62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 20,564 Senior Member
So, a certain Californian requested that I try out some .224cal Barnes bullets in my pig killing escapades. Seeing as he lives in a stupid state that is about to go all lead free bullets...........I told him.......Hell no!!! Well, actually, he asked if I'd be willing to work up some handloads with some Barnes bullets and I said no to that. I had no interest in working up loads for a bullet I wasn't interested in. BUT...........I'd be willing to test some ammo with whatever bullet he wanted.

So, a box of Barnes 62gr TSX showed up at my door last week compliments of Midway and some California dude.

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Saturday morning, I sighted in my recently rebarreled AR-15 with the new ammo. It shot alright. Not very impressed with the accuracy, but it clocked 3,157 fps.

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But, trying to sight in, get an acceptable group, and conserve ammo for hunting still took up 8 rounds of my 20 available. 12 left to shoot pigs with.

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So, a buddy and I went out Saturday night to a new field shown to me Saturday afternoon. When we arrived and parked at the farm house, I looked out in the field in the moonlight and saw a band of hogs about 350 yards out. Gathered our gear and it was game on.

Sneaking up to about 100 yards. We proned out and aimed in. I told him I'd take the biggest boar in the bunch and he could shoot any of the sows he had a shot at. When the boar turned broadside and slightly quartering away, I let fly with the little bullet into the hulk of a pig. The bullet hit with a thump and my buddy sent a round after a sow. Don't know if he hit or not, but, the boar I shot took off across the field in a death run that covered approximately 75-85 yards. Digging his nose into the dirt like a snow plow.......he finally flipped end over end on a shower of soil. Done!

I quickly sent a couple rounds after the scattering herd. No impacts. Then, they made it to the edge of the field and into the tall grass. I ran to the edge and found a sow standing still trying to regroup the piglets. Dropped her with a spine shot. Looked to my right and saw another trotting away through the grass. Put a Barnes through her guts quartering away and she stopped. My buddy then sent a round through her shoulder and dropped her.

All was still.

We gathered up the two sows for a pic.

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Then loaded mine on the Mule and headed over to the boar.

Good Lord!!!! He was much bigger than I thought. We almost needed a bigger boat!

With my friends help, we loaded him into the Mule and then drove over to my truck. Loaded one of the sows and the boar into the truck and took off in the Mule to check out another part of the field. Finally locating another boar, we dismounted and stalked to within 75 yards. I let my buddy have the honors and he promptly missed a broadside shot. Heading for less hostile pastures......the boar split with lead flying his way and up his backside. Making it to the property line and out of our lives. I looked at my buddy and shook my head. Well..........it's raining..........let's go home.

Dropped my buddy off at his house and went to my rancher friend's barn to use his hoist and boom to unload the beast. Lowered him on my game cart and wheeled him over to a bush to take pics. He weren't small.

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The blood on him is from the sow he road with in the bed of my truck. That is the off side you are seeing. There was none of his blood on his off side.

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The bullet broke one rib on entrance and passed behind and below the thick shield on his shoulder.

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Passed through the back of his heart angling forward.

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It canoed the heart!

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And exited the front lobe of the off side lung.

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Passing through the off side shoulder.

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It lodged in the meat, under the hide of the off side.

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The recovered bullet weighed 61.6gr of it's original listed 62 grains.
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    Folks, I am not a Barnes fan. But, if that ain't a true testament of a bullets capability............I don't know a better way of testing.T

    That diminutive pill smoked a rather large boar, traveled from one side to the other, breaking a rib, splitting the heart, puncturing the lungs, bisecting a lot of meat, expanded picture perfectly, and retained practically all of it's weight.

    That'll do, pig. That'll do.

    I'm impressed.

    I'm not gonna run out and buy Barnes bullets. I don't want to pay the high price, I'm not on board with the accuracy I've seen and heard, I don't want the headaches I've read, and I flat out don't need what they offer. I get buy just fine with my cup/core and bonded bullets.

    But............if I needed penetration and weight retention for a task at hand................I now know a bullet I can reach for and have confidence in. Not bad at all.

    Of the other two pigs I shot with this bullet, the spine shot passed all the way through the sow. Shattering the spine and leaving about a 1" exit wound. The one that passed through the guts went in and out with little fanfare.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    You weigh the pig?
    I want some tusks.
    And once again here you go proving the .223 is inadequate in large game.

