Tempers-flare-over-removal-of-confederate-statues-in-New-Orleans

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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Got a question- - - - -the woman who was killed in Charlottesville- - - - -was she a local resident, or one of the agitators who were bused in by the hundreds to ambush the skinheads? All I can find online is a chorus of praises that make her sound like Mother Teresa reincarnated.
    Jerry
    I do know that the terrorist that killed her (let us face it folks-- someone driving into a crowd of people they hate in order to injure and kill them is terrorism) was from Ohio. I also know that there were 2 more Nazi's arrested-- one from Kentucky and another from Florida. the Left aren't the only people bussing in their useful idiots.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Tennmike's post is exactly the type common sense information that's getting lost because of this fiasco of infotainment quagmire.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    One thing that hasn't been addressed about the purpose of some of those monuments being removed. On the Civil War battlefields the losing side in that battle had to leave their dead and wounded on the field, for the most part. The dead of the losing side were generally buried in mass graves, while the other side took pains to identify their dead and put up markers identifying them. As a general rule, bodies weren't sent home for burial.

    Some of those monuments being taken down also list the names of those that were buried in those mass graves, and those memorials in the towns are and were a means for the families to have a central point to grieve for their war dead. Removing these memorials is no different than removing headstones from a cemetery because that is basically what they represent; the headstone for what represents a mass grave. Speaking of which, in a graveyard in California, they are removing just such a memorial plaque listing the names of Confederate dead from California.

    After the war, Jefferson Davis was held for some time in prison while the Congress wrestled with the idea of trying him for treason. They did not do so, because no treason was committed; the Congressional record for that time made it clear that secession was not illegal. Nor was any Confederate flag officer tried for treason for the same reason. As a point to that, during the War of 1812 and the Louisiana Purchase, at both times several Northern states threatened secession because they didn't agree with the war, or the Louisiana Purchase. That is historical fact.

    Some people in Memphis, TN were caught trying to dig up the grave of Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife this week. That is how sick some of these protesters have become.
    That does suck to this whole situation. It seems that Neo-Nazi's have taken over the headlines for this whole thing which is such a shame. They completely turned something that should be a positive as a really really bad negative.

    Anyone that is trying to preserve their history should strongly condemn those that are doing this to your past.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Nobody needs a "permit" to exercise their 1A rights.

    A permit is needed to hold a rally, city ordinance.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    And if the purpose of the rally was to incite a riot? The counter-protesters were not holding a rally... by the way.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,839 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    "Permitted assembly"? So all they need to start a riot is a permit now? 1A is about the right to peaceably assemble and speak your mind. When their intent is to incite a riot-- think back to our "flag burning" discussion-- while the government has no right to infringe on that right, it may not stop a private citizen from kicking your ass.

    Correct, but the folks with the permit would have just showed up and blabbed their usual nonsense and then gone home, the other folks showed up and poured gas on the fire. You can't yell fire in a crowded movie theatre, why those other folks were allowed to be bussed in without their permits is beyond me, government workings at their finest. I am glad nobody got their business store front demolished while the children behaved badly.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    Again... 1A does not need a permit. People act like the Nazis had some sort of moral high ground because they had a permit-- they didn't!

    Back to the flag burning thing... If I had a burn permit to torch a bunch of US flags and a bunch of other people showed up to call me a Richard or want to kick my ass... does that somehow give me the moral high ground? Me as a flag burner?

