What is your scenario?

bisleybisley Senior MemberPosts: 10,551 Senior Member
I have always contended that the individuals who have decided to commit to the very serious step of carrying a lethal weapon have done so out of fear of some specific scenario that they fear more than all others. Certainly, it is a completely logical decision that a person may simply come to after thorough research. But still, I believe it is a fear of some more specific scenario that probably caused that person to start doing that research.

In my opinion, many civilian folks that have decided to carry a weapon have had some sort of 'come to Jesus' moment, after some particular criminal assault that they could easily see themselves as having been involved in. Once the commitment is made, that one particular moment may fade into the background, and will probably be replaced by a more inclusive training strategy, but it is always in the back of the mind, and always influences the way a person prepares himself. At least, this is the way it was for me, and I consider myself to be fairly representative of the average citizen.

For me, it was the Luby's massacre, at Killeen, TX, in 1991, and the subsequent testimony of Susanna Hupp in Congress. I think it is reasonable to say that her powerful testimony got the attention of many Texans, who had previously found it easy to shake off their initial fears, and do nothing about self defense. I know that it was this way for me. I was about 40 yo, at the time, and still a big, strong guy who foolishly believed he could take care of his family in any circumstance, without ever having a thought about carrying a gun.

This tragedy struck home for me, because I had stopped at this particular Luby's on at least two occasions, while traveling to San Antonio with my parents to visit relatives. Though not exactly elderly, at the time, my parents preferred to travel with me and my family through the high traffic Austin - San Antonio area. Luby's was a good place to eat for old folks and families, and they liked to go there and treat the family, as their part of paying the expenses for the trip.

So, when the story broke and the aftermath videos started to appear on TV, along with eyewitness accounts, it caused a chill to run up my spine that would come back whenever the subject came up, again, for several years. It spurred the CHL movement in Texas, and as soon as Bush was elected to Governor, it was passed into law. It was still several years before I saw the Susanna Hupp video, where she described her unarmed father trying to attack the shooter, and dying without being able to save his family. It was just so obvious that one person with a gun he knew how to shoot, could have stopped the killer, who strolled around the restaurant with two 9mm pistols, emptying them and reloading several times, at his leisure.

I was a brand new grandfather, by the time I finally took the CHL course and started carrying a handgun, and it was a relief, after worrying about it for several years. I kicked myself for hesitating so long, but was determined to be prepared if my growing family ever needed to depend on me.

Please share your 'scenario,' if you have one, or discuss whatever helped you decide to carry a weapon.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,943 Senior Member
    HOLY CRAP!!! There's HUMANS on this planet!!!

    Seriously. That's about it. Read history. Read the papers. They're really twitchy, unpredictable critters, and then there's the stuff out there with actual teeth and claws. I never really needed a specific event to keep me out of "Condition White".
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,723 Senior Member
    Had a couple of people get stabbed in domestic situations within 2 blocks of my house and my office and then had a guy come off the walking trail next to my office and proceed to masturbate on the hill on the edge of my parking lot, I got ZERO feedback from our chief of police or any of the officers at the time before, during, or after the incident even though they were actively searching for these individuals on foot in the neighborhood , figured it was pretty obvious I was on my own until they felt I should be in the loop.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,262 Senior Member
    I bought my first gun ( S&W 10-2 ) during the Miami riots in 1967. My Brother owned a business close to the area where the looting and burning
    was in progress. When I got to the Hialeah gun shop a line went around the building and only a certain number of customers were allowed inside
    at a time.
    We ended up on the roof of my Brothers business along with some folks from the Harley dealer next door, every one was armed and we were able to
    to discourage looters. AR's were not available in those days, sure would have been comforting. Things got a little testy until some Harley customers
    showed up. Been armed every sense
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,551 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    HOLY CRAP!!! There's HUMANS on this planet!!!

    Seriously. That's about it. Read history. Read the papers. They're really twitchy, unpredictable critters, and then there's the stuff out there with actual teeth and claws. I never really needed a specific event to keep me out of "Condition White".

    Things are a bit different for us rural types. Until recently, we knew our neighbors and legitimately had little cause for worry. Now, we have city slickers sprinkled around heavily, not to mention the numerous illegal immigrant villages and the occasional meth lab. It's only in the last 20 years or so that most folks in my area started getting more serious about home defense. So, naturally, we have a calmer approach to the problem, though one should not surmise that we can't get the job done, when necessary.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    In my life I have been threatened and assaulted with a knife twice. I've looked into the muzzle of a handgun once. I've witnessed several physical assaults. All this was as a civilian. I have never served in the military and have never had to endure what real violence is.