    No.
    I cut his snout off to boil like I've done before.
    Yep. Worthless cartridge.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    FAIL.
    That's what I desire.
    And yet, people lose deer (much lighter weight critters) to bonafide "real" cartridges.

    Story of my life.
    I'll fight ya for it.
    It ain't the size of the tool. It's how ya use it.

    Honetly, I think I could kill a Cape Buffalo with this bullet. He might run a little ways and I'd probably send a few at him. But, with a slightly quartering away shot at less than 100 yards (typical buff distance)........I think I could hit the heart.

    Does that hat mean I think it's Buffalo medicine? Nope. But, if you'd hold my beer...........I think I'd try it.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,744 Senior Member
    Looks good :up:

    I'll stick with the Nosler 64gr bonded for my .22 deer bullet. 30+ inches of penetration and near perfect expansion and weight retention.

    I've killed 1 deer with a Barnes TTSX in 6.5 grendel.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    Unfortunate lack of buff here'bouts.

    Cattle? Hmmmmmm
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    I thought the Barnes would do pretty good, but not as good at that. Nice field report and thanks California guy (I think we should give him a name for conversation's sake-- how about Littleslug? since he seems to be interested in little .22 slugs) Thanks Littleslug for contributing to science!
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,002 Senior Member
    :drool:. . .

    :drool:. . .

    :drool:. . .

    Expectations. . .EXCEEDED!

    :worthy:

    I figured we'd have a good sized dead hog or three out of this little experiment, but I wasn't expecting a week's worth of raw materials for Jimmy Dean on ONE of them. Pretty much tells me all I need to know right there.

    The accuracy. . .? Pop and I have two 700's and one Ruger Scout that are bug-holers. I would have tended to think that it's all in the seating depth because solid copper is probably going to deform differently, but the Scout shoots that theory down as it needs deeper seating to clear the front of the mags. Dunno. . .probably got to load some .22's now. Might just have to pick up a featherweight .223 for local deer now that you have shown us the way.

    Damn, Amigo. . .that's some pig!

    (BTW: Let's be clear on this "California guy" stuff: I live there; I am not OF there. :beer:)
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Dude. You can't kill your girlfriend. :shameful:

    Ha!!!

    That's exactly what he calls her!!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    :drool:. . .

    :drool:. . .

    :drool:. . .

    Expectations. . .EXCEEDED!

    :worthy:

    I figured we'd have a good sized dead hog or three out of this little experiment, but I wasn't expecting a week's worth of raw materials for Jimmy Dean on ONE of them. Pretty much tells me all I need to know right there.

    The accuracy. . .? Pop and I have two 700's and one Ruger Scout that are bug-holers. I would have tended to think that it's all in the seating depth because solid copper is probably going to deform differently, but the Scout shoots that theory down as it needs deeper seating to clear the front of the mags. Dunno. . .probably got to load some .22's now. Might just have to pick up a featherweight .223 for local deer now that you have shown us the way.

    Damn, Amigo. . .that's some pig!

    (BTW: Let's be clear on this "California guy" stuff: I live there; I am not OF there. :beer:)

    And we thank you for your contribution to science.

    While I might not be a Barnes Convert, you have succeeded in making me a curious fringer.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,592 Senior Member
    Once again, most Excellent report and shooting.
    Looks like you found some good hunting ammo for folks that do not reload.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 7,283 Senior Member
    Great hunt. Color me not surprised with the results using a Barnes bullet. I only have one rifle that uses their bullets currently (7mm-08 Savage), but their ain't no denying the performance. They're pricey, but for guy in lead-free zones, I can't think of a better option. They can be very accurate when handloaded, do plenty of damage to the vitals and little damage to the meat.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,798 Senior Member
    Most excellent report and results.

    Imagine what that would do in a 150 gr .30 caliber at 3000 fps...

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,002 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    And we thank you for your contribution to science.

    While I might not be a Barnes Convert, you have succeeded in making me a curious fringer.

    Hee! I figured you might like the result.

    Veral Smith (LBT Molds) is one of the great cast bullet authorities, and he LOVES the results the Barnes TSX family dishes out. Reading between the lines in his book, one concludes that a Barnes is essentially acting very much like a homogenous, large-meplat, heat-treated lead/antimony/tin bullet that you can drive REALLY fast. . . where the cup-and-core bullets - typically being of swaged construction - need to have a softer, more frangible/ablative core. Really nothing to separate on a Barnes.

    Welcome to the fringe!
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,002 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    Most excellent report and results.

    Imagine what that would do in a 150 gr .30 caliber at 3000 fps...

