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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Swampland, FLAPosts: 5,100 Senior Member
    Not saying you should use one, I wouldn't, just a statement of fact, as I said earlier I'd use a .358 for blacks, for grizz my preference is a .340 Weatherby.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Miami, FL almost in the USA ;)Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Closer than 100 yards, 45-70 full load with a premium 350 gr bullet. I bought it with the intention of having it for large game, but I have not used it. A maximum lever gun load is about 2200 FPS and over 3500 FPE with a maximum point blank zero of about 200 yards.

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    Not saying you should use one, I wouldn't, just a statement of fact, as I said earlier I'd use a .358 for blacks, for grizz my preference is a .340 Weatherby.

    JAY

    That's more my style Jay. Both of those throw enough metal out of the business end to give Yogi a REALLY bad day.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,750 Senior Member
    Never hunted bears and don't intend to, but I've read that a .30-30 at black bear range will do the job.

    As for Inuits using small-bore ammo, this is what I read a long time ago. They had access to Air Force bases, and the AF bases had .22 Hornets in their survival kits. Since the Inuits were mostly interested in shooting seals, etc, they wanted the smaller rounds so they didn't destroy meat. They occasionally used these guns to kill larger bears, including polar bears, but they were more or less, back then, One Gun Charlies.

    I saw a episode of "Survivor Man" where the star (Les?) was lost in the Arctic and starving and ran into an Inuit on a dog sled. The native shot a seal with I believe a .223 Savage for food. I also believe in the same episode, Les had seen brown bears, which the native was I'm sure was aware of, yet he toted a 223.

    I also read somewhere recently that an Inuit came to a trading post with a huge bear. He'd killed it with a .243. Them Inuits don't play!
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • Cheetoh734Cheetoh734 Senior Member Seattle, WaPosts: 714 Senior Member
    In a tree: 45-70.

    Spot and stalk: 7mm Rem Mag.

    Bears get fat up here. ~300lbs.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Never hunted bears and don't intend to, but I've read that a .30-30 at black bear range will do the job.

    As for Inuits using small-bore ammo, this is what I read a long time ago. They had access to Air Force bases, and the AF bases had .22 Hornets in their survival kits. Since the Inuits were mostly interested in shooting seals, etc, they wanted the smaller rounds so they didn't destroy meat. They occasionally used these guns to kill larger bears, including polar bears, but they were more or less, back then, One Gun Charlies.

    I saw a episode of "Survivor Man" where the star (Les?) was lost in the Arctic and starving and ran into an Inuit on a dog sled. The native shot a seal with I believe a .223 Savage for food. I also believe in the same episode, Les had seen brown bears, which the native was I'm sure was aware of, yet he toted a 223.

    I also read somewhere recently that an Inuit came to a trading post with a huge bear. He'd killed it with a .243. Them Inuits don't play!

    Yeah, they do with what they have, but I've also read where once in a while an Inuit goes missing too.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,750 Senior Member
    You've got to arm yourself for what likely will happen, not what could happen however unlikely. You've got to eat and not necessarily to defend yourself against a bear. I would think it is perfectly acceptable for an Inuit armed with a .223 to decline battle with a bear and mush away quickly.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Yeah, they do with what they have, but I've also read where once in a while an Inuit goes missing too.

    Got some people missing here in Charlotte. Must be bears.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Got some people missing here in Charlotte. Must be bears.

    Tuba you might want to rethink your opinion on the air waves here...People might get the wrong Idea.

    :silly:.....:roll:.....:nono:

    Might be a little bit of difference in Charlotte and out on the frozen tundra. Difference in threats.
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  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Tuba you really ought to quit displaying your genius on the air waves here...

    :silly:.....:roll:.....:nono:

    Might be a little bit of difference in Charlotte and out on the frozen tundra. Difference in threats.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    My genius is for the masses.

    I removed and replaced genius because I think it's inappropriate on this forum. But if you want to insult me do a little thinking first.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,583 Senior Member
    I'm way late here. I'll preface this comment with admitting I've never bear hunted.

    When I think of hunting for bear I'm provoked into thinking about using old world cartridges like 45-70 and 348 Winchester.


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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Byron Center MichiganPosts: 373 Member
    Well one of my uncles took both his bears with a 30-06 with a 180 grain pointed soft point.
    First bear took three shots of which the only found one entry wound the other two good placed shots.
    But for me, .458 at 410 grain hard cast.
    makes the shot from my rifle near 1600 fps at barrel so out to 50 yards just a slow sucker and one to punch in some and do some damage.
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  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    I removed and replaced genius because I think it's inappropriate on this forum. But if you want to insult me do a little thinking first.

    Not insulting snake justapickin.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,060 Senior Member
    Well, seeing as none of the benches I have available to me afford that upright position without stacking a bunch of crap, I shot it standing supported. I too read that article.

