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BuffcoBuffco Senior MemberPosts: 6,244 Senior Member
My nephews are old enough and their mom (my sister) approached me to help her decide what to get them. Mom doesn't want semi autos for them. Found that out when I first recommended the Marlin 60. It's what I grew up on, it's in budget, shoots great.

But her and my bro-in-law (not gun people) are nervous about a semi auto for the boys. So, they've asked about BA.

Of course, it's easy to spend someone else's money, so my mind immediately starts running toward CZs, but I have to keep in mind they have to buy two of them. So other than the rifles mentioned above, what do you guys recommend? The only one I really know about is the Crickett. I'm worried they'll be too small. Boys are 11 and 9.

Any suggestions are appreciated.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Ruger American. Great iron sights with HI-Viz front and comes in a carbine length. Plus adj trigger and stock comb inserts for scope or not.

    What $250-275 range and uses 10/22 mags.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRimfire/overview.html

    Watch the video at the bottom. Lot of gun fer the $$$
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    I'd be tempted to go CZ in say a 455 American with polymer stock ($350ish) but no iron sights is a miss. So like Chief pointed out Ruger's American has good irons (or maybe even a Savage Mk II with decent irons). Irons first and maybe down the road Uncle Buffy can help them scope them.

    ETA: now if you can find 2 of the old CZ 452 Scouts (irons, 16 1/2" barrel, youth LOP, etc) I'd go that route
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  • sherwoodsherwood Senior Member Posts: 1,220 Senior Member
    Would never touch another Ruger if you paid for it. I'd go for a CZ. Just look at CZ-USA and pick one out.
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,450 Senior Member
    Ruger American youth. They can be fit with an adult stock later too. However I love my CZ 452!
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    Never handled a Ruger American but I love my 7722.

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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    Elk creek wrote: »
    Ruger American youth. They can be fit with an adult stock later too. However I love my CZ 452!

    Love my CZ as well. But they aren't going to drop $5-600 on rifles. I have had to "shop" for them before, mostly for my bro-in-law, and price is the only consideration usually. Eh. They're not gun people, like I said. But I do want the boys to have something that's decent, fairly accurate, and will last.
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,450 Senior Member
    Ok find a neglected pawn shop captive and give it a new life.
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Skip the Cricket.
    Go straight to the Ruger American. Eventually they can replace the Tupperware stock.

    Yes.
    The Cricket I have is hard for little hands to cock and has a heavy trigger. Also they outgrow the small size very quickly.
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  • Hondo341Hondo341 Member Posts: 448 Member
    I agree with Early. The Cricket has a heavy trigger. If they can't shoot well with it they become discouraged. If a new gun is the route you want to go I would go hit the Wal-marts and see what is on sale. But, if used is OK I would definitely try checking out the pawn shops, etc. The Marlin XT22tr is a tube fed BA .22. Bud's has them for $188.
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,625 Senior Member
    Henry Mini-Bolt, yeah my kids out grew it, but they still like to shoot it.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    Love my CZ as well. But they aren't going to drop $5-600 on rifles. I have had to "shop" for them before, mostly for my bro-in-law, and price is the only consideration usually. Eh. They're not gun people, like I said. But I do want the boys to have something that's decent, fairly accurate, and will last.
    Savage makes a beautiful bolt action .22 LR. Dark Angel bougth one. She liked it but I can't remember why she traded it on a lever. I think you can get a couple of them for $250-$300.
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  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 838 Senior Member
    Hondo341 wrote: »
    The Marlin XT22tr is a tube fed BA .22. Bud's has them for $188.
    :agree:

    I didn't know Marlin still made the XT22 in a tube fed model, but seeng as Bud's has them for a great price it's a brilliant little rifle and easily the equal of a Savage or Ruger American, I'd recommend it.

    CZ's are neat, and will last a few lifetimes, but I hear you on cost, I'd wanted one since I was a little kid and it took until my birthday last year to realise the dream with a 455 Lux, I just could never justify the expense to myself.
    But had I gotten a CZ as a boy I'd likely own only one .22.
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    The Ruger American Youth would be my first choice. Second place is Savage MKII. Third choice is Marlin, it is in third because it has the least aftermarket support should these boys become gun guys and want to change stuff on the rifle.

    That or hit the pawn shops and try to find a couple rifles that are cheap and close to the same.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    You opened the door to hundreds of options. There are so many great used .22's out there that you need to ask what you want for them, usefulness, collect-ability, or a beater.

    There are some fine simple bolt actions for dirt cheap.

    Single shot - Remington 67 or H&R 365 Reg'lar - lots of people think a boys first .22 should be a single shot and I agree with this.

    Multi shot manual - lever, pump or bolt? I like the 10 shot H&R 265 bolt

    The fun is of course in the hunt...

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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,258 Senior Member
    Depends a little on how youth-sized they are, and how long they're likely to remain so. Two mindsets you can take on that; (a.) they're only gonna need it for a couple years and then they'll need a bigger .22, so go cheap and make the real investment later; or (b.) the gun might get handed down to an ongoing series of younger siblings, cousins, grandkids, etc..., and kids will burn every round available when given the chance, so get something durable and worth passing down.

    I wouldn't start anybody with a semi auto. You want to teach them to shoot, not to spray.

    The CZ's can be fitted with single shot adapters so they can learn the disciplined 1-shot first and upgrade later. It'd be worth researching who else offers that.