    I do not have expectations of any type of fixed scenario. At most I picture maybe waking to a bump in the night or fending off someone being maliciuos. Finding myself in the middle of a mass shooting is a surreal and alien concept byond my routine patterns of thought.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    I got jumped in the early 90's and mugged. As soon as NC started issuing CHPs in '95 I got my rear in gear. I think I was one of the first dozen approved in my county. Aside from a stupid lapse on my part allowing my CHP to expire I have carried when possible.

    I have no notion I can save the day in a bad situation but I do want to be able to at least defend my family and myself as best I can ... I might get lucky and save our butts because the LEOs are stretched to thin and not around when needed most of the time.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Carried since I was of legal age, bought my first handgun as same time. Back then the reason was I handled bankroll, now a days, I carry for the sake of my family. World is not as safe a place as it was years ago. Up here, I have to be concerned with 4 legged critters more than 2 legged one, 'tho they do exist as well.
    Support your local Scouts!
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,551 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    Finding myself in the middle of a mass shooting is a surreal and alien concept byond my routine patterns of thought.

    early,

    That almost exactly describes how I felt, for most of my life. But, when that lady described a situation that I could have found myself in, had the shooter chosen a different day, it became a little bit less of an alien concept to me, and finally tipped the scale for me, towards creating a more energetic defense capability. I'm a very conservative fellow, and I will usually take as much time as I need to make the right decision, but this convinced me that I was way 'behind the curve' on making this decision.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I have always contended that the individuals who have decided to commit to the very serious step of carrying a lethal weapon have done so out of fear of some specific scenario that they fear more than all others. Certainly, it is a completely logical decision that a person may simply come to after thorough research. But still, I believe it is a fear of some more specific scenario that probably caused that person to start doing that research.

    In my opinion, many civilian folks that have decided to carry a weapon have had some sort of 'come to Jesus' moment, after some particular criminal assault that they could easily see themselves as having been involved in. Once the commitment is made, that one particular moment may fade into the background, and will probably be replaced by a more inclusive training strategy, but it is always in the back of the mind, and always influences the way a person prepares himself. At least, this is the way it was for me, and I consider myself to be fairly representative of the average citizen.

    For me, it was the Luby's massacre, at Killeen, TX, in 1991, and the subsequent testimony of Susanna Hupp in Congress. I think it is reasonable to say that her powerful testimony got the attention of many Texans, who had previously found it easy to shake off their initial fears, and do nothing about self defense. I know that it was this way for me. I was about 40 yo, at the time, and still a big, strong guy who foolishly believed he could take care of his family in any circumstance, without ever having a thought about carrying a gun.

    This tragedy struck home for me, because I had stopped at this particular Luby's on at least two occasions, while traveling to San Antonio with my parents to visit relatives. Though not exactly elderly, at the time, my parents preferred to travel with me and my family through the high traffic Austin - San Antonio area. Luby's was a good place to eat for old folks and families, and they liked to go there and treat the family, as their part of paying the expenses for the trip.

    So, when the story broke and the aftermath videos started to appear on TV, along with eyewitness accounts, it caused a chill to run up my spine that would come back whenever the subject came up, again, for several years. It spurred the CHL movement in Texas, and as soon as Bush was elected to Governor, it was passed into law. It was still several years before I saw the Susanna Hupp video, where she described her unarmed father trying to attack the shooter, and dying without being able to save his family. It was just so obvious that one person with a gun he knew how to shoot, could have stopped the killer, who strolled around the restaurant with two 9mm pistols, emptying them and reloading several times, at his leisure.

    I was a brand new grandfather, by the time I finally took the CHL course and started carrying a handgun, and it was a relief, after worrying about it for several years. I kicked myself for hesitating so long, but was determined to be prepared if my growing family ever needed to depend on me.

    Please share your 'scenario,' if you have one, or discuss whatever helped you decide to carry a weapon.

    My scenario is yours, as many Texans is. When that came down it forever changed me. I mean I've always been a gun guy, but had reservations about everybody carrying guns around. But when I heard that woman exclaim before Congress, God, and everybody that she had left her gun in her car because she didn't want to get in trouble and now wished she would have gone ahead and broken the law that day, it got my attention big time. I remember thinking so what? Laws are made for the good of society so what if I break one in the interest of my own and everyone else's safety? I thought about this for years until I finally got my first LTC. I let mine expire thoughtlessly and have just now, 4 years later reapplied and I won't let it slip again.

