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1,400 yards with the .308 Winchester.

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 23,988 Senior Member
Had fun pushing the cartridge today with some friends. Cleared out a new range where we could get 1,300 yards to 1,400 yards.

Here is what the distance looks like.

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Wind holds ranged from 2.5-4.5 mils.

Even my rancher friend got in on the distance with his 20" barreled.308 Winchester and 168gr TMK handloads.

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Hitting the silhouette with no problem after a few adjustments to the wind and elevation holds. That is the furthest he has ever hit with his .308 Winchester. He has a .338 Lapua that he has shot a mile with before. But, that is a different beast. He was happy with his results and I was very proud of him for his success.

We started at 1,300 yards. Went to 1,350 yards. Then, 1,400 yards.

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Don't let anyone ever intimidate you with distance. If you can see it.........you can hit it. Just aim higher or get a bigger gun.

An obvious simplification. But really, it ain't rocket surgery. Solid fundamentals, sound platform, adequate tools, and good glass............score.

It takes some practice to learn the wind and ballistics. Having a good spotter or knowing the intricacies yourself assuredly helps. But, NEVER let anyone (including yourself) convince you that it's unobtainable.

Get out and find your limit. Then.........push past them.

We ended the day with a 1 mile run. Carrying our rifles and gear as we went. Engaging targets from 200-700 yards along the way. Climbing hills and towers in the process. Shooting from alternate positions and, generally smoking ourselves in the process. Finding limits. Pushing past them.

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I encourage you guys to find a place to reach out and shoot. It doesn't have to be a range. Knowing someone with property and a safe backstop.........bam! Instant range.

Do it!
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,450 Senior Member
    Wow, that's an amazing day! You are definitely our resident bad ****
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,920 Senior Member
    Never out of range...just out of sight...Nicely done!!!
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Elk creek wrote: »
    Wow, that's an amazing day! You are definitely our resident bad ****

    No badassery here. Just blessed with opportunity and love what I do.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,825 Senior Member
    You continue to amaze me!! At that range, I'd call in an air strike!!
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Never out of range...just out of sight...Nicely done!!!

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,450 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
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    Aka Badassery!
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Elk creek wrote: »
    Aka Badassery!

    Ha!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    You continue to amaze me!! At that range, I'd call in an air strike!!

    Good teachers and opportunity. I'm just a vessel.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Awesome! Sounds like a great day. A few years ago I met Jerm and Joe at a range in Indiana. One of my prouder accomplishments was a first shot hit on a sillouette at 750 yds the first time I'd ever shot my .308 past 200 yds using an estimated holdover because I didn't realize until I got to the range that day that the scope I had on the rifle didn't have enough adjustment range for the distance. Wish I could find a place nearby to do it more often!

    I remember that. Sounded like a great day with lots of success. Wish y'all could do it more often.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    But, but, you can't do that with a .308!!!! It won't shoot that far!!!!

    Gotta fall out'a the sky at some point!

    :-)
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    That's a really long distance.

    I think you've had some practice. :-)
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Nope I have it on good authority somewhere short of 1,000 yards the go subsonic and basically stop and just fall to the ground... So there! I read that on the internet...

    I can't argue with you, then. Must be true.

    ;-)
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    That's a really long distance.

    I think you've had some practice. :-)

    Launch enough bullets........bound to hit something.

    Even if it's dirt.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,148 Senior Member
    Seriously: how long does it take to hear the bullet report off of a gong target at that distance (or can you even hear one?)
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Six-Gun wrote: »
    Seriously: how long does it take to hear the bullet report off of a gong target at that distance (or can you even hear one?)

    You can hear it with electronic ear pro.

    Long enough to see the hit. Call the hit. Come off glass and look at the shooter. Then, hear the "clang" of hit steel.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,093 Senior Member
    My first time past 500 was a life-sized steel bison at 700, with my XP.
    I used 3 different ballistics programs to get close and still hit about 2 minutes below my POA (top of the hump)

    Was a fun day and I dearly miss the old guy I was visiting and shooting with.

    Some of you old timers on RimfireCentral might remember Redtip17


    Nice shootin' Zedrick

    On an unrelated not, find a home for that Miculek brake? I haven't shot that particular AR since I swapped it out
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    You can hear it with electronic ear pro.

