Jimmy Johns Robbery

NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior MemberPosts: 4,324 Senior Member
https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/10155692484723812/

Watch the video but be prepared to be screaming at your screen ...

I could see it ending real bad for the robber if "the right person" had been behind the counter.

Damn we need the face palm emoji!
“The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
- George Orwell
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,708 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Grab gun, tap, rack, dead thug.

    That thug was a pretty big dude, even with the gun not in battery, he could have probably beat the crap out of the employee and the one member here that may have been able to snatch the gun from the thug is no longer with us.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,321 Senior Member
    The robber was identified and later arrested. The clerk doesn't get paid enough to risk his life for what little money is in the register.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    cpj wrote: »
    Grab gun, tap, rack, dead thug.

    You now shot an unarmed man. I hope you like dancing for a large guy named bubba...

    There is truth in that observation ... draw your own gun and while the idiot is wondering why his won't go bang ... fire and never say you knew his gun had a failure to feed properly.

    Also grabbing and struggling for his gun might just actuate the slide enough to clear the jam (maybe???) and you'd could be looking at the wrong end. Again concealed means concealed until needed and then the idiot sees it 1.5 seconds before he goes "Oh crap!"
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    To avoid liability, corporations have a employee policy of not resisting.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,321 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    You now shot an unarmed man. I hope you like dancing for a large guy named bubba...

    "In a struggle for the gun, the bad guy is shot."
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 6,085 Senior Member
    That employee was so nonchalant, might not have been his first rodeo.
    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.  ~ James Madison
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    A shorty 12 gauge under the counter would be the obvious answer- - - -let the scumbag keep his short range club while the counter guy backs up a couple of steps and gives him a new belly button!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,321 Senior Member
    I would have done exactly what the clerk did. Never draw against the drop unless you're certain the next step is getting killed. You're not that fast. However, to see if you ARE that fast, tonight stand at your bedroom doorway and turn out the lights. If you can be in bed before the room gets dark, you MAY be fast enough to beat someone who has the drop on you.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Even when the idiot's gun is out of battery with a stovepipe? I could probably beat him to the draw with a flintlock pistol in that situation. Maybe you need a glass belly button.
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,321 Senior Member
    I'm not sure the clerk knows what out of battery means.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 1,836 Senior Member
    That employee was so nonchalant, might not have been his first rodeo.

    That's what I was thinking
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,212 Senior Member
    john9001 wrote: »
    To avoid liability, corporations have a employee policy of not resisting.

    Yep...I've heard "Compliance, not confrontation" from so-called "experts" so oftenit makes me want to puke...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,930 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/10155692484723812/

    Watch the video but be prepared to be screaming at your screen ...

    I could see it ending real bad for the robber if "the right person" had been behind the counter.

    Damn we need the face palm emoji!

    No, we needed the cashier to Face Palm the scumbag with his FIST!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    That employee was so nonchalant, might have been one of his buddies holding the gun.

    Fixed it!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 6,085 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Fixed it!
    Jerry

    Had to be some reason he was so calm...even if he recognized that it was out of battery.
    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.  ~ James Madison
  • Great OutdoorsGreat Outdoors Member Posts: 230 Member
    GEEZ- 2 dummies meet for lunch-and both survived
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,321 Senior Member
    Well, yes, if you assassinated him, but I'm assuming there would be a struggle once you reached for the gun. If you took the gun away from him and he raised his hands and attempted to flee, sure, but in the heat of the moment, I don't see that happening.

    We each have scenarios in our minds. My scenario is you snatch the gun and shoot the guy immediately. In the heat of the moment; one continuous action without time to question all those fine details that will get you killed by overthinking the situation.

    I saw a thing on Facebook where some liberal website said killing someone in self-defense denied the attacker the right to a fair trial. I'm sure it wasn't serious, but it could be...Salon, Vox, or whatever.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,351 Senior Member
    The $200 in that cash register wasn't worth rasslin or getting punched in the nose by some dude with finger up his ass, let alone a moron with a gun out of battery. The victim is some kid working a crappy sub shop job. He did the right thing-- give him the damn money and get him the hell out!
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,503 Senior Member
    "Jimmy Johns... A cash drawer to the face so fast you'll freak! "

    He did the right thing, which was to resist doing whatever it was he was obviously thinking, judging by the look on his face. The dirtbag picked up on it too, which is why he went from hiding the gun to putting it right in the dude's face and hollering. His actions may have been calm, but that dude was pissed enough to do something stupid. Good for him he was also smart enough to think twice.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    Biggest problem is now days robbers shoot anyway. No witness or just violent thugs. You can't predict, I say the clerk was lucky to not be shot even for following directions. Somebody pulls a gun on me I may die but my right thump will be found in the gun mans' left eye socket. :angry: Later,
    Fat Billy

    Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,321 Senior Member
    In 30+ years of LE, I've never, ever seen a clerk who shot a would-be robber prosecuted. Unless the pumps a couple of rounds into the body and makes a statement about it, gloating. If anyone has, I'd like a reference.