    I dont have a standing "bench" either. So, I shot off the hood of my truck to sight in. I could stand upright. I had support from a front bag and elbow support from the front fender. It didn't beat the snot out of me then.
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Thornton COPosts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I saw a guy at the range put a sand bag between his shoulder and the rifle butt once. Im somewhat sceptical of how effective that would be with recoil that has the power to cause severe injury.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Swampland, FLAPosts: 5,100 Senior Member
    Sighting in big bore rifles hurts, I think I have an advantage since I only weigh 150lbs, i tend to roll with the punch better than you heavier guys, the one that I think hurt me the worst was the .378 Wea. mag in a 9 lb rifle.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    I have an Oberndorf .318 Mannlicher Mauser that will kick you down and stomp on your shoulder. I don't shoot it because of that. It's the one that I had up at Jerry's a couple of years ago. Beautiful piece, but pure murder to shoot!
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Rich, have you tried any of those cast bullet loads yet? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, compared to those jacketed loads.
    Jerry
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    No, Jerry, I've not tried them, but I'll bring everything up to your place next month and we'll see! Also plan to bring up a couple of flintlocks with all that I need and set everything up for those who want to try a flintlock to do it.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    I have an Oberndorf .318 Mannlicher Mauser that will kick you down and stomp on your shoulder. I don't shoot it because of that. It's the one that I had up at Jerry's a couple of years ago. Beautiful piece, but pure murder to shoot!

    Metal butt?
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    Either Jerry or maybe Alec have photos....I'm too "electronically challenged" to figure out how to make and post photos, and as simple as it sounds, I just can't remember how to do it.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    How tall of a step ladder did you use to get high enough to see over the truck?

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    Compact model
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,060 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    How tall of a step ladder did you use to get high enough to see over the truck?

    I was standing on top of the tire.
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member A true 'Southerner'. NZPosts: 8,401 Senior Member
    Either Jerry or maybe Alec have photos....I'm too "electronically challenged" to figure out how to make and post photos, and as simple as it sounds, I just can't remember how to do it.

    Found a couple Rich...........Took me a while to find them.

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    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member A true 'Southerner'. NZPosts: 8,401 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I used some foam and purple duct tape on it when we were sighting it in. Seriously. A fine custom rifle, and I duct taped it. There's pics somewhere...

    Yep...............A fine example of a gunsmiths custom rifle and you had to go full **** redneck on it............
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Denver, COPosts: 4,996 Senior Member
    Oh that is lovely
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Yep...............A fine example of a gunsmiths custom rifle and you had to go full **** redneck on it............

    Feed him his Wheaties, give him his books and send him to school, and what does he do but eat the covers off of em!!!

    Whatcha gonna do with that?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Thornton COPosts: 4,950 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Found a couple Rich...........Took me a while to find them.

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    SE201320247_zpsteaoqnhz.jpg

    Needs a pad between the rifle and his shoulder. Won't help the cheek smack if there is one, but sure would help at the bench.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    Yes, I'll bring it back up with the ammo that Teach et al loaded for it, and you're welcome to play around with it as much as you want! It's a GI Bring Back by a GI named "Merchant" from Boston, Mass., but I don't have papers to prove it. It came to me from my close friend David Dodds (Jerry knew him) who died from complications of Agent Orange several years ago. Dave got it from Merchant's son, whom Dave was good friends with.

    I also have another GI Bring Back, a little 16ga double hammergun made by J.P.Sauer und Sohn, and David fell totally in love with this little piece. I gave it to Dave to keep and use for almost 3 years...he loved it so much! He and I agreed that the two pieces belonged together, and we had an agreement that whoever died first would will what we had with these two pieces to the other to keep them together. Sadly, Agent Orange killed David in less than 3 months from on-set of the first AO caused cancer symptoms. I helped Dave inventory and put a price what he had in his flintlock armory, and he gave me the Mannlicher Mauser along with a couple other pieces about a week before he died.

    I'll bring the little Sauer SXS up also. Jerry has some photos of this one too. I could find out absolutely nothing about the Sauer SXS based on the serial number, so I contacted a German Naval Officer that I had done a special project with back about 1988, and turned it over to him to help me get info. He lives less than 40 miles from the Sauer facilities in Eichenfjord, Germany, so he took the photos that I had sent to him over to the Company who called their old retired historian (he was in his 90's at the time) who looked over the photos. Here is what he conveyed to me, and I have this in my files:

    The SXS is one of 25 made by Sauer in 1893-95. It was patented in 1886, and is one of the first Sauers to have the special Kruppstahl barrel material that ended up being the "Nickel Steel" used by Winchester (also Springfield '03s). These 25 were retained by Sauer to be given away as gifts for political/business favors, and 18 had been given away by January 1945 when the Sauer Factory was overrun by elements of Patton's Third Army Corps of Engineers. (The Historian talks like he was there at the time, but I don't know for sure). Anyhow, the COE Colonel in command had all military weapons seized, but threw the civilian side of the Armory open and told the GI's to take a souvenier if they wanted one. According to the Historian there were 7 (he thought) of the special SXS's in the civilian side, and this is where my little piece came from! It was brought home by a local GI, but I have no idea who he was. (Sauer's records back to about 1757 were all burned to prevent falling into Soviet hands, and that's why my serial number search was fruitless).

    Now we all know that Hermann Goering had a couple thousand arms in his personal collection, and that this collection fell under control of U.S. Army Troops at Wars' End. Today there are 3-4 million GI Bring Backs floating around the USA that came "directly from Goering's personal armory" :wink:! I don't have one, but I've got something even better! The dainty, "girlish" little 16ga SXS I have was EDDA GOERING'S personal little piece, given to her by Sauer! Edda and I are only 20 days apart in age, but we've not had contact in some years now. Edda moved down to South Africa about the time I retired out of active work with the Navy :tooth: Give me 2-3 drinks of good Jack Daniel's, and I can tell you all about this!
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