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1x-4x optics, where've they been all my life? (A Vortex PST review)

JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior MemberPosts: 6,563 Senior Member
My local range...sucks. It has no open-use 3Gun type range to play around with low magnification optics at variable ranges. So, I settled for a static 200 yard range and a separate "action" area to try the 1x. Oh boy...

I'm in love. I'm using a Vortex Viper PST 1-4x w/illumination option.

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While there is some field of view compromise versus a small (micro style) red dot, it's not enough to bother me. It's a very fast shooting optic and the illuminated reticle is very intuitive for CQB distances. A dot may be slightly quicker for new shooters, but practice can fix almost anything.

Here's the "TMCQ" reticle. The MOA is represented here, but I have the MRAD.

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The red portions are that which illuminates. There's an off position between each brightness setting. A valued and simple feature.

It appears a little small in the optic. It's second focal plane; a little bummer, but it's not a hindrance. If the reticle scaled that would be nice, but not really imperative for a 4x optic I don't think. The 1-6x and 1-8x optics out there could have advantages at a FFP configuration. They're priced accordingly.

The turrets are 0.2 MIL per click. Twice the normal MIL scope. Not a problem, you just need to half the clicks for your drop estimations before moving the turret. The reticle is useful for holdovers making turret adjustments a thing for 300+ yard shots on small targets.

On 2x and 4x I was keeping sub MOA groups at 100 yards. The reticle definitely draws your focus to the small middle dot and thus the point of aim. It's a decent reticle. 200 yard shots were child's play as they should be with decent glass and an accurate weapon.

I'm going to save some pennies for a FFP 1-6x or a 1-8x. They are all in the $1500+ realm, but offer better glass, FFP reticle scaling and better observations at 500+ yards.

Dare I say I'm done with any scope over 10x for any application inside 1000 yards.


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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    One of my favorite scopes for hunting is a 1.5-4.5X Redfield. Low magnification is good for some applications.
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    I really enjoy my 1-4x scopes and like the 2-7x almost as much. Even the ever present 3-9x is almost more scope than I want now.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    I put a 1-4x Leupold on my 'home defense' AR-15 because my eyes are no longer reliable for irons or red dot, at 50 yards. So, I can leave it on 1x for faster target acquisition, up close, or crank it out to 4x for 100+ yards. It seems to be a good solution. It has a thick reticle for shotgun use, but still enables me to shoot under 2 MOA at 100 yards, so it fits the bill for that rifle.

    I like your Vortex, but I'm too cheap to spend that much for anything but my favorite hunting rifle. :tooth:
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,563 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I put a 1-4x Leupold on my 'home defense' AR-15 because my eyes are no longer reliable for irons or red dot, at 50 yards. So, I can leave it on 1x for faster target acquisition, up close, or crank it out to 4x for 100+ yards. It seems to be a good solution. It has a thick reticle for shotgun use, but still enables me to shoot under 2 MOA at 100 yards, so it fits the bill for that rifle.

    I like your Vortex, but I'm too cheap to spend that much for anything but my favorite hunting rifle. :tooth:


    This PST model defies its brethren's prices. Being SFP is less expensive at about $375.


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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,731 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    This PST model defies its brethren's prices. Being SFP is less expensive at about $375.


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    I have grown to like low-powered scopes over the years...I put a fixed 3X Nikon with a balliistic reticle on my latest AR. IMHO not much sense in putting the Hubble on a rifle that isn't going to be shot past 200 yards...
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,563 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I have grown to like low-powered scopes over the years...I put a fixed 3X Nikon with a balliistic reticle on my latest AR. IMHO not much sense in putting the Hubble on a rifle that isn't going to be shot past 200 yards...


    My max range allowance was 200, but I'd engage steel (AKA people) at 600 no problem with it.

    I went so far to mark the DOPE on the turrets with an enamel paint fine tip pen. 100/200, 300, 400, 500, and 600. The 100/200 is just my zero point and each other one is marked as "3, 4, 5, 6" with the turret hash mark extended up to the number. Those were determined via ballistic calculations, but should be on minute of scumbag.


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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,776 Senior Member
    Yeah, I have two 1-4x scopes now, and am completely sold on the idea. One is a Primary Arms and the other is a Millet DMS. With the millet on my long range AR, I was able to reliably ring steel at 400 yards.

    I like the look of that Vortex. If I need another, that one will probably be on the list
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 26,467 Senior Member
    Unfortunately, that Vortex has been discontinued according to their site.
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,906 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Unfortunately, that Vortex has been discontinued according to their site.


    They've "revamped" (IE increased the price on) their Viper PST line and the new one is a 1-6.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    Optics Planet has the 1-4...for $449
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,009 Senior Member
    2 of my primary big game rifles wear low power scopes, the M-70 .358 has an old Bushnell 1.5-4.5x 20 and the 03-A3 .30-06 has a Weatherby Premier 4x40, both scopes are over 40 years old and are still bright and clear. Since i dont think i have ever shot big game at over 250 - 300 yards I have never seen the need to go bigger. The last rifle i just finished is a small ring 98, 7x57AI has a Burris 1.5-6 . When i get around to stocking the M-70 .280 AI it will either get a Bushnell 1.75-5 x20 or a Redfield 3-9x 40.

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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,563 Senior Member
    They've "revamped" (IE increased the price on) their Viper PST line and the new one is a 1-6.


    Ah gotcha


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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Bushnell... $209.00 Lifetime guarantee 30mm tube

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    https://www.natchezss.com/bushnell-ar-optics-1-4x24-r-s-ffp-iii-bdc.html
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,563 Senior Member
    They've "revamped" (IE increased the price on) their Viper PST line and the new one is a 1-6.


    Holy crap the MSRP almost doubled. It's not even FFP and the objective and ocular lenses are the same size.

    So $400 more for 6x instead of 4x?


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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,906 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    Holy crap the MSRP almost doubled. It's not even FFP and the objective and ocular lenses are the same size.

    So $400 more for 6x instead of 4x?


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    Vortex lost me when they brought out the PST II line. There's no way the "improvements" justify the price increase. I was going to buy a PST 6-24, but the 5-25 is $500 more. No thanks. At that price point I'll buy a Burris XTR II.
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,448 Senior Member
    I had a Leatherwood CMR for awhile. I remember that to look with both eyes open, it was closer to 1.5x where they looked the same
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  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    The looks and reticle on that Vortex are nice, could sway me from Leupold.
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