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Show of hands please gentlemen.



  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,094 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Should keep his nose out and let us get on with our own business.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.

  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I think you would find that in any red state, if it were obvious that the intention of the USA was to continue to ignore the Constitution. Why would any self-sufficient state join any union that needed it only to fund the states that had no intention or will to become self-sufficient? That should be how the UK resolves this question.

    Of course, there is always the matter of whether a union is required for national defense, but such issues can be usually be resolved by treaties, which are usually less expensive than continuous and perpetual draws from a taxpayer's check.

    Texas YES, but Kommiefornia is massively in debt. They NEED the Fed Gov there to back them up or bail them out down the road. No way would they leave.

    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I am ignorant of many aspects of the EU, but my instinct is to believe that large, strong central governments are bad for a free people. Europe has had a history of bloody wars between competing economic powers, but seem to be able to get along better, since the massive destruction of life and property in the last century. But, the countries of Europe also have been trending hard into outright socialism for a long time, and the weaker economies seem to be succumbing to it's inevitable conclusion - bankruptcy. The stronger economies are strong because they have very disciplined cultures and strong traditions that avoid letting deficit spending get completely out of hand. It seems to me that the EU is a way for the non-performing economies to continue their slides into economic oblivion, and drag the properly performing economies with them.

    We are facing similar in the US, and can't seem to get out of it because the 49% of folks that don't pay taxes want to continue their free rides to the bitter end. So, it comes down to the inevitable political battle between the 'haves' and 'have nots' - which is the fruit that socialism always bears. Strong central governments always end up trying to fit every person into a three-tiered system that consists of a huge elitist government, the working tax payers, and the wards of the state. Eventually, the pressures placed on taxpayers to finance the bloated government and ever-increasing welfare state results in a political revolution, in which the working tax payers attempt to escape the burden of supporting the ne're-do-wells in both of the other two groups. If they succeed, bloody revolution is postponed for a while, and the hope is that peaceable solutions will eventually restore economic stability, and that the toothpaste can be put back into the tube.

    VERY well said Bisley.

    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
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