Knife question for LEO types

CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior MemberPosts: 11,222 Senior Member
I have a good friend that is an LEO and he is going to have one of those Bdays that ends in zero soon and I would like to get him a folding knife up to $150, any advice on brand, length of blade, style of blade, finish on blade, or thumb/assisted/automatic blade deployment. I am partial to Benchmade, Kershaw, CRKT, SOG, Ontario Knife, and Zero Tolerance and stainless finishes, I will probably get his name laser engraved on it.
I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,952 Senior Member
    You cannot go wrong with Benchmade, Zero Tolerance, or Spyderco. FWIW, this will be my next EDC

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B018UQKI5C?vs=1

    I own a Benchmade "Mini Barrage" and an "Arcane", that are both "assisted opening" models, but only the Mini Barrage is in your price range. Both are FANTASTIC knives though.

    I don't know of any really high quality full auto opening models in that price range.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    Thanks, every Spyderco I have handled I have liked and they are definitely easy open, but as an LEO, he has his hands full frequently and something a bit more positively opening I would rather get him.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,808 Senior Member
    My personal fav is a BenchMade z
    Axis Lock, designed by McHenry & Williams. I think it was called a "910 Axis Lock".

    I don't know if it's still available, but if it is, it's worth checking out.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,808 Senior Member
    I don't know where "z" came from. I didn't type it, and I can't delete it.
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • minnesotashooterminnesotashooter Senior Member Posts: 729 Senior Member
    Spyderco Manix, it's a tank
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,280 Senior Member
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »

    Nice knife at a great price ... I think the best price I've seen on that one is about $80 plus you get free shipping.
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    - George Orwell
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 21,108 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Kersahw blur ain't a half bad knife.

    I have cheap knives and I have expensive knives. Big knives and little knives. But, if I had to pick one EDC knife for utility and fighting, it would be a Kershaw Blur with a plane edge.

    Thin and comfortable to carry. Fast to deploy and a blade that gets sharp enough to shave. The blade is long enough to cut what needs cutting and the handle thin enough to not make me think twice about putting it in my pocket.

    You ou can buy bigger and fancier if you so choose. But, you will not buy a more practical blade than the Blur.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 21,108 Senior Member
    Put this way, if I was him and you said I could have any blade up to $150..........I'd ask for a Blur.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Kersahw blur ain't a half bad knife.
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Zee wrote: »
    Put this way, if I was him and you said I could have any blade up to $150..........I'd ask for a Blur.

    Smokey Mt. Knife Works has them for $44.99 for the S30V, that will be the ticket, thanks guys.
    https://www.smkw.com/kershaw-s30v-blur-with-stone-washed-finish
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    If any of the LEO's on the forum that have not chimed in, speak up if you find this knife lacking when on duty.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,280 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Smokey Mt. Knife Works has them for $44.99 for the S30V, that will be the ticket, thanks guys.
    https://www.smkw.com/kershaw-s30v-blur-with-stone-washed-finish
    Chiro, When my wife fusses about me buying a spare, I'm blaming YOU!!!! :cuss:
    cpj wrote: »
    This, but I couldn't care less about the steel. EXCEPT that the one you linked is thicker than the other steel model, whatever it is. Didn't used to be the case. Keyshawn thinned the blade on the non sv30 model which really pissed me off.
    Well, I've been carrying and using mine for 3-4 years now and the only sharpening it has needed has been touch-ups on my ceramic sticks.
    It has RUINED me on lesser steels

    edited to add: Scratch that Chiro, you're safe from my wife, they're out of stock @ SMKW :tissue:

    edited again to add: Also, some of the copy at SMKW says it's the S30V model and then further down the page in the specs it says that's the Sandvik 14C28N Stainless Steel blade :confused:
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,233 Senior Member
    A Benchmade Griptilian 550 Axis lock replaced Spyderco Enduras as my pocket clipper of choice a couple years ago. Seems to be better on edge retention and I like that I can use either the Spyderco-like thumb hole as well as pulling back on the lock and flipping to open or close. The clip is reversible for preference, and the grip is more comfortably rounded than a lot of the flat-panels that a lot of other Benchmades seem to sport.

