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TugarTugar Senior MemberPosts: 2,221 Senior Member
Been reading the reviews on the new Ruger American. Anyone have one or shot one yet?

I plan on hitting the range on payday and was hoping that the LGS has once since they rent guns. Since it's designed around 9mm NATO which is close to +p levels and the pistol went through 25,000 without a hitch, it's on the short list. Saw that the local LGS has them for $465. Not a horrible price. Have to find a home for the Pt709 so I can afford it.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    One word for it FUGLY. I can't believe ruger put that thing together. To many conflicting shapes and angles. I heard from LGS they aren't selling that good, even highly discounted during Ruger Days. I think they were 379.00.
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,221 Senior Member
    The Glock is just as FUGLY. I want to see how it fits my hand as the last one is I had was the P-90 which is a tank.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    The Glock is 10 times as FUGLY.
    FIFY.
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,221 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    FIFY.

    :that: Appropriate.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Appears to be another Rugged Ruger.........17+1 ammo cap...........lot of newer 9mms ain't very easy on the eyes.

    I own a P-89 that always goes bang, I'm sure this pistol will outlast its owners. If I were in the market for another 9mm, I'd sure give this one a gander.

    http://www.ruger.com/products/rugerAmericanPistol/models.html

    http://www.rkguns.com/ruger-american-pistol-9mm-4-2-inch-barrel-17rd-8605.html?___SID=U
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    Been reading the reviews on the new Ruger American. Anyone have one or shot one yet?

    I plan on hitting the range on payday and was hoping that the LGS has once since they rent guns. Since it's designed around 9mm NATO which is close to +p levels and the pistol went through 25,000 without a hitch, it's on the short list. Saw that the local LGS has them for $465. Not a horrible price. Have to find a home for the Pt709 so I can afford it.

    Nice~!~!
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    I think both Rugers and Glock's are fugley but I think the Glock looks like a High Point that went on a diet! It's skinnier but still Yugly....er FUGLY ER Bugly!....Tain't purdy OK? But from what I hear it works.
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,733 Senior Member
    I handled one and they seem nice. Not nice enough to ditch my M&P, but I think Ruger has a solid offering on their hands.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,727 Senior Member
    Neither of these pistols mentioned will win any beauty contests...neither would a 1911, but you can dress up a 1911, you can't a Ruger or a Glock.

    Of the two choices, I'd go with the Glock every time, which has fired more than 25K rounds, a lot more. There's a reason it's been successful...it works. Maybe the Ruger does as well, and once it gets several million rounds through the design, I might consider it. If I wanted a 2-pound pistol (unloaded) designed to snare a military contract. Which I don't. Both guns are BIG and relatively heavy. And I don't need 17 rounds to get the job done since I'm not a combat guy.

    I don't know why the Military hasn't gone to the Glocks. Well, I do know, because they're made in Austria and in the unlikely event we go to war with Austria, our supply line would be cut. Hard to beat a Glock for reliability. Maybe the Ruger will equal it, if it does, it's quite a pistol.
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  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 1,370 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    Been reading the reviews on the new Ruger American. Anyone have one or shot one yet?

    I plan on hitting the range on payday and was hoping that the LGS has once since they rent guns. Since it's designed around 9mm NATO which is close to +p levels and the pistol went through 25,000 without a hitch, it's on the short list. Saw that the local LGS has them for $465. Not a horrible price. Have to find a home for the Pt709 so I can afford it.

    1) never buy a gun based upon reviews in magazines. For the life of me, I cannot recall a negative review in any of them. When Remington released th defective and dangerous R51, how many said a word?

    2) Ruger rarely designs a good looking gun. Compared to their P series pistols, the American looks svelte and decent.

    3) in that class, Glock pistols have a 20+ year history of performance. If reliability is your key factor, getting an unproven design ....
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    Been reading the reviews on the new Ruger American. Anyone have one or shot one yet?

    I plan on hitting the range on payday and was hoping that the LGS has once since they rent guns. Since it's designed around 9mm NATO which is close to +p levels and the pistol went through 25,000 without a hitch, it's on the short list. Saw that the local LGS has them for $465. Not a horrible price. Have to find a home for the Pt709 so I can afford it.

    Wait, I just noticed something about this thread. I thought the Ruger American was a Rifle? But I presumed we were talking about a pistol here.
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  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 838 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Wait, I just noticed something about this thread. I thought the Ruger American was a Rifle? But I presumed we were talking about a pistol here.

    It's Rugers low end marque of rifles and now pistols, just the latest plastic fantastic in the race to the bottom that a lot of gunmakers seem to want in on.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,156 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Wait, I just noticed something about this thread. I thought the Ruger American was a Rifle? But I presumed we were talking about a pistol here.

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  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    Not nice enough to ditch my M&P, but I think Ruger has a solid offering on their hands.

    Haven't handled one yet, but saw one up close at my LGS. I agree with Pierre that it's too cluttered-looking, too busy for me to consider considering, but with a price point a bit below Glocks & M&Ps, I think Ruger might do well with it.
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  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    1) never buy a gun based upon reviews in magazines.

