Tempers-flare-over-removal-of-confederate-statues-in-New-Orleans

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,834 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    Our local news showed them removing one of the statues of Jefferson Davis this morning and the work crews hid their faces and were wearing flak vests. They already removed the obelisk monument dedicated to the Battle of Liberty Place and they have two more to go. One of General Robert E Lee and an equestrian statue of PGT Beauregard.

    If they want to they can bring ol' Jeff Davis's statue over here to my front yard and I will proudly display it and they won't have to hide their faces from the camera, not because I was a fan of slavery, but because I'm a son of the South and will gladly drink a few (Coffee's now) in honor of my Southern Heritage.
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,585 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    How about if we make a fair trade? For every Confederate memorial that's removed, how about renaming something like a street, a building, or something similar honoring a philandering rabble-rouser who traveled around the country with a harem of nubile young groupies, stirring up racial tensions in the 1960's.
    :uhm:
    Jerry
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,506 Senior Member
    ON the news this afternoon, city of Orlando is proposes moving a confederate statue, from Lake Eola Park to Greenwood cemetery that has a confederate solders section.

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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,585 Senior Member
    Goodbye General Beauregard. He was removed last night. Of course when General Lee is gone the ignorant idiots will insist all other similar statues be removed, display of flags that offend them be made a felony, and all Confederate soldiers dug up and removed from our national cemeteries. After that they will think of more. Count on it.
  • casinoroyalecasinoroyale Member Posts: 68 Member
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,972 Senior Member
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.

    :popcorn:
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    Closing the hunting season on at least a few damyankees in 1865 was a big mistake. They managed to breed somehow, despite their ugliness and stupidity, and look at the result!
    :angry:
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,619 Senior Member
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.

    Wow, just wow. You're a special kind of person.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,164 Senior Member
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.

    And if the Union did punish Confederate leaders, for what crime? Secession was not a crime at the time; revolution is how the US was founded. The CSA resigned from the Union legally.

    Punishing Confederate leaders would have led to the war going on for another decade, at least.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    Far worse, and longer-lasting damage was done during "reconstruction" than while the bullets were flying. It took WW II to bring a halt to some, but not all of the atrocities the carpetbaggers committed.
    Jerry
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,834 Senior Member
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.

    Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and my opinion of you I cannot repeat here. You just slapped me and my ancestors in the face.
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  • GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior Member Posts: 1,083 Senior Member
    At least Alabama has taken steps to keep this foolishness from occurring in their state.

    http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/alabama-legislature-passes-bill-protect-historical-monuments-jal/
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,267 Senior Member
    And yet there was a story on the news last night about some people wanting to remove a confederate statue from the Madison county AL courthouse.
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,585 Senior Member
    GunnerK19 wrote: »
    At least Alabama has taken steps to keep this foolishness from occurring in their state.

    http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/alabama-legislature-passes-bill-protect-historical-monuments-jal/
    One of the 4 comments in the article reminded me of something I have often observed. Comment: "Alabama is anything but sweet...it's divided." Yes. Some parts of it are divided. So are very many other places in the U.S.. Even though segregation has been outlawed for decades people of races, ethnicities, and cultures other than white in some places tend to segregate themselves. There are also places where everyone is well integrated. I often wonder why.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,267 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    One of the 4 comments in the article reminded me of something I have often observed. Comment: "Alabama is anything but sweet...it's divided." Yes. Some parts of it are divided. So are very many other places in the U.S.. Even though segregation has been outlawed for decades people of races, ethnicities, and cultures other than white in some places tend to segregate themselves. There are also places where everyone is well integrated. I often wonder why.

    I would say economics as much as anything. There is also a racial element but more affluent blacks don't usually live in the hood.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,669 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    I would say economics as much as anything. There is also a racial element but more affluent blacks don't usually live in the hood.
    That is an aspect to it, but believe it or not there is such a thing as a black neighborhood that isn't a ghetto. Lots of them around DC, but then many white people seem to automatically assume they're ghettos because lots of black people live there, even though the average income is often middle class or above. People do tend to self segregate to a degree though and not just race, but religion, age, and political beliefs are other ways people self segregate. People just tend to like to be around people like them.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,972 Senior Member
    In the city where we used to live when I retired there are several areas that could be described as ghettos.... reminiscent of third world crap holes and there is no racial distinction. As many whites living there as blacks..the factor that the occupants have in common is low income (outside of the welfare system) and high crime...seems as if the assorted dirt bags, scrotes, scammers, petty thieves, etc,etc,etc just sorta flock together and turn once nice neighborhoods into urban cesspools...
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,267 Senior Member
    Did i say ghetto? Didn't think I did. Nope didn't say it at all but thank you for telling me what I meant and think. I would bet your Lilly white ass has never lived anywhere near a "black neighborhood". Middle class or otherwise.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    Some of the most "ghetto" kids I tried to teach were white, mostly on the bottom rung of the socio-economic scale, with either single mothers on the crack pipe, or with live-in boyfriends who had a serious work allergy and subsisted on various quasi-legal means of making enough money for their daily 12-pack and whatever brand of cheap cigarettes the local quick mart could supply. Most of the better students referred to them as "wiggers". ""Wannabe N - - - - -". You get the picture!
    Jerry
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  • 6EQUJ5 - WOW!6EQUJ5 - WOW! Banned Posts: 482 Member
    This thread reminds me of something I came across recently -