    The thing from Salon about denying one's right to a fair trial by killing in self defense is obviously a troll for the paranoid. My suggestion is to not let your paranoia be trolled like that. It makes one sound un-wise. It's not law, has never been law, and will never be law.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • DanoobieDanoobie Member Posts: 95 Member
    The kid behind the counter looks like he's in high school. And it looks like he's
    done this before. Kind of sad to think not only of being robbed for chump change,
    but repeatedly? The kid very possibly had no idea the gun was jammed, but the
    robber appears to be some special kind of stupid. Why would he allow his gun to
    jam at the worst time?

    From a parents perspective, I'd rather hear from my son that he's been robbed
    again, than hear from the police that he was killed in a struggle for a gun during
    a holdup.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,503 Senior Member
    Danoobie wrote: »
    The kid behind the counter looks like he's in high school. And it looks like he's
    done this before. Kind of sad to think not only of being robbed for chump change,
    but repeatedly? The kid very possibly had no idea the gun was jammed, but the
    robber appears to be some special kind of stupid. Why would he allow his gun to
    jam at the worst time?

    From a parents perspective, I'd rather hear from my son that he's been robbed
    again, than hear from the police that he was killed in a struggle for a gun during
    a holdup.


    Maybe this wasn't his first rodeo, but if the hiring/training process for JJ's is like the rest, they will - in no uncertain terms - let you know that you are not to resist a robber. At all. Ever. Not even a little. The little bit of money the dirtbag gets or of the register is a miniscule fraction of what the company will be paying out after an innocent bystander is shot.

    Without asking the dude behind the register, we'll never know the reason for the look on his face. It could be frustration at being hamstrung by policy, it could be anger at being threatened, it could even be fury at having someone 'dis' him that way.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Five students at the high school where I taught were killed in two different robberies, one at a McDonald's and another at a fish place, all by the same piece of human trash. He had served prison time for armed robbery previously and decided to leave no witnesses this time around. A couple of weeks later he did it a third time 40 miles away, kidnapping and killing two young girls at an ice cream store. I believe he's still on death row at Riverbend prison in Nashville.

    I stopped doing business with McDonald's about a year after the killings when a janitor in Austin Texas broke up a robbery by shooting two guys and got fired for his heroism.
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • DanoobieDanoobie Member Posts: 95 Member
    I stopped doing business with McDonalds when I found out how much
    saturated fat is in their food. Folks who CC because they want to live
    longer should also turn a weather eye to their dietary intake. Your gun
    can't save you from your own eating habits.

    Deep fried foods, and diet related cardio ailments kill many times more people than
    bad guys do.

    Saturated fat: The REAL "public enemy #1"...
  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,712 Senior Member
    Danoobie wrote: »
    I stopped doing business with McDonalds when I found out how much
    saturated fat is in their food. Folks who CC because they want to live
    longer should also turn a weather eye to their dietary intake. Your gun
    can't save you from your own eating habits.

    Deep fried foods, and diet related cardio ailments kill many times more people than
    bad guys do.

    Saturated fat: The REAL "public enemy #1"...
    Wow

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,212 Senior Member
    Danoobie wrote: »
    I stopped doing business with McDonalds when I found out how much
    saturated fat is in their food. Folks who CC because they want to live
    longer should also turn a weather eye to their dietary intake. Your gun
    can't save you from your own eating habits.

    Deep fried foods, and diet related cardio ailments kill many times more people than
    bad guys do.

    Saturated fat: The REAL "public enemy #1"...

    What, exactly, are you babbling about?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    So are eggs good for us this month?
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,708 Senior Member
    So are eggs good for us this month?

    Only if taken in suppository form. Bon appetit.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    What, exactly, are you babbling about?

    He's not sure- - - - -he just likes to hear the sound of his own voice, or in this case, reading the drivel his keyboard spews.
    :roll:
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
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