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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I trust them. I just like scopes.

    As apparent in my 16" Rossi .45 Colt levergun.

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,366 Senior Member
    You need one of these for your new Marlin......http://www.peabodyrifle.com/sights.html
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    Elk creek wrote: »
    You need one of these for your new Marlin......http://www.peabodyrifle.com/sights.html

    I have a tang sight (and now front globe) on my .24" Rossi in .45 Colt.

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    So, I really want to use the 4x Weaver on the Marlin, if I get one.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,366 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I have a tang sight (and now front globe) on my .24" Rossi in .45 Colt.

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    So, I really want to use the 4x Weaver on the Marlin, if I get one.

    I get it. I have an old steel tube weaver marksman 4x waiting for its new Marlin......
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,053 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Yes. That's what the peep sighted .458 Win Mag is for.

    The Marlin would get a scope.

    The Marlin with a Leupold 1.5-5 is a sweet package. Probably as good at bad breath distance as most dangerous game combos, if not as exotic. One thing I learned due to a case of weird base geometry on my .416 Rigby was that the 1.75-6 has A LOT less elevation than the 1.5-5. Not that it's likely to be a big issue on a brush gun like this, but the extra clicks can be helpful with rainbow rounds. (the 1.75-6 is now on a .30-30)
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    Sidebar: how do you like those Rossis? Obviously you still have them, but I have a hankerin' for a .357 levergun and have seen reviews online that are all over the place, so as a result I have no good idea how they are these days.
    “A gun is a tool, no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.”

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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,569 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I want to scope the .45-70 if I get it.

    My .458 Win Mag is in a peep sighted Mauser action. So, I want the .45-70 to have a scope option. Therefore, not sure I'd go with the Cowboy model.

    Sound reasoning. Go with the guide gun then. Change the crappy recoil pad, and load it to your preferred recoil level. My .450 guide gun is pretty abusive at factory/max level reloads. Load it down to old school 45/70 levels, it's a kitty cat
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    I connected with a 300 yard steel target yesterday on the second shot with my Henry 45-70 lever with just the 1x scope on it.

    Yes, you should get the marlin. Scope it and have a blast
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    LMLarsen wrote: »
    Sidebar: how do you like those Rossis? Obviously you still have them, but I have a hankerin' for a .357 levergun and have seen reviews online that are all over the place, so as a result I have no good idea how they are these days.

    I love mine for what they are.
    Handy, accurate, and functional.

    While they hey may not have the fit/finish of a Winchester or earlier Marlin, they are nice for what I want. Besides, I think they look good as well.

    I too have heard mixed reviews regarding the .357 Mag flavor. Sort of the reason I've not gotten one either.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    The Marlin with a Leupold 1.5-5 is a sweet package. Probably as good at bad breath distance as most dangerous game combos, if not as exotic. One thing I learned due to a case of weird base geometry on my .416 Rigby was that the 1.75-6 has A LOT less elevation than the 1.5-5. Not that it's likely to be a big issue on a brush gun like this, but the extra clicks can be helpful with rainbow rounds. (the 1.75-6 is now on a .30-30)

    Well, I already have the 4x Weaver pistol scope. It needs a home. So, I need the Marlin.

    ;-)
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    I connected with a 300 yard steel target yesterday on the second shot with my Henry 45-70 lever with just the 1x scope on it.

    Nicely done!!!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,789 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Well, I already have the 4x Weaver pistol scope. It needs a home. So, I need the Marlin.

    ;-)

    Self enable complete.... And now you're making me start to think. And that's the last thing I should be doing right now.

    When chief got his Marlin CHEAP at Walmart, I checked every Walmart within 200 miles of here. No luck.

    I've got Winchesters in 30-30 and 357 mag and a Marlin Golden 39A. Always wanted something on the upper end to round out the levergun lineup. Only reason I never thought much about the 45-70 is because I always wanted one in 454 Casull. Still do. But those guys got a little pricey. I like the whole handgun/lever gun shared cartridge thing. Which is why 454 Casull bumps 45-70 aside for me.
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I love mine for what they are.
    Handy, accurate, and functional.

    While they hey may not have the fit/finish of a Winchester or earlier Marlin, they are nice for what I want. Besides, I think they look good as well.

    I too have heard mixed reviews regarding the .357 Mag flavor. Sort of the reason I've not gotten one either.

    Thanks! I'd love to get a Winchester (Miroku) 1892 in .357, but they're well over twice the price. But they're very well made and beeyootiful.

    We now return to our previously scheduled thread, already in progress.
    “A gun is a tool, no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.”

    NRA Endowment Member
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    Jay wrote: »
    Self enable complete.... And now you're making me start to think. And that's the last thing I should be doing right now.

    When chief got his Marlin CHEAP at Walmart, I checked every Walmart within 200 miles of here. No luck.

    I've got Winchesters in 30-30 and 357 mag and a Marlin Golden 39A. Always wanted something on the upper end to round out the levergun lineup. Only reason I never thought much about the 45-70 is because I always wanted one in 454 Casull. Still do. But those guys got a little pricey. I like the whole handgun/lever gun shared cartridge thing. Which is why 454 Casull bumps 45-70 aside for me.

    Then you need the guide gun and a Magnum Research BFR in .45-70
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Then you need the guide gun and a Magnum Research BFR in .45-70

    BOOM!

    That just happened.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,789 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Then you need the guide gun and a Magnum Research BFR in .45-70

    Ha! That gets beyond my budget real quick. :bang:

    Having been through the Smith Performance Center 460 mag and the Encore in 460, I'm done with that for now. The performance gains over the 454 don't overcome their tendency to beat the crap out of everything attached to them. For me, a stout 454 load does everything I need it to do.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    As to the original question, badly, horribly, you need one as desperately as CPJ needs pink bike shorts!








    When do we get to read the range report?
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    Changed my mind. Think this is the one I'm after.

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    Good call. No speed holes
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    Oops
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Changed my mind. Think this is the one I'm after.

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    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,303 Senior Member
    Pretty much.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,569 Senior Member
    Good looking gun. I love the full length magazine tube
  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 1,754 Senior Member
    I'm ashamed you have to ask:uhm:

    Of course you need one! C'mon! Wake up! Go get it and post some pics!
    "Kindness is the language the deaf can hear and the blind can see." Mark Twain
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,793 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Changed my mind. Think this is the one I'm after.

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    Sharp! So when does it show up?
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Again, Range report?
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,414 Senior Member
    Again, Range report?

    With Zee it would be more like a feral hog report.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    Meh. The Magnum Research? Hell yea! The Guide Gun? Nice gun but too easy. You need to work for it harder. You need a quest for a really cool one.

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    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,053 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Changed my mind. Think this is the one I'm after.

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    Yeeeeeeessssssssss. . .
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    The big loop is a great idea, but the full length magazine adds weight and not a lot of functionality. 4+1 is plenty in the 45-70. The 6+1 adds forward weight that is not really needed in my opinion. I do think it looks better. You still need a mount like XS System mount.

    I like this model the 1895SBL, other than the longer forward tube it has everything, and is stainless.

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    Here, on my Guide Gun, I added the XS Rail. It really needs a big loop lever to be complete.

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    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
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