    "It's an old federal textbook - we've replaced them with the 'corrected' versions. . . explaining how the Apollo missions were faked to bankrupt the Soviet Union. . . we need to teach our children about this planet, not tales of leaving it."
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,585 Senior Member
    And it goes from bad to worse and worse... President Trump's statement against hate which comes from many sides is true. There is the total hate of conservatives by liberal socialists. I still have many near lifetime Democrat friends who do not automatically hate Republicans and near lifetime Republican friends who do not automatically hate Democrats. It seems to be getting as ugly as 1861.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,839 Senior Member
    I find it interesting it is OK to interfere with a permitted assembly to exercise their 1st Amendment rights and then agitate the folks to violence and nobody is interested in the hows and whys of the counter-protesters. I have no interest in either group, I don't like what either represents, the only time I hear about either is when they are behaving very badly. First Amendment rights only apply if you speak correctly apparently.
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I wouldn't confuse media rhetoric with public opinion. The news media is corporate owned. Those interests didn't want Trump and took serious offense at his anti media narrative. The spin is intentionally directed hither to. I'm not a fan of either side of that fight, but my thought can not be purchased, or directed by the video slime box.

    Let these communities and municipalities direct their own affairs according with democratic process and leave the moral high ground vacant for more worthy people than the POTUS and the news media.
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  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    Is removing historic statues the same as burning books?

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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,656 Senior Member
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,116 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    permitted assembly to exercise their 1st Amendment rights
    "Permitted assembly"? So all they need to start a riot is a permit now? 1A is about the right to peaceably assemble and speak your mind. When their intent is to incite a riot-- think back to our "flag burning" discussion-- while the government has no right to infringe on that right, it may not stop a private citizen from kicking your ass.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    It seems the group that did not have a permit are the ones that started the media show (riot).
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    Got a question- - - - -the woman who was killed in Charlottesville- - - - -was she a local resident, or one of the agitators who were bused in by the hundreds to ambush the skinheads? All I can find online is a chorus of praises that make her sound like Mother Teresa reincarnated.
    Jerry
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    One thing that hasn't been addressed about the purpose of some of those monuments being removed. On the Civil War battlefields the losing side in that battle had to leave their dead and wounded on the field, for the most part. The dead of the losing side were generally buried in mass graves, while the other side took pains to identify their dead and put up markers identifying them. As a general rule, bodies weren't sent home for burial.

    Some of those monuments being taken down also list the names of those that were buried in those mass graves, and those memorials in the towns are and were a means for the families to have a central point to grieve for their war dead. Removing these memorials is no different than removing headstones from a cemetery because that is basically what they represent; the headstone for what represents a mass grave. Speaking of which, in a graveyard in California, they are removing just such a memorial plaque listing the names of Confederate dead from California.

    After the war, Jefferson Davis was held for some time in prison while the Congress wrestled with the idea of trying him for treason. They did not do so, because no treason was committed; the Congressional record for that time made it clear that secession was not illegal. Nor was any Confederate flag officer tried for treason for the same reason. As a point to that, during the War of 1812 and the Louisiana Purchase, at both times several Northern states threatened secession because they didn't agree with the war, or the Louisiana Purchase. That is historical fact.

    Some people in Memphis, TN were caught trying to dig up the grave of Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife this week. That is how sick some of these protesters have become.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,116 Senior Member
    john9001 wrote: »
    It seems the group that did not have a permit are the ones that started the media show (riot).
    Nobody needs a "permit" to exercise their 1A rights.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    By even showing up, these people wanted to incite a riot with their rhetoric. Inciting a riot is not Constitutionally protected speech.
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