    But your thread really hit home. And that we both were inspired by the same incident really gets me thinking about it all. Another scenario that gets me thinking is the Fort Hood shooting courtesy of Mr. Hassan. I won't do him the honor of referring to him as an Army officer. He's a Scumbag.

    But what I'm getting at here is that here we are the most powerful military force in the world and our soldiers can't even carry a weapon while on duty. What's wrong with this picture. Another reason I'm voting for Trump. I figure he'll fix that his first month in office. When you go to vote, think Principle before Personality.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    HOLY CRAP!!! There's HUMANS on this planet!!!

    Seriously. That's about it. Read history. Read the papers. They're really twitchy, unpredictable critters, and then there's the stuff out there with actual teeth and claws. I never really needed a specific event to keep me out of "Condition White".


    :that:
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,102 Senior Member
    Me - 1.
    Suspect - 0.
    No rematch.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,551 Senior Member
    Well, I'm starting to feel like the big, dumb rube who has shuffled through most of his life in a blissful trance in which nothing bad can ever happen to nice people, only to finally discover that life sucks and he is the only one who is wholly unprepared for survival in it. :silly:

    Obviously, there is a major difference between big city life and rural life. I have always known this, but I just didn't realize that so many people had figured out the whole self defense thing, so much sooner than I did. Admittedly, I grew up in a time, and an environment where winning a couple of fist-fights made the average 'predator type' give you a wide berth. Mass murder, serial killers, strong-arm robbery, and gang warfare were almost unheard of - something that happened to people a long way off, and rarely, even then.

    Small-town USA, in the '50's and 60's, I reckon - the last of the good old days, maybe.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,659 Senior Member
    Spent my late teens figuring the way I was going, I'd never make it to 30. Then went into EMS in a major city that is perennially in the list of 10 deadliest cities, so I got to spend a lot of time around the dregs of humanity.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,489 Senior Member
    In 1981 I was involved in a drug related shooting, which I posted here and is a matter of public record, I was asked to go into the witness protection program which I refused.
    It's hell when all you have to protect yourself is your bare hands and the bad guys all have guns.
    After that I started carrying either a Ruger .41 or .44 mag.
    When CC became available I got mine, now I carry either a 1911 or a Charter Arms .44 spc.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,528 Senior Member
    Mine was a combination of things. When young i was small. 5'8" and about 115lbs. Big guys picked on me so I struck first and didn't stop when confronted. When I turned 17 I had an ID that said I was 18. Got me into bars without too many 2nd looks. Watched 2 guys fight over a pool game. Bigger guy beat the snot out of a smaller guy and he left the bar. Came back a little later and emptied a revolver into the bug guys head. Fast forward a couple years and I was hitch hiking back to Ft Lewis. Two guys gave me a ride right to my barracks. As I said thanks and got out the driver pointed the biggest handgun I had ever seen. Said give me your wallet,as I did they sped off. Luckily it was payday and the big bills were in my front pocket and only a couple 5s and 1s were in my wallet.
    From then on I always carried a gun, just not legally . Never had a need to use it. Over time have heard of more and more people getting into trouble for carrying without a permit, so the wife and I got ours and I have kept it current since
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,378 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    HOLY CRAP!!! There's HUMANS on this planet!!!

    Seriously. That's about it. Read history. Read the papers. They're really twitchy, unpredictable critters, and then there's the stuff out there with actual teeth and claws. I never really needed a specific event to keep me out of "Condition White".


    This.
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,047 Senior Member
    For me it just seemed like the proper thing to do.

    Also at the time I was living on the edge of the county I live in, so the chances of rapid response were low. Meant that I needed my own protection if I wanted to be "safe." Now I live inside the city limits and have had some activity nearby. Fun to have a chopper overhead searching for no goods up to mischief.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,943 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Well, I'm starting to feel like the big, dumb rube who has shuffled through most of his life in a blissful trance in which nothing bad can ever happen to nice people, only to finally discover that life sucks and he is the only one who is wholly unprepared for survival in it. :silly:

    Obviously, there is a major difference between big city life and rural life. . .

    Some things for you "rural types" to ponder. . .

    1. When the first man got there, the place was full of all the stuff that would eat him. You feel safe from that in what you mistakenly call "the boonies" because there are or were enough humans around to shoot all that stuff out. Man merely chose to swap the ravenous timber wolves for the choice of being surrounded by the thing that wiped the ravenous timber wolves out. While the phrase "Every man a tiger" wasn't coined to describe this scenario, think about it for a second - you're surrounded by tigers. Never mind those minor differences of community such as when those "tigers" in your East Texas were known as Comanches.