    Several point and edge types to choose from on those.

    I'm personally not a fan of spring-assisted, as I very nearly take the fingerprint off my thumb every time I open one. Automatic guns are OK - knives, not so much.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Chiro, When my wife fusses about me buying a spare, I'm blaming YOU!!!! :cuss:

    Well, I've been carrying and using mine for 3-4 years now and the only sharpening it has needed has been touch-ups on my ceramic sticks.
    It has RUINED me on lesser steels

    edited to add: Scratch that Chiro, you're safe from my wife, they're out of stock @ SMKW :tissue:

    edited again to add: Also, some of the copy at SMKW says it's the S30V model and then further down the page in the specs it says that's the Sandvik 14C28N Stainless Steel blade :confused:

    I emailed them, I bought some "Thistles" on the description they were assisted opening, they were not, they are kind of loose with the description.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member

    I really like these, I like the handles, how they fit the hand, my friend has told me a couple stories where an assisted open with a flipper is going to be more better one handed though.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • minnesotashooterminnesotashooter Senior Member Posts: 729 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    I really like these, I like the handles, how they fit the hand, my friend has told me a couple stories where an assisted open with a flipper is going to be more better one handed though.

    They flick open with ease, the lock mechanism is rock solid.

    How about them Wild tonight??
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    A Benchmade Griptilian 550 Axis lock replaced Spyderco Enduras as my pocket clipper of choice a couple years ago. Seems to be better on edge retention and I like that I can use either the Spyderco-like thumb hole as well as pulling back on the lock and flipping to open or close. The clip is reversible for preference, and the grip is more comfortably rounded than a lot of the flat-panels that a lot of other Benchmades seem to sport.

    Several point and edge types to choose from on those.

    I'm personally not a fan of spring-assisted, as I very nearly take the fingerprint off my thumb every time I open one. Automatic guns are OK - knives, not so much.

    Really? Who are you and what have you done with Bigslug? Practice till you get a callous, flippers are easier on the thumb. Since you chimed in, do LEO's in your neck of the woods utilize automatic knives(not just assisted) with any regularity?
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    They flick open with ease, the lock mechanism is rock solid.

    How about them Wild tonight??

    Highlight reel goals! The Ducks did not even pull their goalie!
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,952 Senior Member
    Knife steel's...

    http://bestpocketknifetoday.com/discovering-the-best-knife-steel/

    Personally I have been spoiled, and won't buy anything of lesser quality than 154cm anymore.



    Today’s popular knife steels starting with ultra premium:

    Steel-CrucibleCPM S110V
    EDGE RETENTION: 10 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 6 EASE OF SHARPENING: 1
    Quite simply the ultimate in wear resistance and edge retention on ‘mainstream’ knife production. Still relatively rare in the marketplace and arguably indistinguishable from CPM-S90V outside of the laboratory, but the fact remains that nothing holds an edge like Crucible’s CPM-S110V. It’s costly, a bitch for knifemakers to work with and sharpening can drive you nuts but a CPM-S110V blade will hold up for a ridiculous amount of time (as demonstrated in our review of the Spyderco Military).

    Steel-CrucibleCPM S90V
    EDGE RETENTION: 9 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 5 EASE OF SHARPENING: 1
    Crucible’s CPM S90V steel approaches the very pinnacle of wear resistance and edge retention. As you’d expect the carbon content is very high but the secret here is the extreme quantities of vanadium, almost three times that found in Elmax or S30V. Yes it’s ridiculously expensive, and yes it requires the patience of a saint to sharpen but outside its less common cousin CPM-S110V (see above) nothing holds an edge or withstands abrasion quite like CPM S90V. One of the hottest CPM S90V blade’s right now is the Benchmade 940-1 with exceptional performance.