    D

    I killed my 2014 buck at 70 yards with a 168 TTSX launched at 2975 with a very similar angle to what Zedrick did on Mr. Porky here. Didn't get the heart on that one, but shall we say. . ."lung soup"? Was starting to run at the shot; made it ten yards.

    My new Scout .308 is grouping REALLY well with the 130 grain version at 3,000. October is coming. . .
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,833 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    Most excellent report and results. in

    Imagine what that would do in a 150 gr .30 caliber at 3000 fps...

    D

    Yep, in a .308 or .06 that would be a Death Ray.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,617 Senior Member
    Outstanding contribution to some ballistic science that I have a special interest in. :beer: :up:

    About the accuracy:

    My most accurate load for my 20" heavy barrel 1:8 is the 68 gr. Hornady Match, which shoots 6 rounds out of ten into a half inch at 100 yards, starting with a cold barrel bulls eye. This is over a 'book' maximum load of Varget. I load the same with a 70 grain Barnes TSX, and get similar results to the 68 gr. Hornady match - only a slight widening of the group - call it 3/4". This is simply where I stopped load development - not necessarily the best it will do. But, I use Varget for everything, because I have a lot of it, and because it pleases me enough, just to come in considerably under MOA with 70-80% of my shots, from cold barrel to warm barrel.

    Also, I have seen similarly impressive terminal performance on small deer, with 55 grain Barnes TSX. I believe the TSX to be an outstanding killer, and am delighted with your results, since I have yet to score with it.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I too am un willing to use Barnes bullets because of price and time.

    Absolutely everything I read including this thread shows remarkable terminal performance.

    It's good to know.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,768 Senior Member
    On another board i frequent, Barnes is the most popular bullet. Very accurate if you load them right. You've gotta jump them, they don't like jammed to the lands.
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,768 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    I too am un willing to use Barnes bullets because of price and time.

    Absolutely everything I read including this thread shows remarkable terminal performance.

    It's good to know.

    I've got several boxes if you want to do a little testing without committing 30$ to a box
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,768 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Yep, in a .308 or .06 that would be a Death Ray.

    No, the Death Ray, is the 130gr .308 going 3300-3800 fps! I tried the factory loads in the 300 Wby when i couldn't reload. Gotta be easy on the shots though, 3 shot string and that barrel was HOT
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,833 Senior Member
    Hmmm I need to check these out. My Stevens Model 200 shoots the Hornady 68 grain match bullets well, in fact the only bullet groups decently in it. Yeah they're pricey but if they work, in my opinion well worth the cost.

    I was thinking of re-barreling this rifle with a Shilen match in more of a bull contour, but if I can get enough loads that will shoot in it, I'll just keep the stock barrel and try to wear it out before changing it.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,768 Senior Member
    I've got their book if you need data
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    I've got their book if you need data

    I have some .338 cal Barnes bullets that were given to me. I may need to load them up and play around. Might hit you up for data.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,592 Senior Member
    Is this the same bullet that Remington loads in their Hog Hammer ammo?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    Don't know.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,833 Senior Member
    No, the Death Ray, is the 130gr .308 going 3300-3800 fps! I tried the factory loads in the 300 Wby when i couldn't reload. Gotta be easy on the shots though, 3 shot string and that barrel was HOT

    Hot is an understatement. You shoot 5 rounds in a minute and you can BBQ a 20 pound brisket on that barrel.

    Of course it doesn't help matters that it's a 26 inch tooth pick. But if you get that bear zeroed in good and you can shoot it even 3 shots inside an inch you can kill about anything with it out to 400-500 yards, no problem. The .30-.378 is hotter but it's a real flinch maker. My .300 Mk V with a brake will shoot like a 308 and is sweet to shoot. My grand son has killed deer with it. He killed his first deer with my .30-06, but won't touch it now since he killed one with the .300. He calls it the Cannon! It's a great gun, but it is a real pain to get sighted in because it gets hot so fast.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,082 Senior Member
    This is a quite interesting thread. Might make me want to pick up some of these bullets for my "hunting" AR...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Hondo341Hondo341 Member Posts: 448 Member
    Zee,
    You da man!!! Your write-ups are excellent.

    We should rename you Zeeter Skelton.
    "People are responsible to play a role in their own safety." Sheriff David Clarke 2016
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    This is a quite interesting thread. Might make me want to pick up some of these bullets for my "hunting" AR...

    Mat approximately $60 for 100 bullets........ouch!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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