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FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior MemberPosts: 5,797 Senior Member
Who left the SE Shoot with new ideas about buying something? In past years, I shot a few different long range rifles at the shoot and it was really fun to shoot small targets at longer ranges. I only have 100yds at home and most of my hunting is at 100yds or less so I don't really have a good justification for a long range plinker but I've been wanting one anyway. I didn't want to spend too much and I was intrigued by the Mossberg MVP. I wanted to use box magazines also and the MVP uses AR magazines which are cheap and I already have a few so after reading around on the internet, I decided to get one. I got the 24" threaded barrel and put a Clark brake on it, a Vortex anti cant, Weaver 6x24, and EGW bolt knob, and Timney trigger. I only had time to shoot it once to see which ammo that I had on hand worked the best and to sight it in before the shoot. 62gr American Eagle was the most accurate but there were lots of FTF's with it. I had a blast with it at Jerry's and have no regrets.
Now the next bit of enabling was about a decent rifle rest. I shot from a rest that CPJ made and was ruined. It had a huge amount of elevation adjustment and was butter smooth. The design of the elevation adjustment is genius in that the adjustment wheel is large with lots of mass and on fine threads so that you could just brush it with a fingertip to make adjustments. For somebody who just recently started machining and fabricating more elaborate stuff, it's an amazing piece of equipment that looks and functions as well as anything made by a master machinist. After using it, my current rest feels like a trotline weight. I don't get why most manufacturers use fat ACME threads when even an NC thread would be so much more precise and smoother. Now my next quest​ is for a decent rest.
Who else left Jerry's with plans to aquire something new?
snake284 wrote: »
For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    The SE shoot has lead to three gun purchases for me. My 6.5X284 grew out of shooting something similar there, my MVP grew from wanting a smaller caliber rifle setup the same as the 6.5X284.

    I thought my HB AR was filling the bench .223 role for me. Not so much after shooting a couple different .223 bolt guns. Which also helped motivate the MVP purchase.

    Eli has a Savage MKII HB that I like A LOT. It occurred to me that I needed a .22LR setup similar to the .223 and 6.5X284 for backyard practice. So those two reasons led to my own Savage MKII HB in a Boyd's tacticool stock.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    My daughter was bugging me to get her a .270 Winchester all the way home. She thinks it is the cutest thing. Darn you Snake!

    That Viagra I slipped into BigAl's food didn't create the distraction I was hoping for-- so I could slip away with his FREAKING SWEET #1 in 6mm. It even has one of those monte carlo cheek pieces on the wrong side of the stock (for a lefty). I don't care. That rifle is gorgeous!

    The rest-- Mine is the "crappy prototype". I think he nailed it and should bring them to market. It works perfect. It is nice and heavy, the footprint isn't too big, the controls are super smooth, have absolutely no slack in them (when sitting on the bench when it actually matters) and is ambidextrous for left and right handed shooters. Once you lock the butt stock into the rear bag, all you need to do is use the windage/elevation adjustments on the rest which are smooth and precise enough to make extremely fine adjustments. I keep telling him, but he doesn't want to listen-- he needs to stop fretting over something nobody freaking cares about, and start making the damn things! I love my rest.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,733 Senior Member
    I played with CPJs prototype rest last year and now I'm patiently waiting for him to release them to market.


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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    That rest is Da Bomb! I could not get over the smoothness of the adjustments - what's not to like?