    Steel-BohlerM390
    EDGE RETENTION: 9 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 7 EASE OF SHARPENING: 2
    M390 is one of the new super steels on the block, manufactured by Bohler-Uddeholm (result of merger of Austrian Bohler and Swedish Uddeholm). It uses third generation powder metal technology and developed for knife blades requiring excellent corrosion resistance and very high hardness for excellent wear resistance. Chromium, molybdenum, vanadium, and tungsten are added to promote sharpness and outstanding edge retention. Unlike ZDP-189 most carbides are formed by vanadium and molybdenum, leaving more ‘free chromium’ to fight corrosion. M390 hardens to 60-62 HRC. Bohler calls this steel “Microclean” and it can be polished to achieve a true mirror. Moderately difficult to sharpen, but won’t take you as long as with S90V. Benchmade’s 581 Barrage is an affordable example of M390 performing at its best.

    steel-hitachiZDP-189
    EDGE RETENTION: 8 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 4 EASE OF SHARPENING: 1
    ZDP-189 by Hitachi is another of the newer super steels containing huge quantities of carbon and chromium that result in ridiculous levels of hardness. ZDP-189 averages around 64 HRC but some knifemakers are able to achieve upwards of 66 HRC. Of course with those levels of hardness you can expect superb edge retention but at the cost of extreme difficulty in sharpening. With a chromium content of around 20% you’d expect it to be immune to corrosion right? Wrong. The massive amount of carbon in ZDP-189 effectively ‘pairs up’ with the chromium to form carbides which leaves less ‘free chromium’ to battle corrosion. So, while it’s both harder and more wear resistant than S30V it’s more prone to corrosion. Spyderco’s Dragonfly 2 is a good example.

    steel-uddeholmElmax
    EDGE RETENTION: 8 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 5 EASE OF SHARPENING: 3
    European Uddeholm (now Bohler-Uddeholm) introduced Elmax which is a high chromium-vanadium-molybdenum alloyed powdered steel with extremely high wear and corrosion resistance. Elmax is stainless but acts in many ways like a carbon steel. You get superb edge holding and relatively easy sharpening while maintaining a healthy resistance to rust. The ‘best all round’ knife steel? Perhaps. What’s great to see is that Bohler-Uddeholm sure is giving Crucible a run for their money these days. Great example of a superb Elmax blade is found on the popular ZT 0562.

    Steel-CrucibleCPM-20CV
    EDGE RETENTION: 9 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 7 EASE OF SHARPENING: 2
    CPM-20CV is Crucible’s version of Bohler’s popular M390 steel which also influenced Carpenter to copycat with CTS-204P. As a Powder Metallurgy (PM) tool steel, you get a combination of impressive wear resistance and edge retention plus the added benefit of being highly corrosion resistant due to high levels of chromium. It’s still fairly new in the market but makers like Benchmade are already using CPM-20CV in newer models like their 556-1 Griptilian. In fact, Benchmade claim their M390 is marginally tougher but 20CV has better edge retention.

    steel-premium

    steel-carpenterCTS-XHP
    EDGE RETENTION: 8 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 6 EASE OF SHARPENING: 5
    CTS-XHP from US based Carpenter is another relatively new knife steel that has very good edge retention and hardens to about 61 HRC. This is yet another powder metallurgy creation where Carpenter’s technicians have developed an extremely fine powder grain that results in excellent performance. Slightly better edge retention than S30V and but a little more work required in the sharpening process. Think of CTS-XHP as a more corrosion resistant form of D2 steel with marginally superior edge retention. Like D2, however, it’s not easy to sharpen and can be brittle (prone to chipping).

