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Another .308 Win 168gr ELD-Match Bullet Kill! Yikes!

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 27,551 Senior Member
My boy and I went over to my friends ranch yesterday to help him build a shooting bench for all of us to use.

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When we finished, we decided to go hunting and try to take another management deer with the 168gr Hornady ELD-Match bullet out of one of my .308 Win rifles. So, we headed out late and climbed up in a stand.

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The feeder was empty, but we threw some corn out down one of the sendaros. Eventually, a doe and two yearlings came out. Then a smaller 8 point. Nothing really enticing. Then, about 5:15, a huge doe came out at the far end of another sendaro I'd never seen deer on before. We glassed her and decided that she would be a good one to take. So, I re-positioned in the blind and stuck the gun out the appropriate window. Rested the forend on the window sill and the butt on top of my Bog_Pod Tripod with a rear bag. Dialed up 1 minute in the scope and held for her shoulder. The last doe was a behind the shoulder hit with very little bone impacted. This time, I was going to try and hit as much bone as possible. Just to test the bullets performance.

Told everyone, "Here it goes." And sent the bullet across 175 yards of terrain and smack dab into her shoulder. "Whop!"

And she crumpled to the ground without a twitch. Packed up our gear and headed over to her.

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Biggest doe we've taken of the place this season. Gooooooooooood eat'n!

Science next.........
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    Your son is the spitting image of you.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    Science!

    Cartridge: .308 Winchester w/ 16" barrel
    Bullet: Hornady 168gr ELD-Match
    Muzzle Velocity: 2,600 fps
    Distance of Shot: 175
    Angle: Broadside
    Impact Velocity: 2,313 fps (est.)
    Distance Traveled: 0 yards

    Entrance

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    And the Jiffy Skin

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    Entrance Under Skin
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    Exit Under Skin
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    Now, let's look at everything in between.
    The Bullet struck the on side scapula and punched a hole right through it. Then it broke 3 ribs on entrance to the thoracic cavity. Severed the spine IN HALF! Broke three ribs on exit. Nicked the off side scapula. Then lodged under the off side hide. Or, what I found did.

    Oh, and it obliterated the off side front lobe of the lung. Gone!

    On Side Lung
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    Off Side Lung
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    Notice the front half missing?

    How about a look at the spine from inside the thoracic cavity.

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    Now........the truly impressive part. The HOLE the bullet left through the deer!!

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    That hole goes through where the spine is SUPPOSED to be. But, it's gone. A whole section of vertebrae missing.

    Entrance
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    Exit
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    And of course, by boy had to get in on the action.

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    With the meat removed. (Entrance Right / Exit Left)

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    This is all I recovered from the bullet under the hide on the off side.

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    I'm still sticking with the thinking that the bullet is acting softer than the previous 168gr A-Max bullets we've played with. I can't say that I am displeased with these results. I mean, it went through every bone in the front of the deer at almost 200 yards. And left a hole big enough to push an arm through while denigrating the front half of a lung. Really........it killed that deer as dead as any bullet could.

    We need more testing!!!!!

    Oh, and for you science types............

    Baby deer.........

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Very nice bench:up:

    You sure that bullet didn't yaw?
    :jester::jester::jester:
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,522 Senior Member
    And the testing continues!
    Rock on brother
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,037 Senior Member
    As always I enjoy your posts, interesting and informative.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    And the testing continues!
    Rock on brother

    That's probably my last deer of the season. So, it'll be pigs from here on out.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    As always I enjoy your posts, interesting and informative.

    JAY

    Thanks. I try to learn something new every time myself. Might as well share that with others.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Meat.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    From the damage, if you said you used a Nosler Ballistic Tip, I would believe you. That looks like the results I would expect from those.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Another deer with and inadequate bullet from an inadequate chambering. Nice.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,380 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    That's probably my last deer of the season. So, it'll be pigs from here on out.

    Squealings. . .

