Beat up by a .45 colt

NNNN Senior MemberPosts: 23,982 Senior Member
Ok so I'm a :queen:.

Anyway I shot one .45 colt 265 gr 1400 fps round. I'm not shooting another unless there is a deer or pig standing close in front of me or something else is going to try and eat me.

Anyway, Teach, how does that load compare to your T-rex loads? And if it is equal or less than the T-rex loading, could I try one or two in your gun that has the hogue grip in May?

I did notice it resulted in a flat primer. It is grizzly ammo.
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  • Zapp BraniganZapp Branigan Member Posts: 108 Member
    Yes I can imagine it having a flattened primer, that's a hideous overload, the pressure must have been way over what the .45 Colt was meant to do.
    When I handloaded for 45 Colt, the Speer manual listed max loads for "Contender/Ruger Blackhawk only" that would get a 250 grain bullet out at just under 1300 fps from a 7 1/2" barrel.
    What were you shooting it out of?
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Ok so I'm a :queen:.

    Anyway I shot one .45 colt 265 gr 1400 fps round. I'm not shooting another unless there is a deer or pig standing close in front of me or something else is going to try and eat me.

    Anyway, Teach, how does that load compare to your T-rex loads? And if it is equal or less than the T-rex loading, could I try one or two in your gun that has the hogue grip in May?

    I did notice it resulted in a flat primer. It is grizzly ammo.

    I've fired Teach's Ruger .45 Colt with his special loads, they sure will get your attention when you pull the trigger! I imagine anything on the receiving end would not be around very long to complain about it either :guns:
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,706 Senior Member
    Yes I can imagine it having a flattened primer, that's a hideous overload, the pressure must have been way over what the .45 Colt was meant to do.

    I'm gonna guess that loading came from John Linebaugh. He took Elmer Kieth's experimenting to the next level and suprisingly enough, That bullet at that velocity with H110 or 296 pushing it just bumps 30,000 CUP. (Linebaugh and H.P White Labs both concluded that "Ruger blackhawks in .45 colt were destroyed in controlled test conditions at approximately 60,000 CUP pressure levels.")
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    I'm shooting a 300 grain gaschecked hard cast bullet at around 1300 FPS (chronographed), with no noticeable primer problems. The type of powder used will have a lot to do with instantaneous pressure spikes, but in general, any load that flattens primers in a straight-walled case is dangerously overpressured. I'm using H-110 and Lil'Gun, with a slight charge reduction with the Lil'Gun. PM me if you want specifics on the load. It's definitely in "Ruger-only" territory, but my Blackhawk has fired hundreds of them with no apparent damage. Before I switched to the Hogue grip, the original grip panels were bruising and cutting my hands with only a few shots fired, and shooting was definitely uncomfortable. The trigger guard was beating up the middle knuckle on my second finger with every shot. The Hogue grip fills up the gap behind the guard, forcing a lower hand position. It's butt-ugly, but the modified hand position and the rubber grip material makes a huge difference. You're welcome to shoot all you want- - - -it's definitely a unique experience!
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    What were you shooting it out of?
    Blackhawk convertable
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    I'm shooting a 300 grain gaschecked hard cast bullet at around 1300 FPS Jerry
    Do you suppose they get it 1400 fps because it is a 265 gr bullet?
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    Probably, or maybe they're using a VERY fast powder. My Blackhawk is a convertible I built myself, with a 6" barrel and a .45 Colt cylinder Bullsi 1911 donated to me several years ago. It had a .45 ACP cylinder and a 4 5/8" barrel when I bought it. I set up both cylinders with a very close cylinder/barrel gap, about .002". I could probably get a few more FPS out of mine, but it's doing all I want it to do already. I built it up to be a backup piece for a hog hunt I went on some time ago, then never got to use it for anything but range work. I'm hoping to see a deer up close and personal one of these days and see what one of those big slugs will do. We tried some of them in Knitepoet's wet newsprint box, and got over 18" of penetration and a recovered bullet that could have been loaded and fired again! It looks like the computer ate the pic I had of the recovered bullet, but here's what a loaded round looks like. There's a lot more bullet inside the case than what's sticking out!

    45_300_grain_002.jpg

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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,509 Senior Member
    Yes I can imagine it having a flattened primer, that's a hideous overload, the pressure must have been way over what the .45 Colt was meant to do.
    When I handloaded for 45 Colt, the Speer manual listed max loads for "Contender/Ruger Blackhawk only" that would get a 250 grain bullet out at just under 1300 fps from a 7 1/2" barrel.
    What were you shooting it out of?