    Long enough to see the hit. Call the hit. Come off glass and look at the shooter. Then, hear the "clang" of hit steel.

    Seems almost wrong at first, then, oh....Impact.
    Great shooting:applause:
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ojrojr Senior Member Posts: 1,092 Senior Member
    What scope magnification are you using for that range Zee?
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    On an unrelated not, find a home for that Miculek brake? I haven't shot that particular AR since I swapped it out

    Yes Sir. It's on my lightweight HD/AR rifle. Works like a champ.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,110 Senior Member
    Sounds like a most excellent time with good companions.

    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Nope I have it on good authority somewhere short of 100 yards the 270 goes subsonic and basically stop and just fall to the ground... So there! I read that on the internet...

    Sorry Wambli but your memory isnt that good so I fixed your post for you.......
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    ojr wrote: »
    What scope magnification are you using for that range Zee?

    Ha!

    Funny you should mention that. I was speaking with someone else about that.

    8x

    Why?

    Because, I needed 21.5 Mils in elevation to reach the target. I only had 9.6 Mils of upward adjustment in my turret. So, the options are dial some and hold some, which gets confusing for the shooter and spotter when calling quick corrections. Resulting in the shooter becoming "lost in the mils" during rapid follow up shots. Especially when shooting multiple targets at multiple distances. Remembering to factor in the dialed elevation with the held elevation if the spotter calls a different hold.........etc......etc......etc. It gets ugly.

    My solution? Power down and hold actual. It's a method that works for me. Being as it's a FFP scope.

    As an example, one of my friends dialed some and held some. He got lost in the mils twice. Took out the dialed elevation and went to holds only. It just works.

    Doesn't mean YOU have to. Just what I have found works for what I do. I suck at math anyway. Don't want to be adding more work for my brain.

    I use the crap out of my scope's power ring. It's basically my "elevation turret". I power up and down depending on what particular mil I need to hit a target. So for me, a scope that has a "memory bump" on the power ring for ease of turning and power reference is a must.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Speaking of hearing the impact.

    Here is a video from about 15 minutes ago this morning.

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Speaking of hearing the impact.

    Here is a video from about 15 minutes ago this morning.

    http://s26.photobucket.com/user/lovinmycaitlynn/media/Shooting/AC91A17B-624B-4A2F-8E4A-2A4E54870C32_zpsz18wh4hb.mp4.html
    That is a beautiful sound for sure!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    Impressive for sure.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 2,247 Senior Member
    What's your hold over at that range? Scope zeroed at 200, 300?
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    JKP wrote: »
    What's your hold over at that range? Scope zeroed at 200, 300?

    100yrd Zero
    21.5 Mils Elevation Hold for 1,400 yards.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ojrojr Senior Member Posts: 1,092 Senior Member
    Zee
    Thanks for your answer
    I have 12 power available.
    I need 6.2 mil to get me to 750 and 10 mil to get to 1000m with a 140gr 6.5 amax leaving at 2745fps
    I have only shot this far although the farmers place where I have my range would easily go to the 14-1500m and more if I shifted location
    My biggest problem is not seeing that far nor running out of elevation with the double turn PM11 it is crossing the sound barrier at by my calculation a couple of hundred meters short of 1400m and how that would effect my bullet flight.
    Though if I went to yards I it would probably be right on the 1400yard mark
    I could always try and find another node with a little higher speed as there is room in the case,
    Currently using Vihtavuori N560, I could try Adi 2209/ H4895 and see what happens
    You post has inspired me. I shall give it a crack.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Whatever it takes. Go for it.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Sounds like a most excellent time with good companions.




    Sorry Wambli but your memory isnt that good so I fixed your post for you.......

    OMG Now I have to go break the news to my .270, that hog I killed at 320 yards with it didn't happen. Damn thing musta died of a heart attack....

    :buff2:...:confused:...:bang:...:silly:

    :roll2::roll2::roll2:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,746 Senior Member
    While I understand MOA I am not sure about MIL........please explain.

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    USMC 80-84
    -96 lbs
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