    Magazine reviews are never the final step for me, but I did order an M&P Shield based just on the AmHandgnr article. Handling it at the LGS was just the clinch.
    2) Ruger rarely designs a good looking gun. Compared to their P series pistols, the American looks svelte and decent.

    Someone once pointed out to me that the best looking, best handling Ruger handguns were all designed before Bill Ruger's arthritis got so bad he couldn't personally handle them. It makes sense; that's about when the P85 made its appearance.

    But before then, all the older Ruger revolvers are very attractive to my eye.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I think Ruger pulled away from the military testing program with it because it got too $$ to meet all the MILSPEC requirements to remain a contender. They will be offered with and without an external safety, which of course the military probably wants????

    If you want a full size 9mm to do a lot of heavy duty shooting, this would be a good pick.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
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    As polymer pistols go, I think this is a pretty darn good looking one - but you know what they say about taste...

    The real issues are: How does it fit your hand, how well does it shoot, and how reliable is it? The grip *looks* well thought out, I'd like to handle one to see how well it fits *my* hand - I've become spoiled by my CZ 75 which fits my hand like it grew there. Maybe this one does too, or maybe not. I can't warm to Glocks - at least double stack Glocks - very competent, good shooters, but feel like a 2x4 in my hand - hence the oft heard nickname "Block". Maybe single stack Glocks - like the 43 - are different, I want to try one of those in my beginning quest for a carry 9. But lots of people are just fine with the Glock grip and more power to them.

    I'm betting that its a good shooter and reliable - its a Ruger after all.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Biggest problem I've read/heard with the Ruger American is how the grip meets up the the rest of the frame. For some folks it's kinda uncomfortable. Unfortunately it's not really noticeable until you shoot the thing.

    If I ever get a plastic fantastic it'll be some kind of XD. They fit my hand well and have all I need. Plus, as of right now, they're a proven design. Ruger? They don't have the best rep for first gen. handguns.
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,927 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    The Glock is just as FUGLY. I want to see how it fits my hand as the last one is I had was the P-90 which is a tank.

    I had a p95dc. It shot well, and was handy as a club if I ran out of ammo.
    Jerry

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Hickok from link above says they come with interchangeable grip inserts.

    SS slide Nitride finish and Polymer frame? Striker fired.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Oh ok, that's cool, now everything new from Ruger is American?

    Ruger, the All American Gun!
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    waipapa13 wrote: »
    It's Rugers low end marque of rifles and now pistols, just the latest plastic fantastic in the race to the bottom that a lot of gunmakers seem to want in on.

    Race to the bottom? Because a gun does not cost what a small car does it's unworthy? A $400.00 gun that goes bang every time and hits near it's POA is a bottom dweller? I guess every shield, glock, M&P lots of sigs and FNs should all be melted down then. I hate gun snobbery.

    What gun is it that comes out of NZ that will go 20,000 rounds w/o cleaning? Oh my bad, none.
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  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    Give him a break; he's one of them from Down Unda, so down is up and up is black, or whatever...
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  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 838 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    What gun is it that comes out of NZ that will go 20,000 rounds w/o cleaning? Oh my bad, none.

    Must have really tweaked your nose out of joint if this pathetic rejoinder was all you could pull out of the hat, I was going to elaborate on what was, I'll admit, a provocative comment, but why bother?
    I'm not an American so my opinion isn't worthy in the estimate of the great and mighty stalwart of gun writing and design that is Bamaak in his campaign for equal opportunity gun loving.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    I wonder if all the good things I've read and seen about the Ruger American were earned by the weapon's design and function, or by Ruger's effort to sell 2 million guns this year and donate $4 million to the NRA. Anyway, if you like this thing, wait for the model with the safety, otherwise this thing is as deeply flawed, and dangerous, as a Glock.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    I wonder if all the good things I've read and seen about the Ruger American were earned by the weapon's design and function, or by Ruger's effort to sell 2 million guns this year and donate $4 million to the NRA. Anyway, if you like this thing, wait for the model with the safety, otherwise this thing is as deeply flawed, and dangerous, as a Glock.

    I think the "Professional" model Hickok said would be sans safety.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Ruger started in the gun game with affordable .22 semi pistols and later single action revolvers that are brick crap-house strong and have since went in all kinds of directions with what they offer. Sometimes folks were ticked at their choices and others not. Really expanded their line over the years.

    Now with new offering in different GP-100s/Redhawks/Sp101s and you name it up to and including ARs they have something for just about everybody and their budgets.

    Finally offering some of those nice to have features like adj triggers and Ruger made aftermarket ones for some models.

    They are the Ford and Chevy of gun makers. Much better than Taurus/Hi-Point and the like and not that much more expensive.

    Edited to add....as compared to Taurus.

    Used to be you got a S&W or Colt for better outta the box accuracy and looks, but not so much any more and Rugers are coming out with versions of their revolvers that are easy on the eyes too.

    They are finally doing some aftermarket or maybe custom like things with some of their lines that appeal to many. I like the high/low cheek swell change out option on my Ruger American .22 bolt rifle and the adj trigger. The 556 AR I'm getting has an optional trigger you can buy made by Ruger. It takes standard AR mags too, unlike my Ranch Rifle which has its own (not interchangeable) and hard to get for a time in 20-30 round ones.

