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This disgusts me. It aint hunting!

orchidmanorchidman Posts: 8,438 Senior Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIuf3JISmg&feature=youtu.be

Good to see our local boys posting up how they feel about it on youtube.
Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....

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  • RugerFanRugerFan Posts: 2,872 Senior Member
    Didn't read the comments but that's called "shooting" instead of hunting. NZ needs to enact Alaska type regs about using aircraft to transport hunters.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,443 Senior Member
    I'd love a helicopter ride and a hunt in that country. But, not at the same time.

    That hunter didn't do squat but miss a lot. Everyone else did all the work for him. Shame.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • jaywaptijaywapti Posts: 5,116 Senior Member
    It's called "spray and pray" , now he will go home and tell everyone how hard the stalk was and he made a 1 shot kill.

    Nothing to be proud off here.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,771 Senior Member
    Not hunting by my definition.
    But, I even had a hard time with the eradicating hogs from a helicopter
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    It's called "spray and pray" , now he will go home and tell everyone how hard the stalk was and he made a 1 shot kill.

    Nothing to be proud off here.

    JAY
    Beat me to it on the "spray and pray". I mean goodness, he didn't hike on yard for that animal, an then he couldn't make a clean, 1-shot kill. Embarrassing display of anything but fair chase hunting.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    Just clicked on the web page, and got a message stating that the video had been removed by the user. Guess he was shamed into it.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    What did that cost? Ten thousand to fall out of the copter, blaze away like he was in a war zone, hop back in the copter, and have his catch flown back to base camp. That is not my cup of tea, but clearly someone has found a market for that sort of thing.

    Elmer Fudd has now hunted New Zealand.
  • orchidmanorchidman Posts: 8,438 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    Just clicked on the web page, and got a message stating that the video had been removed by the user. Guess he was shamed into it.

    I think he couldn't stand the comments from real hunters.........

    As far as cost goes, I believe it runs into the thousands.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    I didn't see the video, but from the comments it sounds like a tahr "hunt" in New Zealand. If that's not the case, please enlighten me.

    I've seen a number of hunting shows that depict something similar. The "hunter" is flown around the mounting top until a suitable animal is located, and then set down in some place where the chopper can safely land. From there, the hunter and guide make a stalk to an animal that has already been located. Usually, the stalk isn't a long one. Once the animal has been taken, all are air lifted out.

    This is different than someone shooting from a chopper, though, and does require some work. I'll leave it to others to determine the ethics of this.

    I will add that from the looks of the terrain, walking up from the base to the top and taking a tahr would be an accomplishment worthy of any hunter I know. I would not be up to the physical demands of doing so.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,443 Senior Member
    Just a speculation, but the utilization of the chopper could be replaced by a truck, ATV, or horse and you've just depicted a large portion of hunters in the States.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Just a speculation, but the utilization of the chopper could be replaced by a truck, ATV, or horse and you've just depicted a large portion of hunters in the States.

    Which brings up the bigger question of hunter ethics.

    Take the case of John Plute. He was a miner in the late 1800s in Crested Butte, Co. He walked 12 miles into Dark Canyon, shot a huge bull elk, and packed it out. He did so for the meat, but also packed out the antlers, which he later traded to a local bar owner to pay off a bar tab. Perhaps you heard of the Plute bull, as it was the world record from 1961 until the late 1990s, and is still (I think) the second ranked typical bull elk of all time. I've seen the mount, and believe me when I tell you it makes the one in my avatar look like a pup.

    Compare Plute to Denny Austad. Austad killed the so called "Spider Bull" in 2008. It is the B&C world's record non-typical bull elk by a margin of over 19 inches (http://www.boone-crockett.org/news/featured_story.asp?area=news&ID=36 for details).

    He paid something on the order of $50,000 for the special Utah's "Governor tag", which allowed him to hunt any and all seasons, anywhere he wanted. By the account I read, he had 19 guides looking for this specific bull. After 13 days (I think), after he had left camp and was on his private jet flying home to Montana he got word that the bull had been located. He was then guided to it and killed it.

    Did he hunt hard? I think so. Did the way he killed it compare to what John Plute endured? Not even close.

    I don't think anyone would argue that what John Plute accomplished violated any standards of hunter ethics. For Austad, no doubt some have taken the position that his kill was unethical.

    There's a lot of other examples, such as hunting inside a high fence enclosure. Heck, there may even be some who consider hiring a guide and/or outfitter is unethical.

    Everyone has different standards when it comes to ethics. We all have to decide for ourselves what we will and won't do, and where to draw the line.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Posts: 14,108 Senior Member
    I've talked with folks who feel game cams are a crutch and a hunter who uses them is a slob and unethical. Why? Because they're using an electronic device to do their scouting.
    Meh.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    I've talked with folks who feel game cams are a crutch and a hunter who uses them is a slob and unethical. Why? Because they're using an electronic device to do their scouting.

    There are probably those who consider the use of a range finder or gps unethical. For me, being able to accurately determine distance provides a much better chance of a clean kill than not. Also, I'd rather use a gps to find my way back to my truck or camp than get lost and have to get a rescue team out looking for me.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • orchidmanorchidman Posts: 8,438 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    I didn't see the video, but from the comments it sounds like a tahr "hunt" in New Zealand. If that's not the case, please enlighten me.

    I've seen a number of hunting shows that depict something similar. The "hunter" is flown around the mounting top until a suitable animal is located, and then set down in some place where the chopper can safely land. From there, the hunter and guide make a stalk to an animal that has already been located. Usually, the stalk isn't a long one. Once the animal has been taken, all are air lifted out.

    This is different than someone shooting from a chopper, though, and does require some work. I'll leave it to others to determine the ethics of this.

    I will add that from the looks of the terrain, walking up from the base to the top and taking a tahr would be an accomplishment worthy of any hunter I know. I would not be up to the physical demands of doing so.

    Video shows a helicopter flying over some high country in the South Island. Helicopter lands, guide bails out the front door carrying a rifle, hunter 'falls' out the back door, guide grabs him by the shoulder and hands him the rifle then points out the animal (Chamois) about 100yds away. Hunter fires multiple shots...........they climb back into the machine, fly over near the animal, drop the guide who straps it under the machine and then they head home.

    Chamois are not stupid animals and because the animal didn't run ( which most animals will do if a helicopter flies close).......it tends to suggest that it may have been chased to the point of exhaustion before being shot.

    The video title used the word Hunting in it.

    Might be able to find a copy of it somewhere................Normally someone on a local hunting forum will save a copy once it is posted on social media if there is a chance that the OP is going to be shamed into taking it down so that 'the truth lives on'............lol.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Posts: 1,644 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    There are probably those who consider the use of a range finder or gps unethical. For me, being able to accurately determine distance provides a much better chance of a clean kill than not. Also, I'd rather use a gps to find my way back to my truck or camp than get lost and have to get a rescue team out looking for me.

    Alternatively, I don't want to be a bow hunter over the ethics of using something less likely to result in a clean kill. IMHO- a 30-30 is the more ethical choice.

    As long as it is legal, I try not to throw stones because every state/country bases its game laws on factors that I might not understand.
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