    2. "Small town USA" has it's own set of problems - the maladjusted that would be better off in cities, the Kaczynski-types who don't fit in the cities or anywhere else, the dissatisfied youth of Indian reservations or any other group, and that meth cookers and other folks similarly involved are too lazy to go into the true sticks, but Mayberry is off the beaten path enough for what they need to do.

    3. In suburbia, you get the possibility of running into the whack-a-doodles from both the cities and the outlying fields.

    I have faith in my fellow man - to continue to be the mess that has always been man, regardless of location. Low population density just means you only have to keep your eyes on a few of them at a time.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    Mankind has a sinful nature.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,257 Senior Member
    "Too old to fight- - - -too slow to run!"

    My step-grandson was on the scene of a high school shooting that predated Columbine. Nobody ever mentions Richland High School in Giles County Tennessee, where a student and a teacher were killed and another teacher was permanently disabled by a nutcase named Jamey Rouse. The girl who died was my grandson's girl friend. A couple of years later, the high school my kids attended was the scene of a murder- - -one boy killed another over a girl. Remember the muslim nutcase who shot up the Marine reserve center in Chattanooga? He was a newly-hired engineer at the place my son works. He had already created a stink about "discrimination" there.

    All these things happened in backwoods Tennessee and they've hit far too close to home too often!- - - -Anybody who doesn't go armed whenever possible is a damned fool!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    And the left tells us that the U.S. is the worst place because we have so many guns available. They still have Nut cases getting hold of guns and other weapons in other countries too where guns aren't so readily available. If a Nut Job wants to kill a bunch of people they always find a way. The left either can't see that or they believe in their agenda so strongly they really don't care about our safety so they try to disarm us.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Let's see here. Meth heads, belligerent drunks looking for a tow out of a ditch, other drug users, dogs rabid or not that look on me as a chew toy, owners of the dogs who considered me as a chew toy getting bent about the still warm but recently deceased Phideaux, anus chapeaus that think they can steal and not face any consequences during the theft, and the batscat crazy people you are liable to meet when out and about while you're shopping, getting a haircut, or doing whatever needs doing. And other crazy people that just haven't been socialized. That's why I carry, legally.

    I live out in the country, but there's meth dealers, meth cookers, meth users, drunks and wife abusers in my hood, and a half way house for drug abusers a couple miles down the road run by a preacher; the 'inmates' have learned to avoid my place.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,461 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I have always contended that the individuals who have decided to commit to the very serious step of carrying a lethal weapon have done so out of fear of some specific scenario that they fear more than all others. Certainly, it is a completely logical decision that a person may simply come to after thorough research. But still, I believe it is a fear of some more specific scenario that probably caused that person to start doing that research.
    It isnt fear. If it is, you are doing ot for the wrong reason. Its a decision based on what you are willing to do.
    In my opinion, many civilian folks that have decided to carry a weapon have had some sort of 'come to Jesus' moment, after some particular criminal assault that they could easily see themselves as having been involved in.
    Maybe.

    In my case I grew up self sufficient and old for my age. When I had to repel boarders as a kid, cowering in the corner was not a part of the thought process. Scared? Yep. I remember it clearly. Then I locked and cocked a lever gun. Nothing happened of import, the boarders decided to find elsewhere to be. I got my CCW 9 or 10 years after that when I was legal, but I don't think I would not have gotten one had that not happened.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,833 Senior Member
    We lived in an urban cesspool located halfway between Detroit and Chicago for many years....apart from the issues that all urban locations have...it was a hub for the drug trade in that part of the country and along with it came the gangs, drug dealers, prostitution, and all the humanoid -like creatures that go with it....muggings, armed robbery and home invasions were a sport for these people. Being armed was a common sense proposition....We bailed out and moved back to a rural environment the very day I retired...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,895 Senior Member
    I don't have one, do I need one?
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,259 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    I don't have one, do I need one?

    I think if your first CC was a flintlock pistol, you're grandfathered in.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,895 Senior Member
    It was a rock
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,047 Senior Member
    I think Ned carried a sling and 5 smooth stones.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,659 Senior Member
    I think Ned carried a sling and 5 smooth stones & had a famous brother named David

    FIFY li'l brother :rotflmao:
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,663 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    It was a rock

    Chose that after seeing how well it worked for Cain?
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
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