americans that dont want him, its 70% of the party he is currently aligned with. That changes when it goes to the general election. I think you guys are confusing the primary voters with the general voting populace. Even if 100% of the R party votes for him, he still has to make up about 20% of the general population just to get to half.
    So lose by 70%, nope, but, 60%? sure. The 40+% rabid Dems and half the leftover voters will give the election the the Dems.

    Wrongo! Poo is Crap! And in this case if Hillary gets in the White House it will be a Bear of a Crap! So Pooh applies!

    And I'm not arguing the numbers with you, I'm arguing that if you guys would go for Trump, or whoever gets the Republican Nomination, then we wouldn't have to worry about any 70% against. We'd win the damn election and Trump or not, We wouldn't have Hillary!

    And we'd live to fight another day.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,939 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    But that's the point here Jerry, no neither am I confident he would be better. But can he be worse? We KNOWwhat she will be, but you're only speculating on what Trump will be.

    And as far as making all those promises, hey wait a minute, they all do that crap! They all promise us the world and hardly ever come through with all of that BS. But in this case I'm more worried about what I know will happen than what Might Happen. And if Hillary is in the White House I believe it will be much worse than Trump being there.

    Believe what you will, Snake. I may vote for Trump, but I may not vote for anyone. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    Believe what you will, Snake. I may vote for Trump, but I may not vote for anyone. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.

    OK Well, I can't argue with you on that because neither of us have any way to prove our argument except in saying the that the Proof is in the Pudding and so we'll have to wait and see. I know from reading your posts you are an above average smart guy and I pray you make the best decision when the time comes.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    MSNBC did a poll recently that showed a near tie between trump and hilliary - 46% to 48%. Within the margin of error. Pretty sure that 70% # is old data.

    But poll had Romney kicking O's butt too.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Write in. Just as I did when Bush, McCain, and Romney ran. It is not hatred for Trump. It is understanding who he is, and knowing him to be bad for our country.

    Oh, so you know Trump personally? I don't. Never met the man in person. I got no real idea what kind of character he has. BTW, I have no real clue what kind of Character Ted Cruz has. I've never met him either. And to take this one step further, I have no idea what kind of real character Hillary has. But I do know something about her politics. They suck in my opinion. I can't see Trump being any worse or even near as bad as her idea of the world. Trump if nothing else believes in free enterprise. He's seen it work first hand and damn good too! I've seen first hand what socialism can do to a country and THAT SUCKS BIG WEENIES! And that's what Hitlery and Bernie and Obummer are all about. If it wouldn't have been for the GOP taking back the legislature in 2014 you would already seen what a pickle we'll be in if Hitlery prevails.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Wrongo! Poo is Crap! And in this case if Hillary gets in the White House it will be a Bear of a Crap! So Pooh applies!

    And I'm not arguing the numbers with you, I'm arguing that if you guys would go for Trump, or whoever gets the Republican Nomination, then we wouldn't have to worry about any 70% against. We'd win the damn election and Trump or not, We wouldn't have Hillary!

    And we'd live to fight another day.
    Snake, you are using percentages from two different things. Lets say the whole electorate NOT THE PARTY PRIMARY is 100 people. General election underlined

    Out of the electorate, the party that Trump is currently in, there are only 30% claim to be R.

    That means if one wins the R primary, he will get 30 people out of 100 in the general election that he can count on. Currently, if you figure what he has now in gen election numbers, he currently has a base of 9 people.

    Trump can only get 30% of the party he is currently in. That means he is 70% down and not convincing anyone from this party to get on board because he is alienating people as fast as he can get on TV. So, EVEN IF he has 100% support in the party, in the general, he still HAS to convince 21 more voters to vote for him against the D and so far he cant bring people who would be more inclined to vote for him into his tent. I am as anti commie as they come, and he hasnt convinced me that he has changed his spots and is not still a Dem hack who is out for himself. I still will probably hold my gag reflex and push the button for him if it comes to that because he is so out of his league I would have to hope that some folks that know what needs doing make the cabinet and that he holds to being a Republican long enough to get them in place. But conservative republican votes wont be enough because at 100% of the party, he gets 30 people.

    Now, in the general it isnt 21 out of 70 (he is losing 70% of the PRIMARY vote, different number entirely) because the D has always had a base of 40. So he needs to get 21 out of 30 of the people who are drive by voters to vote for him. He cant pull #'s from his own party, and you think he can pull folks who only see the clips of him whining and ranting? The superbowl hasnt started yet, these are just the playoffs and he squeals about everyone cheating when he doesnt win. He is a made for TV Hillary commercial.

    So even if everyone who is a R, dips their fingers in acid just before a home colon exam, and votes for him in the primary, he then still HAS to convince 21% of the 30% available voters who are not locked in to the D or the R, to vote for him. If he isnt swaying the 70% OF HIS OWN (currently) PARTY which includes the Dem crossovers in the PRIMARY, how on earth does he talk 21% of the general population into voting for him when they are seeing the same thing we are?

    Hillary needs 11 The Republican needs 21. That is how it is. Trump may need more than 21 because of the way he has gone off during his primary campaign, but we can go with the historic numbers. She is a crook, but she will destroy him in the first debate because he is terrible when he goes head to head, and we all know what he does when he loses. Makes free Democrat commercials.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Snake, you are using percentages from two different things. Lets say the whole electorate NOT THE PARTY PRIMARY is 100 people. General election underlined

    Out of the electorate, the party that Trump is currently in, there are only 30% claim to be R.

