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Primaries are not a public decision

Diver43Diver43 Senior MemberPosts: 10,903 Senior Member
https://www.yahoo.com/news/party-primaries-are-not-public-decisions-rules-154558765.html

Something that has been for a long time, but few people really understand just how it works.

One would think that to make it simple: People vote, most votes wins. Nothing can be further from the truth
Closer to reality is: People campaign, the masses vote, millions of dollars are spent and in the end, a few decide who runs for president.

Not long ago people would talk about shadow government and elections were a charade, and I would tell them to put their tin foil had on and sit in the corner. Recently I have begun to wonder if just maybe they were on to something.
Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5

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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    The current system for selecting Republican candidates hasn't changed much in 160 years. You, or anybody else can work to change it, any time you want, but 3/4 of the way through primary season would not really be fair to the 17 candidates who started out as candidates under the current rules. Let's get together, next year, and try to change it, if nobody else does.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Some are held earlier so smaller states can get greater pull in the process.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Each state is its own boss, and is merely affiliated with the national organization. That is actually kind of the way the country was set up, to begin with, so it made sense - probably still does, so the candidates have to come to your state and kiss ass to get your support.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    It allows for momentum, and a way to separate out the wheat from the chaff.

    Joe Smith wins Iowa and New Hampshire. Folks flock to him and begin to rally around him, while Jeb Bush did poorly and is seen as "bad." More publicity means that Joe can continue to campaign and Jeb might drop out. If you had 'em all on the same day, there's not separating out the poorer performers. I mean if a guy can't convince a few people in New Hampshire and Connecticut to vote for him, what are the chances CA or NY will support him?

    Now, the other reason is MONEY. By doing it this way unsuccessful candidates won't spend a bunch of money marketing themselves to the larger markets. Costs less to get publicity in NH than in CA. Also, and probably more likely, it draws out the process and allows the PARTY to collect more money and revenue as the season is stretched out. If a candidate has momentum, folks are more likely to support him, in the process more money goes to the party.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,396 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/party-primaries-are-not-public-decisions-rules-154558765.html

    Something that has been for a long time, but few people really understand just how it works.

    One would think that to make it simple: People vote, most votes wins. Nothing can be further from the truth
    Closer to reality is: People campaign, the masses vote, millions of dollars are spent and in the end, a few decide who runs for president.

    Not long ago people would talk about shadow government and elections were a charade, and I would tell them to put their tin foil had on and sit in the corner. Recently I have begun to wonder if just maybe they were on to something.

    Why is it when it isnt going the way someone wants, that conservatives become against states rights?

    In NASCAR if #8 and #43 both are aware of the restrictor plate rule and #43 gets his butt kicked because of poor performance and failure to pit correctly, it doesnt mean the system is rigged in favor of red cars.

    Primarys are NOT national, they are NOT a constitutional function. Never have been, never should be. Because a person or candidate doesnt understand or simply says he doesnt understand to claim unfairness because he didnt do the work because he knew he would lose in that states (s) and got his butt kicked, does not mean the system doesnt work or is unfair. Seriously, is it fair to the people of FL that 60% of them did NOT vote for the top vote getter but 100% of the delegates go to him?

    This works both ways.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Political parties are just like the PTA (Parent Teacher Association) used to be. If there is heavy participation, the majority of the people get the system set up the way they want it. If there is little to no participation, the busybodies (or opportunists) take over and set it up the way they want it, and the majority can go pound sand, if they don't like the way it turned out.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    I do not think anyone believes it would be right to change things in the middle of the process. In fact it would be plain old wrong.

    Each state is not really "its own boss" bottom line is a select few from each state make the decision, it really does not matter what the majority of the people desire.

    Seeing that it has been since 1980 that it became an issue, a large percentage of the voting public does not understand how the primaries really work.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    All you have to do is get on your state's Republican Party website and find out when the local meetings take place. Then get like minded people to go to the meetings, one precinct at a time, and start a movement to change the rules - democracy - elect the delegates you like and make the rules you like.
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