    If you don't need a midget rifle, I too lean to the used market. With the exception of the CZ, there's really nothing in the sub-$500 ballpark that's built like a real rifle. There's a lot of corner cutting because "it's just a .22". Hell, look at where centerfire hunting rifles are headed these days; there's a lot of corner cutting because "our customers are cheapass bastards". I'm inclined to look for clean Winchesters and Remingtons of the 1930's to 1950's era, (as they've already proven they can go for multiple generations), and extend the middle finger to an industry that seems to have lost touch with the lesson Conan the Barbarian learned about swords from his dad - "THIS you can trust".
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I have a tube feed Marlin bolt action that cost about $180, a few years ago. Good, accurate rifle.
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Another chime in for the Marlin XT-22 (we have the magazine version, not the tube feed). It's the one the kiddo won at last year's shoot, and is a tack driver.
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,690 Senior Member
    If money is an important factor, I think you can't go wrong with the Ruger American Rimfire.

    As a matter of shooting discipline for youths, MY impression is that a bolt-action rifle with iron sights is the way to go; also if there are "non-gun" people involved (Usually distrustful of "tactical-looking" semiautos), something like this model # 8328 could be a good choice:



    Equipped with peep sights, 10/22 magazine compatible, 2-position adjustable synthetic stock, adjustable trigger and scope rails.
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Peep sight model.

    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/719007574/redirect


    That's cool and the gang. I bet one could get the sights from Williams.

    ****. I wanted a RAR already, but I had plans. SOB. Now I may have to aquire TWO.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    The RAR uses the reliable 10/22 Rotary magazines that work flawlessly some others I read have issues with their mags.

    You can buy two or close for the price of one CZ, I think. These are kids...........the rifles will get used and possibly abused a little no matter what and giving a kid heirloom quality as a first rifle, well depends.
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,690 Senior Member
    Seems like I spend more time drooling over firearms web catalogs than you do guys; like porn, might be the almost impossibility (Unless sizable amount of cash is invested) to actually get what you see and desire :drool2:

    There's a Savage in that same configuration too, but no adjustable stock:



    http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIFVT

    Both remind me of my Mossberg 44US, but apparently in a much more "kid friendly" configuration, specially the Ruger.

    R.A.Rs are about to arrive here in both wood and plastic stocks; dunno about price but I hope it's quite below a CZ (Starting at $ 500 over here) or they won't be selling a lot of them, since local shooters are huge fans of the Czech rifle. Won't be buying one, but surely would like to at least test-fire them.
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,742 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Peep sight model.

    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/719007574/redirect


    That's cool and the gang. I bet one could get the sights from Williams.


    The RAR just shot waaaaaay up on my short list.


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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Buffy-- I am going to also recommend the Ruger American Rimfire. I don't own one, but from what I have seen and what you get for the price, they are a great value and don't give up anything as a shootable rifle.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    SS3 you are welcome to shoot mine all you like. I have a variety of .22 ammo to try. I have had really good results with mine. It is a longer bbl version and I have a scope on it, but you can, at least, get a feel for it. Its accuracy and the adjustable trigger I set down to 3lbs I think it was.

    50 yards it is more than capable of 1/2" groups maybe better with a shooter with good eyes and discipline like you.

    There are better and much more $$$ out there, but for me it fills my bolt .22 requirement just fine.
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  • 41magnut41magnut Senior Member Posts: 1,205 Senior Member
    Would take some searching but Remington Model 5 / Zastava /Charles Daily is outstanding BA .22LR


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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,740 Senior Member
    The first .22 I got for Christmas when I was a kid 13 years old was a cheap one. Hardwood stock, pull-cock, and was what my mom could afford, so it's what I got. Regular sights, and I suppose it was accurate enough.

    But I got rid of it, somehow, I don't remember where it went. Point is, I was never proud of it. Were I getting kids a .22 rifle, I'd get them a rifle for life...one that stores up memories throughout the years. And gives them back.

    I don't know what's out there now or how big your nephews are (stock fit, etc.). But if you can find a good BA rifle that you can restock throughout the years as they get taller they're in for a life-long experience. I wouldn't get peep sights, let them learn on traditional irons. You can see squirrels and such in the trees better with open sights.

    I was opposed to removable magazine fed rifles as a kid because I was pretty sure I'd lose the magazine. I never owned one until about 15 years ago; all mine were tubular magazines which hold a lot of rounds. Likewise, I never owned a semi-auto until I was grown. My brother had one I hunted with, but never owned one. Bolt, lever, pump.

    A good single-shot is not out of the picture, were it me. Finding one might be problematical.
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  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,421 Senior Member
    CZ makes wonderful .22 rifles. Savage makes a terrific bolt action that I started my Grandsons out. Iron sights and they consistantly hit 3" square targets at 100 yards. Like 8/10 times with run of the mill .22lr ammo.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    You guys are all certainly talking my language.

    Unfortunately, they ain't for my boys. I wouldn't even have to ask. They aren't really wanting to spend over $200 each. But they are opposed to the idea of a semi auto. No budging on that.

    Doesn't make sense to you and me, but it is what it is. I've recommended either:

    1) A shared rifle, preferably CZ, that they both use. This way they can spend the money on a nice accurate rifle than something cheap
    2) Two Marlin Model 60s
    3) Two RAR.

    Thanks for all the suggestions.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    No semi autos remember?

    And no going over $200 each. Kind of limits my options.
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