Intervention: How bad do I need a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70?

Zee

I already have a 20" .458 Win Mag hand loaded with 500gr RNSP that make me want to cry and 300gr HPFP that are comfortable to shoot and screaming in velocity.

Do do I really "need" the Marlin?

Temptation is calling. Save me!!!

shotgunshooter3

Do it. I intend to ultimately buy a Marlin .45-70. My desire is to recreate the gun used in Jurassic World.


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Big Al1

There is no hope! Just give in, it's a lever gun!!

Zee

cpj wrote: »

The boy needs a .243 of his own, built as a father son project, before you need a 45-70.

Dude, no matter how much I plan and scheme, the boy is gonna get my .243 Medium he has been using this year. I know it. I've given myself to that reality. Therefore, why build another for him? If anything, I should be getting MYSELF another .243 Winchester!!! He killed 5 deer with it this year!!! It ain't mine no more!!!!

Jayhawker

No help here....IMHO the .45-70 version is a far better choice than the .450 Marlin version. Even with the ported barrel it's one of the most unpleasant guns I have ever fired...all due I am sure to the overall ergonomics of the package. The .45-70 on the other hand (and based on my experience with my 1895) is very manageable. In the end...you need one if only to post a video of you whacking a piggy with a 405 grain hard cast lrnfp. Dooo it.....

Elk creek

Zee wrote: »

Dude, no matter how much I plan and scheme, the boy is gonna get my .243 Medium he has been using this year. I know it. I've given myself to that reality. Therefore, why build another for him? If anything, I should be getting MYSELF another .243 Winchester!!! He killed 5 deer with it this year!!! It ain't mine no more!!!!

Just get your 45-70 levergun! You already lost one rifle Pick up and hold an 1886 Winchester before you pull the figurative trigger.

mitdr774

Someday I will have a big boy levergun. For now I just have a weak .44 Magnum levergun...

You should pick one up for feral pig ballistics testing as Jayhawker has suggested.

tennmike

You been around this crazy place long enough to know that 'need' is never the operative word. 'WANT!' is the operative word. You WANT one and should satisfy that craving post haste before it causes you to pull a double, and buy TWO lever actions! :roll2:

early

I like the 1885 Highwall and Springfield Trapdoor replicas better.

LMLarsen

Can't help you, hermano. I love my 1886 Extra Light, the original guide gun.

Zee

tennmike wrote: »

You been around this crazy place long enough to know that 'need' is never the operative word. 'WANT!' is the operative word. You WANT one and should satisfy that craving post haste before it causes you to pull a double, and buy TWO lever actions! :roll2:

But I WANT many guns. So, the order of acquisition is more appropriately asked. I "want" a .50 cal revolver. I "want" a .45-70 rifle.

Which do I "need" first?

Big Chief

Get it. I bought an 1895 Marlin 45-70 just because it was on clearance fer half price............I didn't "Need" it and have absolutely no practical use for it and spent most of what I saved on brass/bullets/powder and dies. I kinda wanted a 45-70 fer years, no particular reason besides they are just cool as all get out.

Zee

I know I "need/want" a .45-70 rifle.

Question is.........is the Guide Gun the one I should go with?

Fisheadgib

What's cool about the 45-70 is that it can be loaded from mild to wild depending on the rifle. The Marlin is just under the Ruger #1 and #3 on the level of loads that it can handle. I've pressed Springfield level loàds with a 350gr bullet at a little over 800fps up to a 405gr bullet at 2100fps which is knocking on 458win mag territory. (And it wasn't even a max load). That one was out of my 26" 1895.

CHIRO1989

Zee wrote: »

I know I "need/want" a .45-70 rifle.

Question is.........is the Guide Gun the one I should go with?

The Guide Gun is the one you want.

Fisheadgib

CHIRO1989 wrote: »

The Guide Gun is the one you want.

This if you plan on walking any distance with it. I bought my 1895CB first and I'll never sell it but my guide gun is easier to carry for a while and the extra 8" of barrel isn't really necessary unless you want to dabble with high energy loads. (I see where this is gonna go.)

Weatherby

Nope the platform you want is a Ruger #1

Teach

My Ruger #1 .45-70 with the octagon barrel and the express sights is a lot of fun to shoot, and with a pretty warm load it will sort of back you out from under your hat! I'm going to work up a powder puff load with cast bullets for plinking, and save the jacketed softpoints for stuff that "really needs killin"! I'm also thinking about letting a .45-90 reamer fall in there while I'm not looking! With the rimmed case, I should still be able to shoot the shorter rounds with mouse fart loads.
Jerry

Buford

Zee wrote: »

But I WANT many guns. So, the order of acquisition is more appropriately asked. I "want" a .50 cal revolver. I "want" a .45-70 rifle.

Which do I "need" first?

You need the .500 everyone should own a boarder line stupid revolver. I love mine.

Jayhawker

CHIRO1989 wrote: »

The Guide Gun is the one you want.