    As for enabling, I'm neck to neck on a G43 vs the LC9s thanx to lotsa carry nines I tried. I may try a few more if I run across them, or just say "screw it" and get the LC9s!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'll continue to fret till it satisfies me. My selling point, and my reason for building it is I want a rest I can adjust on the fly and have it solid WITHOUT tightening a set screw messing up your aim point, then having to squeeze the bag till you're back on target. The wiggle I'm eliminating does matter. The instant the bullet moves, the rifle moves. (SCIENCE!) If the rest rocks back, the barrel raises, sending shots high. Thousandths of inches at the bench add up at distance. I want every variable eliminated. Like you said to trust me on the windage, I say trust me on eliminating slop.
    I'm close, real close.
    One thing I did realize...the handwheel I used that's made from aluminum, lead, zinc, soup can, small Chinese children and whatever scrap metal they are made from is WAY too light. Didn't think it would matter. But it does. There's ZERO chance of a big brass wheel like I used in yours. That was a scrap check valve i repurposed. To buy one new, and machine it like yours is cost and time prohibitive. Just that wheel would cost $250+ bucks. So I have another plan. But I know the wheel I used in mine....no es bueno.
    And using version 1.0 told me where the controls need to be. Right in the center. That sucks, as it makes it a bit more difficult, and makes it a little less streamlined. But function will overtake form.



    Well, count me down for one if you decide to make a production model. Kick-starter?


    As far as enabling, I went out and bought my Kel Tec Sub 2000 in .40 S&W because I could not join you all... had to spend that money on something! If Kel Tec just got off their collective butts and made that thing in a 10mm, they would sell a ton. I am trying to figure out how to convert it already from a .40 to a 10mm.

    D
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    The only thing that I would change on that rest is the windage adjustment. I would like it larger in diameter with a textured knob so that adjustments could be made with the brush of a fingertip like the elevation.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,805 Senior Member
    Hey Jerm!

    Key words bro...."she" "daughter"

    The 270 is perfect. No shame buying it for a lady
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Hey Jerm!

    Key words bro...."she" "daughter"

    The 270 is perfect. No shame buying it for a lady
    This is her deer rifle in 250 Savage...
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    She also has her own 10/22...
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    Plus once I get off my butt and get the barrels rebored and chambered, she will have one of the first two Marlin 336's ever chambered in .375 SJS. When she gets a little older, she will have her own handguns and probably a target rifle.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Well I have heard .270s being called a lot of things, but don't think "Cute" has been one of them :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Agreed. I just sent you an email with a pic of one I'm going to try.

    Bingo! Got the email and that's exactly what I had in mind. You should issue a recall on Jerm's rest and put that on it, then it would be perfect.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'll continue to fret till it satisfies me. My selling point, and my reason for building it is I want a rest I can adjust on the fly and have it solid WITHOUT tightening a set screw messing up your aim point, then having to squeeze the bag till you're back on target. The wiggle I'm eliminating does matter. The instant the bullet moves, the rifle moves. (SCIENCE!) If the rest rocks back, the barrel raises, sending shots high. Thousandths of inches at the bench add up at distance. I want every variable eliminated. Like you said to trust me on the windage, I say trust me on eliminating slop.
    I'm close, real close.
    I see your point, but during the milliseconds between the primer strike and when the bullet leaves the barrel, the movement is minuscule. The rifle never really starts moving until the bullet is long gone and will not be affected by that bit of motion. Perfect is the enemy of good. That rest goes way beyond good. At a (my best guess) price point of $225-250, it is "Shut up and take my money" good.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    Bingo! Got the email and that's exactly what I had in mind. You should issue a recall on Jerm's rest and put that on it, then it would be perfect.

    I suspect you couldn't pry that rest out of Jerm's cold, dead hands!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    The rifle moves the exact moment the bullet moves. Science.
    Is it minuscule? Yes.
    Am I being picky? Yes.
    But, it's my rest. It will be slop free. The two options I have WILL make it slop free. A couple of thousandths of an inch I'll accept. When it rocks back and forth when you grab it and moves 30 thousandths of an inch, that's not acceptable. I want to say "my rest is solid, WITHOUT needing to lock it down. If someone grabs it and sees it ain't slop free....

    If you can do it, go for it! 'Cause you and I both know that most lock downs make things like this move - a LOT.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    It will be slop free. The two options I have WILL make it slop free. A couple of thousandths of an inch I'll accept. When it rocks back and forth when you grab it and moves 30 thousandths of an inch, that's not acceptable. I want to say "my rest is solid, WITHOUT needing to lock it down. If someone grabs it and sees it ain't slop free....
    Fine, but get your picky, slop free ass moving! Make it happen. None of us are getting any younger.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    I suspect you couldn't pry that rest out of Jerm's cold, dead hands!
    He can "fix" it in my presence. If he tries any of that slop fixing stuff, I will kick him in the nuts.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,706 Senior Member
    I'm thinking about getting a motorized wheelchair!
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    That rest goes way beyond good. At a (my best guess) price point of $225-250, it is "Shut up and take my money" good.

