How about a revolver? They make some pretty light weight ones in .357 and you can do a lot to the triggers.
As I think about it...this isn't a bad idea...the LCR-X has an exposed hammer...as do a number of more pricey snub nose revolvers....get a sticky holster and stick it in your back pocket...They all have a single action trigger pull that you should find acceptable...Though I will note that .357 Mag version of the LCR is a handful....
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Your insistence to "not dress around the gun" severely limits your choices of carry guns
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No one is saying to run out and spend a grand on a gun and holster, but you have to make some compromises to get what you want.
You want a defense weapon with a light trigger, that packs 10 rounds and is less than a pound?! Plus it needs to be small enough to fit into a pocket watch pocket so you don't need to 'dress' for it? Um...no.
Plenty of minimalist solutions but you may need to be more flexible in your thinking. Below is something similar to what I have. Slides on a good gun belt in about 2 seconds, incredibly comfortable, and can be used upright or canted forward depending on how you like it. Mine doesn't print much with a untucked shirt. Below is the CZ-75 compact. The 2075 RAMI is even smaller.
My full sized M&P with a ten round CA magazine ( it was a CA gun I got on a good deal) weighs 31.75 ounces loaded. Add about 4 ounces if I am carrying the 17 rounders. Usually I carry the tens and pack a 17 spare. It really isn't that noticeable, but I'm 5ft 10inches and about 250lbs.
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OK, you need a replacement for the KelTec and the Ruger LCP because of the awful trigger. First, I agree with you-both are awful. My Best friend has a P3AT and I can say it's not just the bad trigger, it's the awful ergonomics. The little tyke is virtually uncontrollable under recoil. You need a weapon similar in size and caliber that is just as easy to carry, but has a decent trigger and is designed for far better control. And it would be nice if it also had a slide stop, and cost under two bills.
The Taurus 738 TCP. Never mind the naysayers here, do your own research on the Internet and watch a dozen or so videos on YouTube. The trigger on these American designed and American made guns is light and smooth, the gun is accurate and reliable as sunrise with everything from practice rounds to Buffalo Bore, and the ergonomics just plain work. The almost full length metal slide rail inside the polymer frame enhances reliability, and the double nested recoil springs help control - it's still snappy but nothing like the pain of a P3AT. That means your follow-up shots are faster and more accurate, and your practice sessions can last a lot longer.
I'm tired of the crappy trigger on my Kel Tec and Ruger LCP. Its a mile long and I shake like a dog crapping a razor blade while aiming and pulling the trigger. I do however want a gun with the same lightweight and slim characteristics because I refuse to dress to carry. I like how my crappy trigger carry guns fit in my fifth (watch pocket). I want something with at least 10 rounds. I'd like something in 10mm or 40 if possible. No 1911's as I've yet to hold one that weighs less than a brick. I have $4700 in the gun fund but I'm not going to go for broke. Need suggestions. Always hated the looks and bulkiness of a glock but I know they function great but know squat on their triggers. Need your advice badly before I purchase another paperweight.
Ruger LC9S Pro is your answer. Oops...Not .40, and not 10 rounds either, but easily pocket carry, and has a GREAT trigger. If you can live with 8 rounds of 9mm, it's a good choice. About $350 delivered too.
Luis
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Okay, 10 rounds isn't a game changer. And I've never worn ANY holster, leather, nylon, IWB, OWB, front, back or side that didn't dig into me one way or another when I sit down (especially in a car). And I'm no lard ass, but I ain't built like I was when I was a teenager and the larger Kel Tec p11 fits nicely in my watch pocket with the clip draw. I actually love the way it feels and the sights aren't bad but I can't keep but half the magazine on the target at 7 yards (no exaggeration on a 2'x4' target). Also JayHawker, the tremors aren't too bad just yet. I'm another of the few with "Early onset". The day I can't handle a gun, well I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. As a closer, even IF it were possible to find a holster I like, I don't want a cynderblock weighted gun yankin on my drawers.
If it's a nerve tremor thing causing inaccuracy, practice may or may not help. You might ask your doctor what can be done to control the tremors. Parkinson is a bitch. Maybe if called upon to defend yourself you can discourage an attacker with gunfire. I feel for you.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
That's also standing, not supported and add the crappy triggers. I can shoot pretty descent with single action though. The added shakes add up down range.
That's also standing, not supported and add the crappy triggers. I can shoot pretty descent with single action though. The added shakes add up down range.
Some proper training can correct much of your problem. Learning trigger control will help you shoot with a less than perfect trigger and then shooting with a good trigger may make you better but you have problems that need to be addressed with training rather than a light trigger and lots of practice won't help if you're practicing bad habits. Learn to shoot first and then decide what you need.
Best striker fired trigger in my opinion is the Walther PPQ. The Walther CCP reportedly has a similar trigger. As others have said, if you have tremors or the like a single action trigger probably isn't for you.
Yes. The trigger on mine is very crisp from the factory, but if you like, about $80-100 will get you an Apex trigger kit installed that will make it damn near perfect. Now you can get the Shield with or without a 1911-style safety too.
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Seven yards is a fine Self Defense range to practice at. A lot of good suggestions here, some $$$ like the Walther PPQ sells for $650. Practice is a good thing, although I doubt it can totally overcome Parkinson tremors. If you can anticipate the tremors you can probably do a lot better with the trigger; don't know, I don't have it and don't know the degree of the tremors.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
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I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
LOL....I have the bigger brother to the PT738, the PT709. I have to admit I like it and that little Taurus is damned accurate.