    These people hate other people simply because they exist. I can't stand them! I want to kick their ass. While I respect their 1A rights and will die to protect them, I hate their ideas and what they represent.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    So, do you love the people who attacked the skinheads after the cops closed down their rally and forced them out of the park and into the street where they were ambushed? I don't have any sympathy for either bunch, but your dummycrap buddies, including the screeching moonbats in congress and the press seem to place all the blame on one group. Is that a rational approach? Nobody has answered my question about where the woman who died lived, BTW.
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Nobody has answered my question about where the woman who died lived, BTW.
    Jerry
    Charlottesville...
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article166987992.html
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    So, do you love the people who attacked the skinheads after the cops closed down their rally and forced them out of the park and into the street where they were ambushed? I don't have any sympathy for either bunch, but your dummycrap buddies, including the screeching moonbats in congress and the press seem to place all the blame on one group.
    My "dummycrap" buddies? Why are you barfing up talking points from Neo-Nazi's and David Duke? These Nazis bussed in a bunch of useful idiots from all across the country and murdered a local gal in a terrorist attack. They were not forced out of the park by the crowd-- the city declared their permit to occupy space in the park as illegal because their motivation was to incite a riot and not a peaceful assembly. That permit was actually unlawful.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    OK- - - -at least she was not one of the paid thugs who have been causing chaos all over the country. There is a core group of mercenary anarchists who show up on cue and change their names to match the radical group of the moment- - - -Occupy wall Street- - - -Black Panthers- - - -Nation of Tslam- - - -BLM- - - -ANTIFA- - - -and whatever nest week's anarchist group is going to call themselves. They came to Charlottesville equipped with clubs, shields, and quasi-riot gear with the intention of creating a fight, and the cops aided and abetted them by forcing the skinheads into their ambush, then stood by and watched while they fought. Of course, nobody wants to listen to that part of the story. "Kill the dirty Nazis!"
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    She was originally from another town but worked in Charlottesville and I assume she also lived there. She must have gotten the day off to join the riot, I mean protest movement against the neonazi kkk whitesupremist racist traitors.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    OK- - - -at least she was not one of the paid thugs who have been causing chaos all over the country. There is a core group of mercenary anarchists who show up on cue and change their names to match the radical group of the moment- - - -Occupy wall Street- - - -Black Panthers- - - -Nation of Tslam- - - -BLM- - - -ANTIFA- - - -and whatever nest week's anarchist group is going to call themselves. They came to Charlottesville equipped with clubs, shields, and quasi-riot gear with the intention of creating a fight, and the cops aided and abetted them by forcing the skinheads into their ambush, then stood by and watched while they fought. Of course, nobody wants to listen to that part of the story. "Kill the dirty Nazis!"
    Jerry
    Both sides are doing it. I want everyone to understand that while the leftist media lies, it doesn't mean the rightist media is telling the truth. You are getting lied to by both sides and have to sort through the crap from both to attempt to find out what is really happening. They both have slick operations and it takes a bit of effort to even attempt to figure out what is really going on. I don't want to be a sucker for either of them.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    john9001 wrote: »
    She was originally from another town but worked in Charlottesville and I assume she also lived there. She must have gotten the day off to join the riot, I mean protest movement against the neonazi kkk whitesupremist racist traitors.
    Again...
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article166987992.html
    She was a paralegal, so she wouldn't typically be working on a Saturday.:roll:

    I say I was born and raised in Flint, Michigan. I was born in the city limits, but was raised in Swartz Creek, MI. I live in Flint Township-- that still very much makes me a local.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    Y'all need to stop this who did what to who, and start following the money. George Soros is in this up to his rheumy eyelids funding them all. There are ads on Craigslist from a company in California paying for people to show up for all the various groups, providing food and logistical support, and ANOTHER company is supplying lawyers for those arrested. There's a whole lot more going on than meets the eye here.

    The skinheads are on the far left of the political spectrum. ANTIFA is on the far left of the political spectrum. And BLM is on the far left of the political spectrum. And the people that pulled down the statue in Durham, NC are members of the Communist Worker's Party, a decidedly far left political organization. Does it make sense for all these far left groups to be fighting one another? Do the demands of bringing back segregation by BLM make sense? Who is pulling the strings and setting all these junkyard dogs on each other? And for what purpose? That's the questions that need answering.

    In the 1970's George Soros said the hated the U.S. and he'd do everything in his power to bring it down. Are you beginning to see a pattern yet?