    'Ya might want to brush up on your info, Hodgdon lists a 250 XTP at 1455 fps. I have a hundred of them loaded. I'd guess that you could probably push a hard cast, gas checked bullet faster. 1400 with a 265gr bullet is certainly attainable, safely.

    Ned, it's the grip that gets you. Like Teach said, that plowhandle is brutal with heavy loads. Get a Hogue, or a Bisley grip frame, like I have. Makes those heavies much more pleasant.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    'Ya might want to brush up on your info, Hodgdon lists a 250 XTP at 1455 fps. I have a hundred of them loaded. I'd guess that you could probably push a hard cast, gas checked bullet faster. 1400 with a 265gr bullet is certainly attainable, safely.

    Ned, it's the grip that gets you. Like Teach said, that plowhandle is brutal with heavy loads. Get a Hogue, or a Bisley grip frame, like I have. Makes those heavies much more pleasant.
    I looked into a Hogue grip and some others, they do not make one for my revolver.

    It has that lock in in the grip, I called hogue and they said they do not have one for it, I saw a hogue web page that indicates they are working on that issue.

    I am going to wait for it.

    Incidentally, I did get a hogue for the SP 101 .327 and the Redhawk.
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  • justin10mmjustin10mm Senior Member Posts: 688 Senior Member
    I've shot some of the Grizzly 260gr. JSP ammo listed at 1350fps out of my 4 5/8 Blackhawk. Definitely snappy but not too bad to control. I know I don't want/need any more power for even the biggest Texas hogs.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    Ned, can you post a picture of the grip frame? I'm having a hard time visualizing why the earlier-style Hogue grip couldn't be modified in some way to make it fit. As long as it's got the classic Blackhawk shape, I believe there should be some way to adapt one intended for a gun such as mine, which is from sometime in the 1980's IIRC.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,165 Senior Member
    According to this article:
    http://www.gunblast.com/Hamm_Ruger-SA-GripFrames.htm
    they shifted the grip panel locator pins.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    they shifted the grip panel locator pins.

    About 5 minutes' work with a drill press would fix that little problem!
    Jerry
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,165 Senior Member
    If you're talking about the pins in the grip frame: that may interfere with the safety lock. Not that that's a bad thing...
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,772 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    it's definitely a unique experience!

    I'll second that!
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    The Hogue grip uses an extender strut to attach the grip to the frame, which accomodates the extra length of the replacement grip. There is one screw going through the bottom of the grip which pulls the grip into place. I believe it's designed to hook itself over the roll pin in the grip frame. Any gunsmith worthy of the name should be able to fabricate a diferent bracket, or at least drill one small hole in the grip frame to accomodate a roll pin in the original location. There's probably some legal beagle at Hogue who's keeping a common-sense fix from happening. That dumb-donkey lock is probably involved somehow!
    Jerry
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,165 Senior Member
    I've got Hogues on some other revolvers, that's how they attach there, too.

    Could just make the bracket a bit larger with 2 sets of holes: one for the original style grip frame, another for the lock.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    The "angle of dangle" is probably wrong with the new hole placement, necessitating a modification of the grip frame. That would prevent Hogue from merchandising it as a "direct-fit" replacement. Easy to fix, just impossible without drilling a hole, or something similar, I believe.
    Jerry
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,165 Senior Member
    Probably.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member

    You can see the roll pin in the lower left hand corner of the grip.


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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,509 Senior Member
    Looks like you could drill a hole where it's supposed to go.......
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    :blah:


    "imoit:
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    There is something different there, does that grip have the downward turn closer to the frame and trigger? Note how the notch for the lock is in the back strap somewhat.
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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,509 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    There is something different there, does that grip have the downward turn closer to the frame and trigger? Note how the notch for the lock is in the back strap somewhat.

    Yes, that's a Bisley grip frame. Remeber how I keep asking you if you want to shoot my Bisley's? Completely different shape that the "hogleg" you have. Tames the recoil.

    I don't think there's a notch for a lock. You'd probably have to get a new hammer strut.
    IMG_1028.jpg
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,165 Senior Member
    Might need a new hammer and trigger, too. I know the hammer's lower, I think the Bisley trigger's more to the rear.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    Well, I'll plan on bringing those Grizzly factory bullets to the shoot and we can go from there.

    We can let BGK be the guinea fowl since that would be normal SOP.

    Unless Buffy comes, then we could duct tape him to a post and let him shoot some.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    :wink:
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,982 Senior Member
    jbohio:
    There was a reason at the time I did not shoot it, might have been that Philip had one there and I shot his.

    Was not in the market for one at the time so shooting one was enough---no offence intended and I expext none taken.

    If ,as I gleaned from this thread, I think I need the one with the longer reach from the backstrap to the trigger.

    But, if there is a next time, I'll request to shoot yours.
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