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Dear Abby, I need some help here........

orchidmanorchidman Senior MemberPosts: 8,109 Senior Member
I am looking to fill a niche in my hunting lineup.
At the moment I have the following calibers for deer/goats.

204 with 45grsp..........For goats/Fallow deer and varmints.
222 with 50gr sp.........." " " " "
7mm08 with either 120gr or 140's for the above and when I need something with a bit more punch or something bigger than Fallow comes along while hunting...

Seems to me there is a gap between the 222 and the 7mm08

I was looking at possibly getting a 243 to fill said gap......which would give me projectile weights between 80 and 100+

However...........while perusing the current offerings I see that one of my LGS's has a Tikka T3 extra light in 223 with a 1 in 8 twist.

From what I have read, the 1 in 8 223 would allow me to use projectiles up to 80+gr which would fill said gap.

I dont have a 223..............but I do have a 224 dia suppressor for the 222 and the 22-250 which would also fit the T3 in 223.

On the other hand I do have 243 dies........but no rifle chambered in that cal

If I get the 243 I will have to buy another suppressor.............adding $300+ to the cost.

223 components are cheaper and factory plinking ammo wont break the bank............
243 cal allows a slightly heavier range of projectiles.............

Price for a T3 extra light in 243 is the same as the 223........

What should I do Abby............???????
Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,109 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Only thing that would concern me would be the magzine length with the .223 and 80 grain projectiles. It may be a bit short.
    I'd get the .243, for your purpose. As to "I'd have to spend an extra $300 for a supressor", you're going to exactly ZERO sympathy from anyone here, you Wanker.

    :spittingcoffee: :rotflmao:
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,967 Senior Member
    .243 Win

    Do you have a suppressor for the 7-08? Bob's your Uncle.

    Wonder if if there is a way to get brass shipped to you. I know a guy that has.......a bit.

    The .223 does nothing your .222 can't in terms of game size.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Only thing that would concern me would be the magzine length with the .223 and 80 grain projectiles. It may be a bit short.
    I'd get the .243, for your purpose. As to "I'd have to spend an extra $300 for a supressor", you're going to exactly ZERO sympathy from anyone here, you Wanker.

    This.

    If you get a .243 you have common brass between it and 7mm-08.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Yes. Buy them both.

    Next question?
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,708 Senior Member
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,148 Senior Member
    If you have to go with one or the other, definitely go .243 Win. Louder, even with a suppressor? Sure. Extremely effective and flat-shooting with even 100 grainers out to 300 yards or so? You bet. I have killed enough animals with my Tikka T3 .243 Win to give it a full field endorsement.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Nah, you need to go bigger to be in the middle ... .257Roberts ... [email protected] or [email protected] Then Bob is your uncle for sure ... :jester:.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,026 Senior Member
    .243 Win.

    Mike
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Mrs. Clean said get a Swiffer duster.

    :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    A 7-08 is simply a .243 on Viagra- - - - -same case, bigger "phallus". You could even neck down 7-08 brass for the .243 bullet without much of a problem, if any. I routinely neck .270 brass to .264, about the only reason I can think of for that round to exist! Of course all those almost-grown cases, the 7-08, the .260, the 243, etc. are downsized .308's. Even the .358 is the same case, just blown out for a .35 caliber bullet.

    The same evolution of the 7X57 gave us the 8MM Mauser, the .30-06, the .270, and a bunch of others based on the same head diameter and general case taper, just stretched, shortened, and/or necked up and down.
    Jerry
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    Love my .243, and is is out of the box the most accurate rifle I own, and almost no recoil. If you don't have a .308 / 7mm08 s / .243 suppressor you need one anyway. And flat shooting to 200 yards.

    D
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,967 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    A 7-08 is simply a .243 on Viagra- - - - -same case, bigger "phallus". You could even neck down 7-08 brass for the .243 bullet without much of a problem, if any. I routinely neck .270 brass to .264, about the only reason I can think of for that round to exist! Of course all those almost-grown cases, the 7-08, the .260, the 243, etc. are downsized .308's. Even the .358 is the same case, just blown out for a .35 caliber bullet.

    The same evolution of the 7X57 gave us the 8MM Mauser, the .30-06, the .270, and a bunch of others based on the same head diameter and general case taper, just stretched, shortened, and/or necked up and down.
    Jerry

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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    Nah, you need to go bigger to be in the middle ... .257Roberts ... [email protected] or [email protected] Then Bob is your uncle for sure ... :jester:.

    If it were me (which its not) and I wanted a .25 I'd just go with the 25-06 75gr @ 3700fps , 90gr @ 3500fps , 100gr @ 3400fps & 120gr @ 3100fps. follow the old hot rodders theory the only thing better than cubic inches is more cubic inches.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,967 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    .........the only thing better than cubic inches is more cubic inches.

    JAY

    That gave me a chuckle.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,249 Senior Member
    Scroll back a page or two for Zee's thread on what you can do with a 62 grain Barnes out of a .223.