    The conservatives that get in the way and beat up by all these groups are just collateral damage to the real purpose of all this, and that real purpose is the destruction of the U.S. from within. Read Saul Alinsky's manifesto Rules For Radicals. It's being played out in front of us.
    Here's his rules:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,834 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Got a question- - - - -the woman who was killed in Charlottesville- - - - -was she a local resident, or one of the agitators who were bused in by the hundreds to ambush the skinheads? All I can find online is a chorus of praises that make her sound like Mother Teresa reincarnated.
    Jerry

    I have no clue.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,617 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    So you are saying that the issue of slavery started this whole ball rolling? While I do agree that the states had a right to secede and that the states rights were trampled all over in an effort to preserve the Union and the motivation could very well be tax revenue and probably resources, at the core of the matter was slavery. I do not think I can be convinced otherwise.

    The core of the matter was slavery...for the NORTH. The abolitionists were the radical liberals of their time, and after decades of failure to interest enough people in a constitutional amendment that would have abolished it, legally, they went outside the law to do it. Like today, the radical liberals did not come anywhere close to being a majority of the country, but they were the loudest. I'm quite sure that most northerners were opposed to slavery, but I don't think a majority of them were willing to fight a bloody war for it.

    You only have to look at what's happening right now to get a feel for what it might have been like, in 1860. We have radicals on both sides trying to incite violence and recruit people to their cause, and a sensationalist media blowing it up into more than it really is. The average citizen is appalled by the violence, and may profess support for one side or the other, but nobody wants a civil war over the issue.

    The Civil War started because the federal government believed that they could squash the 'rebellion' in a matter of days, and sort out the legalities, later. If Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee had stayed in the Union army, it might have happened that way, because the Union would have smashed the resistance at Manassas (Bull Run) convincingly in the first battle, and probably marched on to Richmond.
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,078 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    This is complete, and utter PCBS. Send them to California...
    Sorry, Chicago already sent their's along with Mexico. Now we're exporting them out to you all. Enjoy! :rotflmao::vomit:
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,618 Senior Member
    I wonder if Sherman park in Milwaukee will be renamed and his statue will be destroyed? After all, he showed more hate than any Confederate general ever did. He took it upon himself to march his troops through Georgia and take people's animals and crops and then burn whatever they couldn't carry in order to teach Southerners a lesson.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,111 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Y'all need to stop this who did what to who, and start following the money. George Soros is in this up to his rheumy eyelids funding them all. There are ads on Craigslist from a company in California paying for people to show up for all the various groups, providing food and logistical support, and ANOTHER company is supplying lawyers for those arrested. There's a whole lot more going on than meets the eye here.

    The skinheads are on the far left of the political spectrum. ANTIFA is on the far left of the political spectrum. And BLM is on the far left of the political spectrum. And the people that pulled down the statue in Durham, NC are members of the Communist Worker's Party, a decidedly far left political organization. Does it make sense for all these far left groups to be fighting one another? Do the demands of bringing back segregation by BLM make sense? Who is pulling the strings and setting all these junkyard dogs on each other? And for what purpose? That's the questions that need answering.

    In the 1970's George Soros said the hated the U.S. and he'd do everything in his power to bring it down. Are you beginning to see a pattern yet?

    The conservatives that get in the way and beat up by all these groups are just collateral damage to the real purpose of all this, and that real purpose is the destruction of the U.S. from within. Read Saul Alinsky's manifesto Rules For Radicals. It's being played out in front of us.
    Here's his rules:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

    THIS!! The communist conspiracy is alive and well, and Soros is providing millions of $$$$ to fund it. I have no use for skinheads, Nazis or the like, but I do not like what I see as a determined and well-organized effort by liberals, socialists and communists to undermine the history and traditions of this country, and to demonize anything conservative or libertarian.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    I do think Tennmike is on to something. At best, they are hijacking Southern heritage and history and putting an ugly face onto it-- ensuring it gets destroyed.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,584 Senior Member
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,957 Senior Member
    There's a preacher in Chicago that has a group demanding the taking down of the statue of George Washington in the city........because Washington owned slaves. Also a movement by another group to remove Washington, Jefferson, and Teddy Roosevelt from Mt. Rushmore; first two were slave owners, and Teddy is being branded as a racist. And closer to my home, there is renewed calls in Atlanta for the destruction of the carving on Stone Mountain, the largest bas relief sculpture in the world.
    The statue of Thomas Jefferson at William and Mary College has been defaced a few times and there are calls for its removal from the campus. And the Confederate statues in Baltimore, MD were removed in the dead of night this week.