    That means if one wins the R primary, he will get 30 people out of 100 in the general election that he can count on. Currently, if you figure what he has now in gen election numbers, he currently has a base of 9 people.

    Trump can only get 30% of the party he is currently in. That means he is 70% down and not convincing anyone from this party to get on board because he is alienating people as fast as he can get on TV. So, EVEN IF he has 100% support in the party, in the general, he still HAS to convince 21 more voters to vote for him against the D and so far he cant bring people who would be more inclined to vote for him into his tent. I am as anti commie as they come, and he hasnt convinced me that he has changed his spots and is not still a Dem hack who is out for himself. I still will probably hold my gag reflex and push the button for him if it comes to that because he is so out of his league I would have to hope that some folks that know what needs doing make the cabinet and that he holds to being a Republican long enough to get them in place. But conservative republican votes wont be enough because at 100% of the party, he gets 30 people.

    Now, in the general it isnt 21 out of 70 (he is losing 70% of the PRIMARY vote, different number entirely) because the D has always had a base of 40. So he needs to get 21 out of 30 of the people who are drive by voters to vote for him. He cant pull #'s from his own party, and you think he can pull folks who only see the clips of him whining and ranting? The superbowl hasnt started yet, these are just the playoffs and he squeals about everyone cheating when he doesnt win. He is a made for TV Hillary commercial.

    So even if everyone who is a R, dips their fingers in acid just before a home colon exam, and votes for him in the primary, he then still HAS to convince 21% of the 30% available voters who are not locked in to the D or the R, to vote for him. If he isnt swaying the 70% OF HIS OWN (currently) PARTY which includes the Dem crossovers in the PRIMARY, how on earth does he talk 21% of the general population into voting for him when they are seeing the same thing we are?

    Hillary needs 11 The Republican needs 21. That is how it is. Trump may need more than 21 because of the way he has gone off during his primary campaign, but we can go with the historic numbers. She is a crook, but she will destroy him in the first debate because he is terrible when he goes head to head, and we all know what he does when he loses. Makes free Democrat commercials.

    I'm not arguing percentages at all. I've already voted in the primary and I am proud to say I voted for my favorite U.S. Senator, Ted Cruz. I know what you're getting at. What I'm saying is that if everybody would get on the band wagon and go for the Republican that at wins the nomination, and vote for him, we would win in November hands down. The left is laughing their asses off at us and throwing gasoline on the fire. They love our division (United We Stand Divided w.... and all that). We're playing right into their hands. And if they close the fingers around us we're doomed, not just as a party, but as a nation as we know and love it.

    And lots of people are saying that Trump can't beat Hillary in the General. But there are some saying he can, so I don't know. But what is fact now may not be fact in November. All I'm arguing here is who you will vote for in the General. Like I said, I myself, and also a large number of voters, have already voted in the Primary. I don't care who you vote for in the primary. I'm saying that come general election time we stick together and vote for the party Nominee.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    I know what you're getting at. What I'm saying is that if everybody would get on the band wagon and go for the Republican that at wins the nomination, and vote for him, we would win in November hands down.

    No we wouldnt, and that is the point. The repubs have NEVER held even a plurality with the Dems in the general much less a majority. 100% of the republican voters means we lose. The nominee still has to pull 21% of the electorate AFTER all the Republicans vote for him. The question is is the current front runner palatable enough to those voters who come into play, AFTER the primary? To do that you need to pull the the working class church going Reagan dems and their wives and kids, the independents and their wives, and others. It is my opinion and has been for a long time that the cart has been hitched to the bull, when we had a few good horses to start the race with.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Why would I get on get bandwagon for a man that was a registered Dem 7 years ago. Why would I get on the band wagon for a man who campaigned for Hilary. Why would I get on the band wagon for a man who said Obama would be a great President. Why would I get on the band wagon for a man who is on record for gun control. Why would I get on the band wagon for a man that uses his wealth and the law to steal from the average citizen. Why would I get on the band wagon for a man that steals land from old widows.

    Would you get on that band wagon if he did not now claim an R? Don't worry. I know the answer.

    How many of you Trumpers where Trumpers when he was considering a run as a D? Don't worry. I know the answer to that as well.

    It truly boggles the mind.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I voted for him twice. That was my thanks.

    You damn right, I did too and I'd do it again. He did what he could to keep us safe and how bout that? It Worked!!!

    You put yourself in G W Bush's shoes on and after 9-11. He had to be embarrassed and he wanted revenge as most of us did and he wanted to protect people because he felt he had let us down. Bush was a real American. I hate to hear people bad mouth him after the fact. I also could barely keep my temper when I heard leftist ass holes bad mouth him and stand back and throw darts for going into Iraq. As I remembered it, a vast majority of Americans wanted to kick some ass there and we did. His only failing in my opinion was he was :deadhorse: with Rummy too long. He finally got Robert Gates on the job and he and General Petraeus shut down the insurgents in Iraq with the brilliant surge operation. We had Iraq where we wanted it. We had freed 50 million human souls from the grasp of a ruthless dictator. We had removed a severe threat in the Mid East, and Obama comes along and gives it back to the bad guys and allowed The "JV Team"to become a worse threat than Usama bin Laden. BTW, if you didn't figure it out yet, I take a very dim view of Bush Bashers.

    If we would have put a Republican in office in 2008 we might have been able to relax some of these unconstitutional programs. It wasn't the first time extreme measures have been put in place in time of conflict. But a lot of you hated McCain so bad you stayed home and let Obummer in office and he screwed EVERYTHING Up. I just don't know what kind of thought process some of you are using.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,462 Senior Member
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    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I'm in love with a Glock
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