Unless you can find a 1895CB ..... However unlikely that might be...

AND...whatever you get..lose that dumb ass cross bolt safety....

Gene L

Not me. If you want a 45-70, go for a 1895 Marlin. My bud had a Guide Gun with the ported barrel, which he got rid of...it was a bad gun with tremendous blast with bad checkering. If you want a 45-70, I'd recommend the 1895. But I think it would be interesting to interrogate your reasons as to why such a thumper. I had a 1895 for a brief period of time, about 4 years, and while it was a great rifle, I being a non-thumper fan, didn't like it. I'm a recoil wimp.

But if you don't mind a lot of recoil you could do worse than the Guide Gun, I guess.

tennmike

Zee wrote: »

But I WANT many guns. So, the order of acquisition is more appropriately asked. I "want" a .50 cal revolver. I "want" a .45-70 rifle.

Which do I "need" first?

Do both and get yelled at once. WIN-WIN!!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao:

early

Some outfit in Alaska, Wildwest guns or something like that customise Marlins to 500 S&W. Matching Sixgun/ rifle etc., blah blah blah.

snake284

Zee wrote: »

I already have a 20" .458 Win Mag hand loaded with 500gr RNSP that make me want to cry and 300gr HPFP that are comfortable to shoot and screaming in velocity.

Do do I really "need" the Marlin?

Temptation is calling. Save me!!!

I would like to build a 45-70 on a P-14 action. It has a big bolt face already and it's a really strong action.

bullsi1911

Yes. You need to get one.

Bigslug

Well. . .my old man's disease has been passed down, and I'm going to try to kill a deer with a .45-70 this year before the lead bullet window closes here in Cali. The round is a lot of fun and can be VERY accurate - you just have to accept that without a lot of really careful rangefinding and sight doping, it's a 150-200 yard proposition. Nice thing about a Guide Gun is that's the kind of thing it's FOR - it has no illusions of Quigleyness

Also nice is that you don't HAVE to load them smokin' hot - we don't have BISON in our petunias today largely because of 1200 fps black powder cartridges. You can trade speed and pain for simple momentum. There's very little in the lower half of the lower 48 that formula won't solve.

I'm not a huge fan of the Guide simply because of the straight wrist stock. On something that has the potential to BOOM, I want a pistol grip type stock that I can properly pull back on as is on the standard 1895.

You can of course download a .458 and have better stock geometry for when you do amp it up

jbohio

You need a 45-70. Guide gun? Cowboy?
I'm not much help. I have both!

Uncle Fester

Zee wrote: »

I already have a 20" .458 Win Mag hand loaded with 500gr RNSP that make me want to cry and 300gr HPFP that are comfortable to shoot and screaming in velocity.

Do do I really "need" the Marlin?

Temptation is calling. Save me!!!

Yes. Hogkilling machines.

bisley

You have plenty of hogs to hunt. You have the stalking abilities to close within .45-70 range. You have to have meat, to feed your hungry children. So, if buying it does not prevent you from buying milk for the baby, you would be stupid, even derelict in your duty as a parent, to not buy one. The handguns are an indulgence, but a lever action rifle is a subsistence level necessity.

How's that?

Freezer

:win:

bisley wrote: »

You have plenty of hogs to hunt. You have the stalking abilities to close within .45-70 range. You have to have meat, to feed your hungry children. So, if buying it does not prevent you from buying milk for the baby, you would be stupid, even derelict in your duty as a parent, to not buy one. The handguns are an indulgence, but a lever action rifle is a subsistence level necessity.

How's that?

snake284

Bigslug wrote: »

Well. . .my old man's disease has been passed down, and I'm going to try to kill a deer with a .45-70 this year before the lead bullet window closes here in Cali. The round is a lot of fun and can be VERY accurate - you just have to accept that without a lot of really careful rangefinding and sight doping, it's a 150-200 yard proposition. Nice thing about a Guide Gun is that's the kind of thing it's FOR - it has no illusions of Quigleyness

Also nice is that you don't HAVE to load them smokin' hot - we don't have BISON in our petunias today largely because of 1200 fps black powder cartridges. You can trade speed and pain for simple momentum. There's very little in the lower half of the lower 48 that formula won't solve.

I'm not a huge fan of the Guide simply because of the straight wrist stock. On something that has the potential to BOOM, I want a pistol grip type stock that I can properly pull back on as is on the standard 1895.

You can of course download a .458 and have better stock geometry for when you do amp it up

Grip that dude like you love it. It will hold back the recoil of a .460 WBY. If you're gripping anything that hard your accuracy is going to suffer. Use both hands. Also, coming from one of the most prolific white tail and hog states I'm here to tell you most shots worth taking will be within 200 yards and most of that is within 100 or less, usually less. The .45-70 is as much a deer/hog gun as a .30-30 and you can't count on all the Chinamen's toes in asia the number of deer that thing has taken. It's a great deer/hog rifle. So take your .45-70 and Vamos por Los Venados!