    Nothing more than squealings. . .:jester:

    Your boy knows that's "V for Victory", right?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,275 Senior Member
    Nice hole! Excellent season at your house:applause:
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Nice hole! Excellent season at your house:applause:

    It's been good. I've taken 11 or 12 deer (can't remember), my boy has taken 2, and I'm going to let him take 2 more Axis deer if we get a chance.

    I miiiiight get a shot at another deer on another property.

    I'm most proud of my boy. It's his first season and he's done excellent on his shots.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,275 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    It's been good. I've taken 11 or 12 deer (can't remember), my boy has taken 2, and I'm going to let him take 2 more Axis deer if we get a chance.

    I miiiiight get a shot at another deer on another property.

    I'm most proud of my boy. It's his first season and he's done excellent on his shots.

    What do your kids like with the deer meat? Mine are all over the teriyaki sticks, fresh bratwurst, and jerky made from roasts. They will be all over the loins an kabobs too.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    Burgers. They like the way I cook the deer burgers.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    That bullet looks like it gets the job done. No surprises at all on the fragmentation and I think that any traditional cup and core bullet is doing that when it encounters that much bone. Performance was still excellent.

    I want to give the .284 diameter ELD-X a try just for kicks. Gonna have to make up a new load for the XP-100 eventually...

    Oh, and it appears that another pregnant doe goes down. Now I don't feel so bad. Turns out mine from tonight was carrying, too.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • RimfireRimfire Senior Member Posts: 849 Senior Member
    Really appreciate the Science-ing, Zee. Thank you.

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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    Added two more braces to the rear leg to take out a little wobble. Sucker is rock solid now!

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    Coated the rear of the table with truck bed liner to provide a no-slip surface for the rear bags and elbows.

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    Ready to go!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,185 Senior Member
    Great looking bench, good shooting and excellent science. Zee you rocked it again.
    And the guys are right, your son looks a whole lot like you
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Jeff in TXJeff in TX Senior Member Posts: 2,432 Senior Member
    Nice bench but isn't that bench gonna be hot as all get out in the deep south Texas sun?
    Distance is not an issue, but the wind can make it interesting!

    John 3: 1-21
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    Jeff in TX wrote: »
    Nice bench but isn't that bench gonna be hot as all get out in the deep south Texas sun?

    We shoot it from inside his barn where you see it setting. Pulled out of the way between the bay doors to store, we slide it in position when we want to shoot. Lowering the bay door to keep the sun out of our eyes if needed.

    Spoiled.

    This is the load development and zero range. There is already a similar bench set up on the longer range out to 800 yards.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    What is the base of that stool made from?

    Very nice bench.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    Plow disk.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 4,366 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Plow disk.

    Saw that. They make great cooking disks too. :up:
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Plow disk.

    That's what I was guessing, thanks.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    Jay wrote: »
    Saw that. They make great cooking disks too. :up:

    They do make an excellent wok.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 2,567 Senior Member
    That rifle looks interesting. Details?
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,551 Senior Member
    JKP wrote: »
    That rifle looks interesting. Details?

    Rem 700 Action
    16.25" Krieger Barrel with 1-8" Twist
    .308 Win chamber
    Timney Trigger
    AICS Stock
    MARS Rail
    Leupold MK4 Rings
    Leupold TS-30 A2 3-9x scope
    Ops Inc Brake
    Kinetic Research Group Bolt Knob
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Jay wrote: »
    Saw that. They make great cooking disks too. :up:

    Yep, around here the Mexicans mainly, make a tripas cooker by welding two disks to a piece of round stock the same diameter or a little smaller than the hole in the disk with the disks about 8-10 inches apart on the shaft or round stock, and with about 10-12 inches of pointed shaft sticking out of the bottom disk to stick in the ground and driven in with a hammer. Then you put hot coals in the bottom disk and what you want to cook in the top disk. This is usually Tripas, but the sky's the limit on what you can cook if it fits in the top disk. All you need then is a flat griddle that you can heat your tortillas on and some pico de gallo and if you like Tripa tacos you have it made. And not limited to Tripas, I've seen people fry chicken in the top disk. It's a handy way to cook out when you're hunting or camping.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    That's a seriously sick short 308 setup. And great shooting.


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