    Steel-CrucibleCPM M4
    EDGE RETENTION: 9 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 2 EASE OF SHARPENING: 2
    A high performance tool steel which excels at toughness and arguably holds and edge better than any other carbon steel. Like all CPM steels, CPM M4 is created using Crucible’s patented Crucible Particle Metallurgy process, which provides an extremely homogeneous, stable and grindable product compared to the traditional processes. CPM M4 provides superbly balances levels of abrasion resistance and toughness through high doses of molybdenum (hence the “M”), vanadium and tungsten together with reasonably high levels of carbon. It can be hardened to around 62-64 HRC but note M4 is a carbon steel is not considered stainless with relatively low levels of chromium. So, while this is one of the best steels around for cutting, it has to be properly cared for and may develop a patina over time. Some manufacturers have resorted to coatings which do help but note they won’t last forever. Easy to sharpen?…erm, no.

    Steel-CrucibleCPM S35VN
    EDGE RETENTION: 7 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 7 EASE OF SHARPENING: 5
    In 2009, Crucible and Chris Reeve introduced an ever so slightly superior version of their excellent S30V steel and named it S35VN. By using a much finer grain structure and adding small quantities of niobium (hence the “N”) they were able to make the outstanding S30V easier to machine while improving toughness and ability to sharpen. In the real world, however you will find the two near-indistinguishable. Many would argue this is the ultimate in ‘mainstream’ knife steels and you would struggle to find any steel with better edge retention, toughness and stain resistance for the money.

    Steel-CrucibleCPM S30V
    EDGE RETENTION: 7 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 7 EASE OF SHARPENING: 5
    Made by US based Crucible, CPM S30V (often simply referred to as S30V) steel has excellent edge retention and resists rust effortlessly. It was designed in the US and is typically used for the high-end premium pocket knives and expensive kitchen cutlery. The introduction of vanadium carbides brings extreme hardness into the steel alloy matrix. Dollar for dollar, this is generally regarded as one of the finest knife blade steels with the optimal balance of edge retention, hardness and toughness. Note S30V now has a slightly better looking brother in S35VN which is distinctly similar but easier for manufacturers to work with thanks to niobium. Still, S30V is pretty common these days and one of our favorites.

    Steel-high-end

    Steel-Crucible154CM
    EDGE RETENTION: 6 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 6 EASE OF SHARPENING: 5
    A relatively hard steel which is considered an upgraded version of 440C through the addition of Molybdenum. This achieves superior edge holding compared to 440C while retaining similar excellent levels of corrosion resistance despite having less Chromium. It has decent toughness good enough for most uses and holds an edge well. Not too difficult to sharpen with the right equipment. You’ll find a lot of quality pocket knives from top manufacturers like Benchmade using 154CM steel. You may also see CPM 154 which is a powder version of the same alloy produced much differently using Crucible Particle Metallurgy (Sweden’s Damasteel also produces a similar grade in RWL-34). The Particle Metallurgy process makes finer carbide particles resulting in a slightly superior steel that’s tougher and with better edge retention … but whether the average user can tell the difference is arguable.

    steel-hitachiATS-34
    EDGE RETENTION: 6 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 6 EASE OF SHARPENING: 5
    This steel can be thought of as the Japanese equivalent to the US made 154CM. Accordingly, it has very similar properties and characteristics to the 154CM and in general represents a high quality steel which has become very popular with knife makers. ATS-34 has great edge retention but is actually a little less rust resistant than the lower-range 440C steel.

    steel-genericD2
    EDGE RETENTION: 8 CORROSION RESISTANCE: 2 EASE OF SHARPENING: 3
    D2 steel is a tool steel often referred to as “semi-stainless” as it falls just short of the required amount of chromium (13%) to qualify as full stainless yet it still provides a good amount of resistance to corrosion. On the flip side D2 steel is much harder than other steels in this category such as 154CM or ATS-34 and as a result holds its edge a little better. That said, it’s not as tough as many other steels and exponentially tougher to sharpen. In fact, you really need to be a master-sharpener to get a fine edge on D2.
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,233 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Really? Who are you and what have you done with Bigslug? Practice till you get a callous, flippers are easier on the thumb. Since you chimed in, do LEO's in your neck of the woods utilize automatic knives(not just assisted) with any regularity?

