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First Deer with a .357 Mag Revolver!!!
Last year, I shot a big boar with my TC Contender and 10" .357 Mag barrel using 180gr XTP. Since then, I've tried on a few occasions to take something with my 6" GP-100 and 158gr XTP handloads to no avail. Well, I had a cull planned with my Rancher Friend this afternoon. Before I headed out his way, I asked if he minded me using my .357 Mag to take a doe. He said, "I don't care if you use a knife!" To which I replied that I'd already done that.
So, this afternoon we headed out to the typical spot on the knoll and corned the road as we usually do. This time, he threw some corn much closer as well. The road is about 60 yards away and about my max I was willing to shoot with the red dot and 6" Mag. The nearest shot would be about 25 yards.
We settled in to wait in the fine mist and cool temps.
The first two to show up were this button buck and 8 pointer.
After a little while, several smaller yearlings and bucks filtered out of the brush.
Then, an older doe came out and eventually worked her way to about 30 yards. I aimed in on her but held my fire as she was quartering towards me and I didn't want to hit her in the shoulder. When she finally turned broadside, she started walking and I held fire again. Eventually a smaller buck chased her off to my right and out of sight/range. No worries, there would be more.
More bucks showed up.
Including this beast!
Who was quite interested in just about every doe on the planet!
More deer filtered in and I saw several coming from my hard right, across the pasture form another hill. There path took them below and to the right of my knoll and out of sight. But, I knew they were coming as the smaller deer in front kept looking their way. Finally, just below the grass/ridge line and from my right, a big doe walks into view. I discreetly point at her and my friend gives me the go ahead.
I aim in at her as she clears the grass but, as she does so.........she spots me as well and freezes. Eyes and ears locked on our position she is quartering towards me again and frozen at 27 yards. Hoping for a broadside wasn't going to happen. I figured she would bolt at any moment, so I put the dot on the point of her shoulder and sent the 158gr Hornady XTP crashing into her.
At the shot, she hunched up and lurched forward. Deer scattered and she ran to my left. As she ran, I noticed her front left leg hanging limp at the shoulder (point of impact). She runs in a arch as I aim in on her again. I contemplate shooting again as I begin to wonder about my shot. But, her leg isn't working...........she's staggering..........surely the bullet penetrated her shoulder!!! Fear of shallow penetration with the shot enter my mind, but I brush it away. I'm confident in my shot.
This all happens in a matter of seconds as she completes her semi-circle and enters the brush with another doe behind her. I lose sight of my deer in the brush, but the doe behind her stops abruptly just inside the brush. Staring in front of her for a few seconds, she finally bolts to her left and disappears. I reason that my doe fell just inside the brush and in front of the other doe. Causing her to stop and stare.
With everything gone, I stand up and walk across the draw to where I saw my deer enter the brush. A few steps in and I see blood on the trail. Then, about 7 yards into the brush, I see her tail on the ground. A few more steps and her body comes into view.
Here is her location at the shot. Then, her path as she ran. Falling at the "star".
She ran approximately 90 yards after the shot.
I left her where she lay and walked back up on the knoll. I had my CVA Scout Pistol in .243 Winchester with me and we were going to try and shoot another doe. So, we waited.
After about 45 minutes, deer began to filter back into the draw and feed. This time, the axis came out as well. Probably about 20 axis in all.
Between the deer and the axis, the valley filled up pretty quickly. But, no solo mature does came out. So, nothing to shoot. Eventually, a few axis worked their way to about 15 yards and finally pegged us. A loud "BARK" later and the valley emptied once again.
The hunt was officially over.
I walked over and recovered my deer where she lay.
The bullet had entered the point of her left shoulder, bisected the chest cavity, and lodged under the skin in a lump on the off side.
We drug her out of the brush and loaded her on the Mule. My first animal with a .357 Mag revolver. I was a happy camper!!!
I'm going to bed. I'll post the science tomorrow.
So, this afternoon we headed out to the typical spot on the knoll and corned the road as we usually do. This time, he threw some corn much closer as well. The road is about 60 yards away and about my max I was willing to shoot with the red dot and 6" Mag. The nearest shot would be about 25 yards.
We settled in to wait in the fine mist and cool temps.
The first two to show up were this button buck and 8 pointer.
After a little while, several smaller yearlings and bucks filtered out of the brush.
Then, an older doe came out and eventually worked her way to about 30 yards. I aimed in on her but held my fire as she was quartering towards me and I didn't want to hit her in the shoulder. When she finally turned broadside, she started walking and I held fire again. Eventually a smaller buck chased her off to my right and out of sight/range. No worries, there would be more.
More bucks showed up.
Including this beast!
Who was quite interested in just about every doe on the planet!
More deer filtered in and I saw several coming from my hard right, across the pasture form another hill. There path took them below and to the right of my knoll and out of sight. But, I knew they were coming as the smaller deer in front kept looking their way. Finally, just below the grass/ridge line and from my right, a big doe walks into view. I discreetly point at her and my friend gives me the go ahead.
I aim in at her as she clears the grass but, as she does so.........she spots me as well and freezes. Eyes and ears locked on our position she is quartering towards me again and frozen at 27 yards. Hoping for a broadside wasn't going to happen. I figured she would bolt at any moment, so I put the dot on the point of her shoulder and sent the 158gr Hornady XTP crashing into her.