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If you want to spend a bit more Kimber micro 9 is an awesome mini 1911 with a match grade barrel,trigger.Easy to conceal and they are light for a metal pistol.Sig also in the same category.Good luck on your search.Everyone has an opiion but yours is the most important.
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings and Rocket Man, don't take this as any type of attack or insult but I don't think that the combination of a nervous disorder, a light trigger, and a severe lack of ability to shoot a handgun is a safe position to be in. For reference, a standard IPSC target is pretty well considered to be of average torso dimensions and they are 18"x30". I was curious and measured the width of my center mass and it is 15", and I'm 5'-10" and 210lbs. The point of this is, if we are ever required to use a firearm to defend ourselves, all of the rounds need to be "minute of bad guy". I own a few target pistols and several different handguns that I carry and I prefer a heavier trigger pull on my carry pieces to avoid a possible adrenaline/nerve induced AD.
Rocketman, I'm reasonably confident that if you make it to a SE Shoot, there will be at least a few people qualified and willing to give you a little coaching and help you improve your shooting.
There may be some hope for me after all! I keep talking about how crappy the triggers are on my two carry guns, but tonight I decided that I would for the first time ever try some dry fire practice. This also made me realize that I have never really tried the LCP at the range. I thought I did because I know I've fired it, but apparently I'm mistaken. Started with the Keltec using a wall outlet as a target while I sit my lazy ass on the couch. And as always since this gun is my true carry gun (because of ammo capacity mostly) the trigger is effin horrible. Super long with a ton of weight until it breaks. I kept noticing that my aim would vary greatly with each trigger pull. Next the LCP, same target for reference. Holy smokes, I either as stated above haven't fired this thing much or I didn't pay attention to the trigger or try for accuracy because the trigger isn't bad at all. Its not great but its doable. I was able to keep on target with each trigger break. I also found that its best to use the first joint of my trigger finger to squeeze the trigger or else I keep ending up pulling right of target. I feel pretty confident with the LCP now since I've never practiced dry firing. And to add the crazy to this, well I have a cheap Raven 25acp (Jennings knockoff??) that I put through the same paces. Surprisingly this little cheapie has about a 2 lb trigger that's butter smooth. Its always been reliable without any issues and I'm thinking this is a good pistol to practice with except for ammo cost. But either way, the LCP made me realize a few things I was doing wrong besides carrying the Keltec. Range time will ensue.
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As I think about it...this isn't a bad idea...the LCR-X has an exposed hammer...as do a number of more pricey snub nose revolvers....get a sticky holster and stick it in your back pocket...They all have a single action trigger pull that you should find acceptable...Though I will note that .357 Mag version of the LCR is a handful....
For some reason, our OP has an aversion to holsters....
:agree:
No one is saying to run out and spend a grand on a gun and holster, but you have to make some compromises to get what you want.
You want a defense weapon with a light trigger, that packs 10 rounds and is less than a pound?! Plus it needs to be small enough to fit into a pocket watch pocket so you don't need to 'dress' for it? Um...no.
Plenty of minimalist solutions but you may need to be more flexible in your thinking. Below is something similar to what I have. Slides on a good gun belt in about 2 seconds, incredibly comfortable, and can be used upright or canted forward depending on how you like it. Mine doesn't print much with a untucked shirt. Below is the CZ-75 compact. The 2075 RAMI is even smaller.
My full sized M&P with a ten round CA magazine ( it was a CA gun I got on a good deal) weighs 31.75 ounces loaded. Add about 4 ounces if I am carrying the 17 rounders. Usually I carry the tens and pack a 17 spare. It really isn't that noticeable, but I'm 5ft 10inches and about 250lbs.
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The Taurus 738 TCP. Never mind the naysayers here, do your own research on the Internet and watch a dozen or so videos on YouTube. The trigger on these American designed and American made guns is light and smooth, the gun is accurate and reliable as sunrise with everything from practice rounds to Buffalo Bore, and the ergonomics just plain work. The almost full length metal slide rail inside the polymer frame enhances reliability, and the double nested recoil springs help control - it's still snappy but nothing like the pain of a P3AT. That means your follow-up shots are faster and more accurate, and your practice sessions can last a lot longer.
Here's just one of the many reviews worth reading (it includes a video): http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/jeremy-s/gun-review-taurus-738-tcp/
There are lots and lots more on YouTube. Enjoy.
Ruger LC9S Pro is your answer. Oops...Not .40, and not 10 rounds either, but easily pocket carry, and has a GREAT trigger. If you can live with 8 rounds of 9mm, it's a good choice. About $350 delivered too.
Luis
I'd suggest getting a .22 and practicing. A lot.
Some proper training can correct much of your problem. Learning trigger control will help you shoot with a less than perfect trigger and then shooting with a good trigger may make you better but you have problems that need to be addressed with training rather than a light trigger and lots of practice won't help if you're practicing bad habits. Learn to shoot first and then decide what you need.
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But Zee shot the hell outta his Buddy's KelTec. Had to be the gun :jester:
Yes. The trigger on mine is very crisp from the factory, but if you like, about $80-100 will get you an Apex trigger kit installed that will make it damn near perfect. Now you can get the Shield with or without a 1911-style safety too.
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Rocketman, I'm reasonably confident that if you make it to a SE Shoot, there will be at least a few people qualified and willing to give you a little coaching and help you improve your shooting.
Get a Dillon Square Deal in each caliber and call it a day.
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