    When you're used to opening a Spyderco all the way with your thumb, the same motion causes the blade to shoot out to full-open, overshooting the thumb, which continues its normal arc. I pretty much always end up "checking the edge" on such knives, which is only something I want to do when actually checking the edge.

    A few guys I know have spring assists. True switchblades of any significant size are not real popular here in CA as they are restricted to LE only, and LE probably doesn't buy a lot of them simply due to limited retail exposure. At the point you can get the knife open quickly with one hand though, what's the reason for the extra moving parts?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Wild DogWild Dog Banned Posts: 67 Member
    Whatever knife you choose to get, make sure you spend several hours perfecting your knife throwing technique. It will save your life one day.
    Woof Woof, Dirtbag!!!
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    None of my trainers or instructors have ever, EVER advocated throwing a knife; in fact just the opposite. Never toss away any weapon you can use, ever.

    Go back to your hot pockets.
    “A gun is a tool, no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.”

    NRA Endowment Member
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,233 Senior Member
    Wild Dog wrote: »
    Whatever knife you choose to get, make sure you spend several hours perfecting your knife throwing technique. It will save your life one day.

    Probably not. Didn't you see the recent thread in the clubhouse about how the circus shut down? It might be time to hang up the sequined jumpsuit & earn your paycheck elsewhere.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,952 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Eli has an assisted Benchmade that's STUPID fast. It REALLY blurs the line between assisted and automatic. I was quite surprised when I tried it, and my surprise was expressed quite eloquently if I do say so myself. :tooth: The out the fronts are faster, but again limit the carry options.
    Of course none are as fast as a fixed blade, but even a 3-4" fixed blade ain't easy to conceal or at least handy to conceal.

    Probably the same action as mine (Mini Barrage). They use this type ("Assisted opening Axis lock") on several models... the Barrage, Arcane, Volli, Emissary, and maybe others I'm not familiar with. It WORKS, and locks utterly tight with NO play.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,952 Senior Member
    Wild Dog wrote: »
    Whatever knife you choose to get, make sure you spend several hours perfecting your knife throwing technique. It will save your life one day.

    LMAO!!! You just get funnier and funnier!!!
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    When you're used to opening a Spyderco all the way with your thumb, the same motion causes the blade to shoot out to full-open, overshooting the thumb, which continues its normal arc. I pretty much always end up "checking the edge" on such knives, which is only something I want to do when actually checking the edge.

    A few guys I know have spring assists. True switchblades of any significant size are not real popular here in CA as they are restricted to LE only, and LE probably doesn't buy a lot of them simply due to limited retail exposure. At the point you can get the knife open quickly with one hand though, what's the reason for the extra moving parts?

    I am not an LEO, nor have I trained with a knife, but I figure for me getting a folder open under duress is going to be easier with an assisted opener, once it is open, I do know my anatomy. Thanks again, I started the thread because I do not know what works for an LEO on a daily basis.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 21,108 Senior Member
    LMLarsen wrote: »
    None of my trainers or instructors have ever, EVER advocated throwing a knife; in fact just the opposite. Never toss away any weapon you can use, ever.

    Go back to your hot pockets.

    If you can dodge a wrench.........

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,952 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Whatever it was, you moved the blade a tiny, TINY bit and WHACK! Out she was.

    Yep. Any of the models I mentioned before are just like that. Smoking fast and easy.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,222 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Chiro, When my wife fusses about me buying a spare, I'm blaming YOU!!!! :cuss:

    Well, I've been carrying and using mine for 3-4 years now and the only sharpening it has needed has been touch-ups on my ceramic sticks.
    It has RUINED me on lesser steels

    edited to add: Scratch that Chiro, you're safe from my wife, they're out of stock @ SMKW :tissue:

    edited again to add: Also, some of the copy at SMKW says it's the S30V model and then further down the page in the specs it says that's the Sandvik 14C28N Stainless Steel blade :confused:
    They said it was the S30V, per an email response from SMKW.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
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