    I think this new 9mm is a good thing. Glad to see another choice in the crowded market. Affordable for most shooters too.

    Sure, there are plenty more $$$ Wondernines out there and it is less or about the same as a Glock BTW.

    Walther and S&W teamed up for about the same didn't they?

    Our forefathers said we have the God given right to Keep and Bear arms, not just for hunting or sporting purposes like some like to say and lie about, but to keep our Govt in check and our country free.........

    Hey a Ruger in every law abiding American citizens home sounds as good as a Chicken In Every Pot to me :guns::guns:
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    waipapa13 wrote: »
    Must have really tweaked your nose out of joint if this pathetic rejoinder was all you could pull out of the hat, I was going to elaborate on what was, I'll admit, a provocative comment, but why bother?
    I'm not an American so my opinion isn't worthy in the estimate of the great and mighty stalwart of gun writing and design that is Bamaak in his campaign for equal opportunity gun loving.

    Hell yea I took offense. You just insulted a great American gun manf. cause they made what the public wants and you can't have. Not to mentioned about half the guns I own, including some, God forbid, made of plastic. It makes no difference that many of the best shooters in the world shooter in the world shoot and win with plastic guns. You just choose to belittle a company, one of my favorite gun makers and one that does a lot for our cause, for no other reson than they made a plastic gun.
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  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 838 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    Hell yea I took offense. You just insulted a great American gun manf. cause they made what the public wants and you can't have. Not to mentioned about half the guns I own, including some, God forbid, made of plastic. It makes no difference that many of the best shooters in the world shooter in the world shoot and win with plastic guns. You just choose to belittle a company, one of my favorite gun makers and one that does a lot for our cause, for no other reson than they made a plastic gun.

    I can't have a Ruger American pistol? That's news to me, are they not being exported? you must know something I don't.
    As for hating plastic, nope, you've read into a two line post and manage to divine my deepest thoughts and intentions, I must be such an easy read for a clairvoyant like yourself.
    I'd hate to see what to what depths my soul could be plumbed to by the pizza place down the road when they take my order if such is the case.
    Plastic fantastic is a rhyming couplet that is used colloquially, not necessary pejoratively, to describe polymer framed pistols, I like Sigs personally.

    As for the best shooters in the world using plastic framed pistols, bully for them, but, real talk here, you could probably give them ANY pistol and they would shoot rings around any of us, it's the "nut behind the butt" beyond a certain point, polymer frame pistols are very capable of fine accuracy, reliability blahblahblatherblather etc.

    Ruger is my favourite contemporary gunmaker, I believe they are innovative and produce high quality weapons for a fair price. If you ever get the chance, check out Bill Ruger's conversion of a Savage 99 in .250-3000 to semi-automatic, which he he put before an ordnance board to show his skill, and tell me the man was not the equal of the Mauser's or JMB.
    My issue is this, what is original or remotely innovative or better about this handgun than its competitors? There is nothing new under the sun and a lot of gunmakers are simple tweaking the wheel, I have no issue with that, but I wonder what Bill would have made of a design that looks to have merely cobbled together the signature elements of competitors pistols and attempted to make it as cheaply as it reasonably can, with no design innovations or improvements that I can make out.
    Affordability of quality firearms for the common man is great, in this respect I don't think we have ever had it so good, but affordable is also the single most positive word used in conjunction with Hi-point pistols as well, they go bang most of the time and any gun is better than none.
    I do feel that there is a trend in gun making that is starting to rear its head of cheapness, however, a cheapness of parts, of design, of execution, of ideas, a devolution of design into the simplest to manufacture and most cost effective to produce at the expense of quality (as exemplified by the numerous recalls as of late by gun makers) and durability (plastic recoil buffers, just barely serviceable plastic rifle stocks etc.), a race to the bottom if you will, this quote by William McKinley sums it up for me,

    "I do not prize the word cheap. It is not a badge of honor ... it is a symbol of despair. Cheap prices make for cheap goods; cheap goods make for cheap men; and cheap men make for a cheap country! -- President William McKinley"

    Notice how I differentiate between cheap, and affordable.
    As for criticising Ruger, well yeah, I like their guns, the LCR was a brilliant example of adaption and innovation, the Ruger American, meh, not so much, they are a big supporter of the 2A, that's great.
    I don't like this particular gun that they make, I'm sure they can weather my dislike, though, with rabid fans like you ready to jump on anyone that dare impune the honour of Lady Ruger over an opinion.

    I'll leave this here, but I'd like to say this,
    I've been a member here 7 or 8 years now, I've disagreed, argued passionately and engaged in heated discussions, but I cannot remember ever having been subject to and rarely have I seen the low level personal insults and outright bitchiness that you are projecting, honestly, man up, I don't agree with you, deal with it like an adult man, not a like petulant child, with snide insults trying to besmirch my nationality. My opinion is just that, an opinion, it carries all the weight of an angel dancing on a pin head.
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