    The Sinclair rest with no windage adjustment is 550.00. With windage it's 700.00 and the windage adjustment pivots the head assembly rather than move on rails like CPJ's. Elevation adjustment on the Sinclair is a single screw and a wheel like the lower end rests but with finer, more precise threads, along with requiring the adjustments to be locked down. CPJ's rest contains substantially more engineering and labor and would be worth every bit as much or more than a Sinclair.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    I just found some Harley rests that were listed at 1700.00! The hard cases for them were over 300.00!
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    I am thinking only of materials plus an excellent rate for his time. Once you hit the $600-700 mark, you may as well say screw it, go all out and get a SEB rest...
    http://sebrests.com/product

    I think if he can keep the costs down, the profit on volume will far exceed the limited profit potential in a more exclusive market--but that is only speculation on my part.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,706 Senior Member
    That's right Whiner, just 'cause you can hit the mark doesn't mean you can kill large tough game.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    And last and least, Snakes .270. Hit the 8" steel at 286 yards on the first shot having never fired it before using another mans ass for a rest. Probably luck, but it happened. :tooth:

    Don't forget your hitting the 100 yd steel first shot with my dad's Enfield - with iron sights and no rest. *THAT* impressed the heck out of me! Had to laugh at the forgotten-who wag who said, "It ain't the rifle!" :roll2:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,450 Senior Member
    Jerm, I have some serious envy of that Ruger 250 savage. I had a chance at one but the same setup in 7x57...I wish I could have bought both.
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    Yup
    I need BigAls #1, CPJs rest, Fisheads Birdshead, Chiefs 45-70
    and dont tell anyone, but Snakes .270 also.
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    By next year I'll have another secret squirrel project done for folks to shoot...

    I meant to ask you how you were going to rifle that thing that you showed me.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    THAT was luck. I did like that rifle though. I had never seen one in person. I'd love one in .308.

    Its been done by Ishapore and others - but some quick research suggests its not the best matchup. OTOH, if anyone could make it work, it would be you!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    That rest is Da Bomb! I could not get over the smoothness of the adjustments - what's not to like?

    As for enabling, I'm neck to neck on a G43 vs the LC9s thanx to lotsa carry nines I tried. I may try a few more if I run across them, or just say "screw it" and get the LC9s!

    LC9S Pro. Awesome trigger. My wife loves her, and it was only ~$330 delivered.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,640 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    You're NOT helping.

    Of course he is...

    Davidson's has them in different colors - although I'm thinking about the one with the Hi-Viz sights.

    My only hesitation is that I'd really rather have a SS slide and especially a SS bbl for a carry piece in Florida.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    The rifle moves the exact moment the bullet moves. Science.

    The rifle moves as soon as the firing pin moves and even before it hits the primer. That's why benchrest rifles are HEAVY and set up to give minimum lock time!
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Well I have heard .270s being called a lot of things, but don't think "Cute" has been one of them :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

    Mine's pretty cute, but not as cute as cpj's scout. That thing is awesome. Perfect deer rifle, quick to point and the weight is perfect. The only gun as purdy as that were Als two, the Number 1 and that beautiful Mauser. My guns are utility grade, y'alls are Gun Art.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Oh... and Snake's 9.3 is sweet! I do lust that rifle. I got a thing for oddball chambered Rugers and got a thing for rifles with some power, so his makes me tingly in a special place. It has a very good hunting trigger on it as well. Really nice gun. And I have to admit that "The 270" is a good classic honest rifle. It shoots very nice, has a great trigger and modest recoil. It has honest wear and tear but does not distract from the functionality.

    Will it stop me from cracking .270 jokes? Never.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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