    That said, the .243 will do all of that farther and flatter, but I don't know that there's much to choose between a heavy .243 and a light 7-08. I'm not quite going to say that you're splitting hairs here, Alec, but you're close to it.

    "If I get the 243 I will have to buy another suppressor.............adding $300+ to the cost."

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Another vote for the .243 Win. You already have the dies. Drop the $300 on the new suppressor, you tightwad! The .243 can be scary accurate, and a Tikka T3 should make that even more so if you pay attention to the reloading. Great chambering for deer, hogs, goats, stoats, bats, big rats, feral cats, and even a big Jersey bull if you put the bullet between his running lights.

    Seriously, buy the .243. You WILL NOT be disappointed! :up:
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,621 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Another vote for the .243 Win. You already have the dies. Drop the $300 on the new suppressor, you tightwad! The .243 can be scary accurate, and a Tikka T3 should make that even more so if you pay attention to the reloading. Great chambering for deer, hogs, goats, stoats, bats, big rats, feral cats, and even a big Jersey bull if you put the bullet between his running lights.

    Seriously, buy the .243. You WILL NOT be disappointed! :up:

    Get the .243, you will obviously save money on groceries eating all of the above that you will be shooting with your new .243, you will make up that $300 for the extra suppressor quickly.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    No need for yoga. I'm certain there are hammers down under.
    Yes there is... so he can go fornicate himself.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    That gave me a chuckle.

    Glad you got a laugh,

    To quote your posts, " To hell with efficieny, it's performance we want Elmer Keith

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    I am looking to fill a niche in my hunting lineup.
    At the moment I have the following calibers for deer/goats.

    204 with 45grsp..........For goats/Fallow deer and varmints.
    222 with 50gr sp.........." " " " "
    7mm08 with either 120gr or 140's for the above and when I need something with a bit more punch or something bigger than Fallow comes along while hunting...

    Seems to me there is a gap between the 222 and the 7mm08

    I was looking at possibly getting a 243 to fill said gap......which would give me projectile weights between 80 and 100+

    However...........while perusing the current offerings I see that one of my LGS's has a Tikka T3 extra light in 223 with a 1 in 8 twist.

    From what I have read, the 1 in 8 223 would allow me to use projectiles up to 80+gr which would fill said gap.

    I dont have a 223..............but I do have a 224 dia suppressor for the 222 and the 22-250 which would also fit the T3 in 223.

    On the other hand I do have 243 dies........but no rifle chambered in that cal

    If I get the 243 I will have to buy another suppressor.............adding $300+ to the cost.

    223 components are cheaper and factory plinking ammo wont break the bank............
    243 cal allows a slightly heavier range of projectiles.............

    Price for a T3 extra light in 243 is the same as the 223........

    What should I do Abby............???????

    If you can find one used, a .257 Roberts would fill the gap nicely. You can find 110 grain or 115 grain Bullets. That's more of a ballistic balance between the two sizes. Or you can do as I did and build a .257 AI. Or like Jaywapity said, just go for the gold with a nice .25-06 Remington.
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  • PegasusPegasus Senior Member Posts: 2,760 Senior Member
    I would, of course, go with the .223 and use the heavier longer bullets. It's much less of a barrel burner than the .243 and should be scary accurate and good for the long distance if needed.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    This is not about need. You can load up or down with what you have and get the job done, just fine.

    However, the .243 is such a sweet shooter that I cannot believe you don't have one. As a person who ignored the .243 for nearly 50 years, all I can say is treat yourself to one. You will likely discover that it does everything you need, and puts a big smile on your face, every time you shoot it.
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    .243 IMHO. No comparison to a .223

    Luis
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  • PegasusPegasus Senior Member Posts: 2,760 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Don't know that "barrel burning" is much of an issue in hunting rifles.

    Very true.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Has anybody ever come up with a way to make those paper targets that get killed in the next zip code taste good? Every time I put one on the BBQ grill, it burns up before I can get to experiment with seasonings or sauces! The steel ones are too tough to chew, no matter how long I cook 'em!
    :uhm:
    Jerry
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,557 Senior Member
    I'm late to this, but I'd say .260Rem actually. Or 6.5 Creedmoor if ammo or components are available to you.
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  • ojrojr Senior Member Posts: 1,092 Senior Member
    If this was me I'd probably buy a 6.5 and use a 120gr Bt or 123gr hornady
    I'd then only use the 7mm 08 with 140gr until I experimented with the 6.5 and the hornady 143 or 147gr bullets, then once I'd discovered just how much better the 6.5 performs with the larger bullets I'd sell my 7mm 08 and buy a 243 and run a 95gr bullet made by a local fellow up your way . [Pm for details I buy all my 224 bullets off him]
    Easy peasy, no more gaps.
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  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 1,851 Senior Member
    240 Weatherby
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,109 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Are you NUTS!!! Must be the blood is pooling in your head from hanging from the world upside down... :cuss:

    He comes from the Mainland..................:roll2:
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
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