What's wrong with this picture?

knitepoetknitepoet Senior MemberPosts: 18,670 Senior Member
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2016/08/03/tactical-pizazz-is-a-necessity/

Watch the video, It gives a great lesson in what NOT to do, in my opinion.

I counted 11 times he (the trainer) shoots to slide-lock (10x handgun, 1x rifle) and decides to look around and clear his area with an empty firearm in his hands.

To my way of thinking, getting his weapon back in usable condition should be priority 1. Otherwise, if he happens to actually SEE a threat during his scan, what is he going to do, THROW the gun at them?

He's at slide/bolt lock, so shooting isn't an option.

Am I wrong in my thinking that getting the gun back to a functioning state first should be the top priority?
Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    You obviously don't understand the deadliness of "Cool Factor". It increases the terminal performance of your bullet and he doesn't need anymore.

    What you perceive as scanning for additional threats is in reality...........checking to see if anyone saw how badass he just was.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,670 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Am I wrong in my thinking that getting the gun back to a functioning state first should be the top priority?
    This part of the OP is actually a serious question
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    Saw that the other day. You have a point about slide lock, but I'm not sure that's really important to that dude. Some other stuff I've noticed.

    Finger on the triggerguard's gone the way of the dodo bird for most folks.
    Notice you never see his targets? The target did have one in a very peripheral zone, but other than up close and personal, we never saw how well his unaimed fire shots hit. I understand groups don't matter in a gunfight, but solid hits do.
    The scan. Yeah, lots used to do it. I know I did. But if you're needing a firearm, what good does the 180 scan do if you IF YOU DON'T SWING THE FIREARM WITH YOU? You can see the threat, but then you're back reacting, possibly twisting/turning your body and definitely swinging a firearm, which may throw a shot wide. And, are you really looking? In the drills you never see a danger, so is it an actual scan or just a head turn?
    What's up with rolling the handgun to the side when in retention? Why not just bring it back?
    Reloads: if you have to look - bring it up to head level, bro. Even the Dalai Lama knows that
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    Lots of double and single taps. Nothing more. Sometimes one or two shots don't take down the target. But he's training to do it. And it seems as though he's already scanning before the shot string is done, as if those bullets are definitively stopping his threat. Again I defer to the Dalai Lama.
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    Good articles on the scan:
    https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2011/6/1/scanning/
    https://thearmsguide.com/8864/8864/
    Overkill is underrated.
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Well, peel my tangerines. :yikes:

    It was all so different in my day.

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    Take cover and return fire, was the norm.

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,727 Senior Member
    Not to mention how many times the "operator" swept the cameraman with his muzzle with Live Ammo in the pipe! Yikes!
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,545 Senior Member
    Let's not overlook the flicking of the pistol every time he dumped a mag as if some nonexistent level of centrifugal force would hasten the magazine's departure from the well. That action alone screams "bozo" to me and turns my mind off to anything that he might say or do.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    Looked it up.

    They are in Poland, so...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,115 Senior Member
    An excellent - and hilarious - illustration:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    .............They are in Poland, so...

    ....Ex-soviet bloc?

    ....Eastern european?

    ....European?

    ....Polonophobic?

    All of the above?

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,465 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »

    He's at slide/bolt lock, so shooting isn't an option.

    Am I wrong in my thinking that getting the gun back to a functioning state first should be the top priority?
    You are most certainly not wrong in that thinking. That's definitely my SOP.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,837 Senior Member
    What's next? Pistol spinning ?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    I knew I'd seen some of that high speed tactical stuff being taught here in the good ol' US of A! From a thread I posted a while back:
    Overkill is underrated.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    I feel dumber now, Bream. If it's even possible..........I feel it.

    Thanks.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    I want a mustache like Monty (1:15 or so in the video.)
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,837 Senior Member
    I think Zee needs to do an instructional video involving Turkish Oil Wrestling....we need to know more....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I think Zee needs to do an instructional video involving Turkish Oil Wrestling....we need to know more....


    It takes two to wrastle. You volunteering?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,837 Senior Member
    Nope, I was thinking cpj might be the ultimate co-star....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Bream, I pictured you more polished like this guy (except you'd keep the booger picker off the trigger) ... not the 'stache type.

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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Nope, I was thinking cpj might be the ultimate co-star....
    I already found an image of that....

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    Overkill is underrated.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    Bream, I pictured you more polished like this guy (except you'd keep the booger picker off the trigger) ... not the 'stache type.

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    Well, I do have a beard. Just want a nice impressive stache. Mine's so-so. And I avoid suits whenever possible, and even then rarely wear a tie. But I do carry a 1911.

    And that photo... just awesome. Goes along with what I told someone:
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    Overkill is underrated.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,670 Senior Member
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    STOLEN :tooth:
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    That dumb my brain did watching. And stuff.
    “A gun is a tool, no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.”

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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Say when.

    When!!!!
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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,115 Senior Member
    You guys crack me up. I needed the laugh tonite...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Good job. Not only did you find a two dudes wrasselin, but you found two guys wrasselin in rubber pants. :up:

    Google "Turkish Oil Wrestling" and that's what ya get.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,354 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Google "Turkish Oil Wrestling" and that's not all ya get.

    FIFY
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Cheetoh734Cheetoh734 Senior Member Posts: 714 Senior Member
    I think that's the sport where they frequently go below the belt and inside the waistband looking for things to grip...someone leaves with a smelly forearm one way or the other...
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