    And there is a renewed call for disinterring the Confederate graves at Arlington and moving them, and the monument in that section of the graveyard. The hate for the South and Southerners is getting a little much.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,584 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    There's a preacher in Chicago that has a group demanding the taking down of the statue of George Washington in the city........because Washington owned slaves. Also a movement by another group to remove Washington, Jefferson, and Teddy Roosevelt from Mt. Rushmore; first two were slave owners, and Teddy is being branded as a racist. And closer to my home, there is renewed calls in Atlanta for the destruction of the carving on Stone Mountain, the largest bas relief sculpture in the world.
    The statue of Thomas Jefferson at William and Mary College has been defaced a few times and there are calls for its removal from the campus. And the Confederate statues in Baltimore, MD were removed in the dead of night this week.

    And there is a renewed call for disinterring the Confederate graves at Arlington and moving them, and the monument in that section of the graveyard. The hate for the South and Southerners is getting a little much.
    Did you not receive the memo? The liberal socialists DO NOT HATE! They hold candlelight vigils and sing "Kumbaya".
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    The past is what it is-- for better or worse, we can debate that all day. To avoid our past mistakes and learn from the sucesses, it is essential that we preserve it-- not destroy and erase it.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    The last time a bunch of outsiders took it upon themselves to come down south and teach us backward rednecks a lesson in the 1860's, it didn't go well for a huge number of them. Southerners, regardless of their skin color, are usually a laid-back, friendly bunch. That is, until somebody pushes us just a little too far. Then we're going to open up a 55-gallon drum of whoopass and spread it around in a very thick layer. Importing busloads of rabble-rousers from all over the country to stir the pot also has a pretty ugly track record. The noble cause involved the last time it was done notwithstanding, I'm old enough to remember how the "freedom riders" acted when they chose to bring their groups down south- - - -they were a bunch of arrogant donkeyholes who actively tried to provoke a violent response. Sound familiar?
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,584 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    The past is what it is-- for better or worse, we can debate that all day. To avoid our past mistakes and learn from the sucesses, it is essential that we preserve it-- not destroy and erase it.
    George Orwell's "1984" and "Animal Farm" were on the recommended reading list when I was in high school. I suspect they are now banned.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    The last time a bunch of outsiders took it upon themselves to come down south and teach us backward rednecks a lesson in the 1860's, it didn't go well for a huge number of them. Southerners, regardless of their skin color, are usually a laid-back, friendly bunch. That is, until somebody pushes us just a little too far. Then we're going to open up a 55-gallon drum of whoopass and spread it around in a very thick layer. Importing busloads of rabble-rousers from all over the country to stir the pot also has a pretty ugly track record. The noble cause involved the last time it was done notwithstanding, I'm old enough to remember how the "freedom riders" acted when they chose to bring their groups down south- - - -they were a bunch of arrogant donkeyholes who actively tried to provoke a violent response.
    I am thinking it should have been a bunch of pissed off southern boys "counter-protesting" :cough: that rally in Charlottesville last weekend. I know they didn't speak for the southerners I know and would resent the heck out of them hijacking my heritage.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,347 Senior Member
    You notice it was a damyankee from Ohio who drove the killer car- - - - -If the ANTIFA thugs weren't there to stir the pot, it wouldn't surprise me to find those mouth-breathers being confronted by a bunch of locals. I know I'd be on the front lines of those willing to protect our heritage from being hijacked. The heritage of my ancestors who walked 40 miles to enlist in the Confederate army, and my noncombatant great-great grandfather whose store was looted by the "liberators" of Nashville after they raided his farm north of town would demand that I defend their memory.
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,114 Senior Member
    Between the Neo-Nazis and the ANTIFAs stirring crap, they were one hell of a team in an effort to destroy your family's memory. There weren't two sides to this-- they were only acting like two sides in an effort to achieve one goal which was to erase southern history. They may or may not have been working together, but they got results either way.
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