At the shot, she hunched up and lurched forward. Deer scattered and she ran to my left. As she ran, I noticed her front left leg hanging limp at the shoulder (point of impact). She runs in a arch as I aim in on her again. I contemplate shooting again as I begin to wonder about my shot. But, her leg isn't working...........she's staggering..........surely the bullet penetrated her shoulder!!! Fear of shallow penetration with the shot enter my mind, but I brush it away. I'm confident in my shot.
This all happens in a matter of seconds as she completes her semi-circle and enters the brush with another doe behind her. I lose sight of my deer in the brush, but the doe behind her stops abruptly just inside the brush. Staring in front of her for a few seconds, she finally bolts to her left and disappears. I reason that my doe fell just inside the brush and in front of the other doe. Causing her to stop and stare.
With everything gone, I stand up and walk across the draw to where I saw my deer enter the brush. A few steps in and I see blood on the trail. Then, about 7 yards into the brush, I see her tail on the ground. A few more steps and her body comes into view.
Here is her location at the shot. Then, her path as she ran. Falling at the "star".
She ran approximately 90 yards after the shot.
I left her where she lay and walked back up on the knoll. I had my CVA Scout Pistol in .243 Winchester with me and we were going to try and shoot another doe. So, we waited.
After about 45 minutes, deer began to filter back into the draw and feed. This time, the axis came out as well. Probably about 20 axis in all.
Between the deer and the axis, the valley filled up pretty quickly. But, no solo mature does came out. So, nothing to shoot. Eventually, a few axis worked their way to about 15 yards and finally pegged us. A loud "BARK" later and the valley emptied once again.
The hunt was officially over.
I walked over and recovered my deer where she lay.
The bullet had entered the point of her left shoulder, bisected the chest cavity, and lodged under the skin in a lump on the off side.
We drug her out of the brush and loaded her on the Mule. My first animal with a .357 Mag revolver. I was a happy camper!!!
I'm going to bed. I'll post the science tomorrow.
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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After breaking the on side shoulder bone as well!!!
Dad 5-31-13
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
"The Un-Tactical"
"The Un-Tactical"
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of penetration from a so called low velocity big chunk of lead. I guess Keith got it right.
JAY
I'm going to use my 180gr WFN-PB bullets next time. Just to compare.
I'm thinking the diameter/weight formula works, and it ain't real fussy about speed.:up::up:
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
I have the 180gr XTP loaded in my .35 Remington at just shy of 2,000 fps from my Contender Pistol. Hope to use that this year as well.
.357 Mag is the trend. All the cool kids are hunting with it. :guns:
.358 is one of my favorite calibers. It ain't fast and flashy like the .338 and it'S not a long range endeavor. But, it's just stupid cool to me and has always been a personal favorite.
Hence my affliction on .35 cartridges.
.35 Whelen
.358 Win (x2)
.35 Remington (x2)
.357 Mag (x5)
It worked well. I think I'm going to take it off now and replace it with my much smaller Vortex Venom. Just for size.
He is a very kind and generous man. I'm honored to call him a friend.
Glad you agree, Mr. Aesthetics.
The optic looks like a C-more?
D
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
Gun: Ruger GP-100 (6" barrel)
Ammo: 158gr Hornady XTP (Handload)
Muzzle Velocity: 1,282 fps
Distance of Shot: 27 yards
Angle: Quartering TowardsP
POI: Point of On-Side Shoulder / Broke Shoulder Scapula
Impact Velocity: 1,225 fps (est.)
Distance Traveled: Approximately 90 yards (Paced Off)
Entrance:
Under Hide:
Under Shoulder:
Through Shoulder:
The bullet shattered the scapula about 1/3 of the way up from the joint and through the thickest point of the bone.
Through the Ribs:
The bullet cracked a rib on entrance.
Entrance to left lung and thoracic cavity:
There was substantial internal bleeding and coagulated blood in the chest cavity. Little internal bleeding until she reached the brush as the entrance was so high due to my downward angle and the lack of an exit wound. Once she reached the brush, there was a fair amount of blood on the ground until she fell.
Entrance to front of Left Lung:
The bullet entered the left lung and passed through the aortic arch and trachea. passing between the two rear lobes of the lungs and catching the rear most portion of the right lung.
Exit Through Ribs:
The bullet passed through the edge of the diaphragm but missed the liver and stomach. Breaking 1 rib on exit, the bullet lodged under the skin on the off side.
Bullet retained 145 grains of it's original 158 grain weight.
The bullet still expanded, even after initial contact with heavy bone. I do believe it was lessened though, because of this contact.
Weight retention was exceptional considering what it struck and penetration was better than I anticipated. I had held off shooting that first doe at 30 yards because she was quartering towards me. Hoping for a broadside shot and missed my chance because of my concern for penetration. When offered the same angle on this doe and fearing the loss of another opportunity, I took the shot anyway. In retrospect, after seeing the results........I had no cause for concern on the first doe.
I am pretty impressed with the results. That the bullet held together, expanded considering the bone, and penetrated well. There was not much evidence of hydrostatic shock and temporary cavity trauma. But, that is to be expected and consistent with what I have been seeing with lower velocity handgun cartridges. They poke through tissue, destroying what the contact, with little secondary damage to surrounding tissue.
You cannot rely on hydrostatic shock to help you out with handgun cartridges at handgun velocities unless you are point blank. Your shots need to be well placed to get the desired result. Shoddy marksmanship, while the same for high velocity cartridges, is even more critical in handgun velocities.
These are my findings.
Yes, it is a C-More Sight System on a Weigand Base.
Stand in model.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1974632881/weigand-1-piece-weaver-style-scope-base-ruger-gp100-6-barrel-not-factory-drilled-and-tapped
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee